Marcus Brutus said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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Jbob04 said:

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Go back to the other thread. You will find your kind over there.

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I can post on both. Sorry to break up the echo chamber. Y'all were here thinking he was asking for it from the United States, when it's an estimate for reconstruction costs. They even say it should be seized Russian funds that pay it.

Need I remind you that the BLM/Antifa riots caused over $2 billion in damage, and that's without being a military with heavy weaponry.

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When he wants it is irrelevant. If he can get the cash from Russia, more power to him!

He can pay us back the $50+ bil

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We haven't yet given them $50+ bil. We have promised $50+ bil, especially in weaponry and supplies.

I sympathize with a more locally focused mindset. I don't think a Russian victory is in our interests nor the West's interests.

Ukraine and our **** government has now officially made me root for the Ruskies

Waffledynamics said:

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That is incorrect. He's saying the estimated cost of reconstruction is $750 billion. Do consider that Russia has leveled entire cities to rubble and has severely hit key infrastructure.

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/ukraine-estimates-cost-of-reconstruction-at-750-bn.html

Also, here's a key detail that's inconvenient to the OP:

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Now fellow patriotic Americans realize this:

to REBUILD AN ENTIRE COUNTRY SHATTERED BY WAR THAT IS THE SIZE OF FRANCE....

will cost less than ONE Joe Biden stimulus.

much less the Build Back Bankrupt boondoggle which would cost 9 times as much as it will to reconstruct a country demolished by thousands of missiles and bombs.

In fairness, it's not the whole country, but there definitely is a lot of damage. Entire cities will need to be razed and rebuilt because there is nothing in tact. Infrastructure like dams, water stations, industrial plants, power stations, and more have been hit.

Jbob04 said:

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Ukraine and our **** government has now officially made me root for the Ruskies

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The fact that we're giving money to a country that's been leveled by another country has you rooting for the country that's causing all the damage + is creating all the reconstruction costs? Do I have that right?

Eliminatus said:

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HumpitPuryear said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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That is incorrect. He's saying the estimated cost of reconstruction is $750 billion. Do consider that Russia has leveled entire cities to rubble and has severely hit key infrastructure.

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/ukraine-estimates-cost-of-reconstruction-at-750-bn.html

Also, here's a key detail that's inconvenient to the OP:

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"We believe that the key source of recovery should be the confiscated assets of Russia and Russian oligarchs," he said, stressing that "the Russian authorities unleashed this bloody war. They caused this massive destruction, and they should be held accountable for it".

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Sounds like Putin has 750 billion reasons to keep pounding away. Winners don't pay restitution.

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We do

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Good point. Smart winners don't pay restitution.

Tom Doniphon said:

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$750 Billion, huh?

Incredible.

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Indeed. Sounds like enough to bribe and empower a Russian General --- if you catch the solution meaning.

Waffledynamics said:

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That is incorrect. He's saying the estimated cost of reconstruction is $750 billion. Do consider that Russia has leveled entire cities to rubble and has severely hit key infrastructure.

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/ukraine-estimates-cost-of-reconstruction-at-750-bn.html

Also, here's a key detail that's inconvenient to the OP:

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"We believe that the key source of recovery should be the confiscated assets of Russia and Russian oligarchs," he said, stressing that "the Russian authorities unleashed this bloody war. They caused this massive destruction, and they should be held accountable for it".

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They're insured /BLM

Waffledynamics said:

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In fairness, it's not the whole country, but there definitely is a lot of damage. Entire cities will need to be razed and rebuilt because there is nothing in tact. Infrastructure like dams, water stations, industrial plants, power stations, and more have been hit.

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A lot of that will be Russia's problem, as they control the territories with the heavily-damaged cities. So what the hell would we be funding?

11th Hour said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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In fairness, it's not the whole country, but there definitely is a lot of damage. Entire cities will need to be razed and rebuilt because there is nothing in tact. Infrastructure like dams, water stations, industrial plants, power stations, and more have been hit.

