ATF agents and a #Delaware state cop show up warrantless at a man's home demanding to see his firearms. #2A pic.twitter.com/NBGGrufeRD
— Frankie Stockes - Reporter (@stockes76) July 20, 2022
ATF shows up without a warrant, asks to see guns
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Last: 2 yr ago by CanyonAg77
Simple response to that.
"Go get a warrant, I'm calling my lawyer, and no I will not open the safe for you without my lawyer's say-so."
"Go get a warrant, I'm calling my lawyer, and no I will not open the safe for you without my lawyer's say-so."
WTF? If he did nothing wrong, why the hell are you there, dog killer?
"Hello officer, can I offer you a glass of get the **** off my porch?"
Jeez
"Ok, I'll be right back."
[never come back]
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definitely not an infringement, this is going to end badly for someone
I'm not interested in getting on the ATFs bad side so I wouldn't be rude with him. I'd probably try to engage the guy in a conversation about constitutional rights while politely declining his request.
The ATF should be disbanded. They serve no beneficial purpose.
"You did nothing wrong, absolutely zero...however I noticed you were stopped in Philly...."
Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
Tramp96 said:
"You did nothing wrong, absolutely zero...however I noticed you were stopped in Philly...."
Yeah that cop was being a dick and trying to intimidate. Nice guy was behind him. Enforcer in the yard for added effect.
Three letter gov agencies are no longer for the people but rather vs the people.
Prove me wrong.
Prove me wrong.
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Anything other than instant obedience and subservience will put you on their bad side. You have no legal obligation to be polite to people being @$$h0les under the cover of government authority.exp said:
I'm not interested in getting on the ATFs bad side so I wouldn't be rude with him. I'd probably try to engage the guy in a conversation about constitutional rights while politely declining his request.
If anything, you have a moral obligation to resist them.
It is crazy they show up in force armed with vest on to ask questions. There has to be more to this.
You see sir, it says right here that the constitution goes from amendment #3 to #5. We're not sure what you're referring to as the "4th amendment."
Now please, let us into the house so we can inspect your personal property.
Now please, let us into the house so we can inspect your personal property.
One more reason not to live in a blue state. Not that we are immune to it here, necessarily, but at least your odds are lower here.
Also, this is our future. Tyrannical alphabet agencies need to be burned to the ground, the ones like the ATF need to be disbanded and forgotten, and others need to be rebuilt.
Also, this is our future. Tyrannical alphabet agencies need to be burned to the ground, the ones like the ATF need to be disbanded and forgotten, and others need to be rebuilt.
The leftist counter will be "gun owners wanted us to more strongly pursue straw purchases," because they don't care about warrants or due process.
Edit: How many firearms did the guy supposedly have to buy to trigger this? Seems they initially wanted to see two, and noted he had two purchases, but then mentions if one buys more than three that is what triggers their report. Lots of inconsistencies in that agent's statements.
Edit: How many firearms did the guy supposedly have to buy to trigger this? Seems they initially wanted to see two, and noted he had two purchases, but then mentions if one buys more than three that is what triggers their report. Lots of inconsistencies in that agent's statements.
"On your way out do you think you can roll the garbage down the hill? Tomorrow is pick-up day."
Tony Soprano
Tony Soprano
Me: Do you have a warrant?
Officer: No.
Me: Please obtain one under 4th Amendment processes.
closes door
Officer: No.
Me: Please obtain one under 4th Amendment processes.
closes door
3 guys in street clothes with bulletproof vests? Knock on enough doors, they're going to encounter some bullets.
Buying more than 2 guns at once now gets you a visit from the Brownshirts?
Zero percent chance I'd open the door for these clowns.
Buying more than 2 guns at once now gets you a visit from the Brownshirts?
Zero percent chance I'd open the door for these clowns.
Yep. That stood out to me too.Tramp96 said:
"You did nothing wrong, absolutely zero...however I noticed you were stopped in Philly...."
Trying to make him uncomfortable so he'll comply.
FeDs DoN'T hAvE a LiSt oF aLL gUn OwNeRs
We have our own agencies led by the Central Committee, just like the USSR.
The agencies are weaponized under the Dems and they are filled mostly with liberal Marxists.