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A lot of that will be Russia's problem, as they control the territories with the heavily-damaged cities. So what the hell would we be funding?

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Ukraine's aim is to not allow Russia to remain in control of those territories. In an ideal world, it will also be Russia's problem because the seized funds will help pay for it.

This is an estimate for reconstruction costs, not a request for $750 billion from the United States.

Waffledynamics said:

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That is incorrect. He's saying the estimated cost of reconstruction is $750 billion. Do consider that Russia has leveled entire cities to rubble and has severely hit key infrastructure.

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/ukraine-estimates-cost-of-reconstruction-at-750-bn.html

Also, here's a key detail that's inconvenient to the OP:

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"We believe that the key source of recovery should be the confiscated assets of Russia and Russian oligarchs," he said, stressing that "the Russian authorities unleashed this bloody war. They caused this massive destruction, and they should be held accountable for it".

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Fair enough but since when is the responsibility of the indebted us tax payers to help them? Let the EU do it w Russian reparations if they have the balls to collect them

AggieMD95 said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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That is incorrect. He's saying the estimated cost of reconstruction is $750 billion. Do consider that Russia has leveled entire cities to rubble and has severely hit key infrastructure.

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/ukraine-estimates-cost-of-reconstruction-at-750-bn.html

Also, here's a key detail that's inconvenient to the OP:

Quote:

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"We believe that the key source of recovery should be the confiscated assets of Russia and Russian oligarchs," he said, stressing that "the Russian authorities unleashed this bloody war. They caused this massive destruction, and they should be held accountable for it".

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Fair enough but since when is the responsibility of the indebted us tax payers to help them? Let the EU do it w Russian reparations if they have the balls to collect them

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That's what I'm saying, though. Russian reparations are definitely being considered and proposed.

Waffledynamics said:

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11th Hour said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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In fairness, it's not the whole country, but there definitely is a lot of damage. Entire cities will need to be razed and rebuilt because there is nothing in tact. Infrastructure like dams, water stations, industrial plants, power stations, and more have been hit.

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A lot of that will be Russia's problem, as they control the territories with the heavily-damaged cities. So what the hell would we be funding?

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Ukraine's aim is to not allow Russia to remain in control of those territories. In an ideal world, it will also be Russia's problem because the seized funds will help pay for it.

This is an estimate for reconstruction costs, not a request for $750 billion from the United States.

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Fair enough

Marcus Brutus said:

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Zelensky just said Ukraine is gonna need a cool $750 billion to keep his country running. 😂😂😂

— Jordan Schachtel @ dossier.substack.com (@JordanSchachtel) July 5, 2022

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Jordan Schachtel is an A -#1 Putin slurper.

Here he is advising Ukraine on February 24 to "take the deal". Give everything it wants.

Freedom is secondary to peace. Just like Ben Franklin didn't say. Glad he wasn't at Valley Forge, or Dunkirk, or San Jacinto.

Such a smug, wise isolationist.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1497227919088836612.html

zephyr88 said:

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It's not the people of the United States responsibility to re-build anyone's nation. It pissed me off when we bombed the **** out of Iraq, then turned around and spent billions rebuilding Iraq. This should not be our problem and anyone who thinks it should be is just plan wrong. Our tax money should be spent on Americans, period.

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Whether we should have or not have bombed the **** out of Iraq aside, you really think we shouldn't have any responsibility to help re-build after bombing the **** out of them?

You don't think Russia in some way should have responsibility for rebuilding Ukraine given that Russia chose to bomb the **** out of them?

Waffledynamics said:

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That is incorrect. He's saying the estimated cost of reconstruction is $750 billion. Do consider that Russia has leveled entire cities to rubble and has severely hit key infrastructure.