The agencies are weaponized under the Dems and they are filled mostly with liberal Marxists.
I think there's a rule that if you buy more than five firearms in 48 hours you could get a visit from ATF. this guy bought seven.
Not a fan of the ATF but it's understandable why he got visited.
Not a fan of the ATF but it's understandable why he got visited.
The purge needs to happen in earnest with desantis. He has the guts to do it too.
The other thing of note and has been upheld by SCOTUS-
The police can lie to you to obtain a confession or get you to comply with requests for evidence.
So if they say- show us the gun and that you have it and we will be gone they could very well be lying to you. You show them the gun voluntarily they can confiscate it, do whatever they want because you complied with the request. They don't even have to tell you that you have the right to refuse.
Never voluntarily talk to the police or comply with them when they want you to turn over anything that could be used as evidence unless they have a warrant/state their probable cause. And demand a lawyer immediately.
Do not submit to warrantless searches and demand a supervising officer be present if they want you to exit your car.
Also I am not a lawyer but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night. Do your own research.
As we found out multiple times during COVID- cops are not your friends and will follow orders even if they are bad and illegal.
The police can lie to you to obtain a confession or get you to comply with requests for evidence.
So if they say- show us the gun and that you have it and we will be gone they could very well be lying to you. You show them the gun voluntarily they can confiscate it, do whatever they want because you complied with the request. They don't even have to tell you that you have the right to refuse.
Never voluntarily talk to the police or comply with them when they want you to turn over anything that could be used as evidence unless they have a warrant/state their probable cause. And demand a lawyer immediately.
Do not submit to warrantless searches and demand a supervising officer be present if they want you to exit your car.
Also I am not a lawyer but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night. Do your own research.
As we found out multiple times during COVID- cops are not your friends and will follow orders even if they are bad and illegal.
He didn't say what would happen if he didn't have the guns…
So let me now play devil's advocate on this one...
They have paperwork showing I bought two guns. So they know I bought them, and they want to verify that I am actually the one in possession of them. If I refuse to show them in real life the guns they already know I bought based on the paperwork, they then red flag my ass and now I may have difficulty ever purchasing more.
Or, I show him the two guns, they match the paperwork, and they leave. Less chance of me being red-flagged in this scenario, isn't there?
The true violation of the 4th amendment here is the paperwork showing I bought the two guns**..but that's a different discussion for a different day.
I'm thinking I show them the guns, they know that I didn't buy them and then sell them to drug dealers or gangs, and that's that. But I don't show them the guns, then they are going to be watching my every move going forward when I try to buy guns again in the future.
Is my logic here not sound?
**ETA: the true violation of the 4th amendment here is that those officers are in possession of the paperwork showing I bought the guns. How did they get that paperwork?? Was there a warrant? THAT'S the question that really needs to be asked here.
They have paperwork showing I bought two guns. So they know I bought them, and they want to verify that I am actually the one in possession of them. If I refuse to show them in real life the guns they already know I bought based on the paperwork, they then red flag my ass and now I may have difficulty ever purchasing more.
Or, I show him the two guns, they match the paperwork, and they leave. Less chance of me being red-flagged in this scenario, isn't there?
The true violation of the 4th amendment here is the paperwork showing I bought the two guns**..but that's a different discussion for a different day.
I'm thinking I show them the guns, they know that I didn't buy them and then sell them to drug dealers or gangs, and that's that. But I don't show them the guns, then they are going to be watching my every move going forward when I try to buy guns again in the future.
Is my logic here not sound?
**ETA: the true violation of the 4th amendment here is that those officers are in possession of the paperwork showing I bought the guns. How did they get that paperwork?? Was there a warrant? THAT'S the question that really needs to be asked here.
Can you actually demand a supervising officer?
This is what would happen at my house because I never answer the door anyway. I only answer it if I know the person and if I know they are coming over.HarryJ33tamu said:
3 guys in street clothes with bulletproof vests? Knock on enough doors, they're going to encounter some bullets.
Buying more than 2 guns at once now gets you a visit from the Brownshirts?
Zero percent chance I'd open the door for these clowns.
This is us on our path to be like Australia
This is what the left dreams of
This is what the left dreams of
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