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/ukraine-estimates-cost-of-reconstruction-at-750-bn.html

Also, here's a key detail that's inconvenient to the OP:

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"We believe that the key source of recovery should be the confiscated assets of Russia and Russian oligarchs," he said, stressing that "the Russian authorities unleashed this bloody war. They caused this massive destruction, and they should be held accountable for it".

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Sounds like the Chicoms need to jump on in.

Response last week from a sitting Congressman:

We sent them plenty of money already. They need a billion/mo th to stay in the fight. The last package had about $19 billion for them and the rest was to replenish our depleted stocks. They can stay in the fight now for nearly two years. Other NATO nations need to step up as well. Providing any further $$$ for the next roughly 2 yrs is just wasteful political theater. I want them to win and I want Putin to lose but it needs to be done responsibly

TXAggie2011 said:

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zephyr88 said:

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It's not the people of the United States responsibility to re-build anyone's nation. It pissed me off when we bombed the **** out of Iraq, then turned around and spent billions rebuilding Iraq. This should not be our problem and anyone who thinks it should be is just plan wrong. Our tax money should be spent on Americans, period.

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Whether we should have or not have bombed the **** out of Iraq aside, you really think we shouldn't have any responsibility to help re-build after bombing the **** out of them?

You don't think Russia in some way should have responsibility for rebuilding Ukraine given that Russia chose to bomb the **** out of them?

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Only if claiming to be "good guys" or "on the right side". We were then. And in a way, Russia is also -- so yes, they should help rebuild it when the time comes.

I have been curiously wondering how much money from other nations have gone to support Ukraine here is what I found:

NATO has given 1.3 billion and Canada has given 340 million that is it.

LegalDrugPusher said:

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I have been curiously wondering how much money from other nations have gone to support Ukraine here is what I found:

NATO has given 1.3 billion and Canada has given 340 million that is it.

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I wonder how many defense contractors are tweaking their products after in the field feedback?

titan said:

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TXAggie2011 said:

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zephyr88 said:

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It's not the people of the United States responsibility to re-build anyone's nation. It pissed me off when we bombed the **** out of Iraq, then turned around and spent billions rebuilding Iraq. This should not be our problem and anyone who thinks it should be is just plan wrong. Our tax money should be spent on Americans, period.

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Whether we should have or not have bombed the **** out of Iraq aside, you really think we shouldn't have any responsibility to help re-build after bombing the **** out of them?

You don't think Russia in some way should have responsibility for rebuilding Ukraine given that Russia chose to bomb the **** out of them?

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Only if claiming to be "good guys" or "on the right side". We were then. And in a way, Russia is also -- so yes, they should help rebuild it when the time comes.

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They literally call for erasure of the Ukrainian identity and are invaders seeking to take Ukraine's land and people for themselves. Their state media openly talks about their plans to also invade other countries. How are they the good guys?

Didn't Biden just give twice that much to the failed pension funds this morning.

Waffledynamics said:

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titan said:

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TXAggie2011 said:

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zephyr88 said:

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It's not the people of the United States responsibility to re-build anyone's nation. It pissed me off when we bombed the **** out of Iraq, then turned around and spent billions rebuilding Iraq. This should not be our problem and anyone who thinks it should be is just plan wrong. Our tax money should be spent on Americans, period.

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Whether we should have or not have bombed the **** out of Iraq aside, you really think we shouldn't have any responsibility to help re-build after bombing the **** out of them?

You don't think Russia in some way should have responsibility for rebuilding Ukraine given that Russia chose to bomb the **** out of them?

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Only if claiming to be "good guys" or "on the right side". We were then. And in a way, Russia is also -- so yes, they should help rebuild it when the time comes.

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They literally call for erasure of the Ukrainian identity and are invaders seeking to take Ukraine's land and people for themselves. Their state media openly talks about their plans to also invade other countries. How are they the good guys?

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Read the full sentence. "Only if CLAIMING..." - Russia is in their rhetoric. Given that, they are on the hook for a rebuild. Not for a second saying it will happen -- -but their rhetoric puts them in that position. They think the action is correct. (Not all Russia do, alot hate it - no question --but we are talking policy makers there).

Psycho Bunny said:

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Go away commie

Waffledynamics said:

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That is incorrect. He's saying the estimated cost of reconstruction is $750 billion. Do consider that Russia has leveled entire cities to rubble and has severely hit key infrastructure.

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/ukraine-estimates-cost-of-reconstruction-at-750-bn.html

Also, here's a key detail that's inconvenient to the OP:

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"We believe that the key source of recovery should be the confiscated assets of Russia and Russian oligarchs," he said, stressing that "the Russian authorities unleashed this bloody war. They caused this massive destruction, and they should be held accountable for it".

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Don't care, enough has already been stolen from the middle class. F Ukraine and F Russia.

I can respect the viewpoint that we shouldn't be involved even if I disagree with it, but to actively root for Russia? Seriously?

Waffledynamics said:

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In fairness, it's not the whole country, but there definitely is a lot of damage. Entire cities will need to be razed and rebuilt because there is nothing in tact. Infrastructure like dams, water stations, industrial plants, power stations, and more have been hit.

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And why is this our problem?

I would feel a little better if our useless government would spend $5B on a wall for our Southern border and send ONLY $745B to Ukraine. Is that asking too much?

Oh and maybe a few million to upgrade Terminal A at Reagan National. It literally hasn't changed since I went to see the July 4 fireworks on the National Mall in 1978. There's probably a few other infrastructure upgrades for us that I would put ahead of building a beautiful modern Ukraine. Yes, I'm a bad selfish person.

LegalDrugPusher said:

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I have been curiously wondering how much money from other nations have gone to support Ukraine here is what I found:

NATO has given 1.3 billion and Canada has given 340 million that is it.

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Lololol. Oh man.

TAMU1990 said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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In fairness, it's not the whole country, but there definitely is a lot of damage. Entire cities will need to be razed and rebuilt because there is nothing in tact. Infrastructure like dams, water stations, industrial plants, power stations, and more have been hit.

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And why is this our problem?

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Can you read? We're not sending $740billion to Ukraine. The number is an estimate for post-war rebuilding costs.

How do so many smart, educated people not see that a geopolitical rival pillaging and raping its neighbors and taking whatever resources it wants is a bad thing for us? This should be wildly evident as the world devolves into spheres of influence between East and West.

Some of you can even see that allowing China to take Taiwan would be disastrous, and yet you can't (read: won't) see it with Russia taking Ukraine.

Russia's gonna own the whole place in a few months/6 months anyway, so whatever. Hopefully even Brandon won't just fork over a cool trillion to putin to rebuild their new Ukraine state.

nortex97 said:

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Russia's gonna own the whole place in a few months/6 months anyway, so whatever. Hopefully even Brandon won't just fork over a cool trillion to putin to rebuild their new Ukraine state.

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Keep pushing that timeline farther and farther out. It was supposed to be days, then weeks, then a month, and now we're going on 5 months with pitiful Russian performance.

The Marshall Plan cost us about $13,000,000,000 in 1948, which is roughly $158,000,000,000 in today's currency. Zelensky is asking very nearly 5x that amount. At this point I'm completely riding with Putin and I hope Russia dominates every last square inch of Ukraine.

Waffledynamics said:

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I can respect the viewpoint that we shouldn't be involved even if I disagree with it, but to actively root for Russia? Seriously?

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At least people here are FINALLY being open about it. These pillars of conservatism are ecstatic at the thought of personal homes being invaded, young, elderly, and otherwise defenseless people being killed every single day, and the spread of communism through firepower and terror.

I just might be a throwback where conservatives believed in better dead than red and protection of home and hearth from literal unprovoked violent invasion. It has been an interesting shift in the party over the last few years.