Hopefully Affirmative Action is next

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About time to overrule that
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Affirmative Action is the only true institutional racism in the country
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Is there a case in the system now?
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TxTarpon said:

Is there a case in the system now?
The Harvard case.
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So no more AA, HUBs, 8a's, etc?
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twk said:

TxTarpon said:

Is there a case in the system now?
The Harvard case.
And that presents a very clear case of conflict of interest for Brown Jackson. She was on the Governing Board at Harvard during the time at issue in this case. Practically a fact witness.

Will she recuse?
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It's on the docket for next term

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Good Poster said:

Affirmative Action is the only true institutional racism in the country


It's literal racism as policy. However, it's now bolstered with DEI and ESG. They can strike it down but it won't go away.
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YouBet said:

Good Poster said:

Affirmative Action is the only true institutional racism in the country


It's literal racism as policy. However, it's now bolstered with DEI and ESG. They can strike it down but it won't go away.
It's institutionalized racial prejudice, not racism. It is impossible for a minority to be a racist in any society unless they hold the reigns of power.
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YouBet said:

Good Poster said:

Affirmative Action is the only true institutional racism in the country


It's literal racism as policy. However, it's now bolstered with DEI and ESG. They can strike it down but it won't go away.
Yep, it's effectively woven into the cultural fabric and so even if made illegal for any explicit hiring quotas or related nonsense, it will not stop hiring managers from acting woke and selecting WHO they want to hire anyway.

In other words, the cultural damage has been done- probably tough to unwind it in any short to medium timeframe.
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Will be interesting to see if/when it's struck down, how the racial makeup at top colleges changes.
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Neehau said:

YouBet said:

Good Poster said:

Affirmative Action is the only true institutional racism in the country


It's literal racism as policy. However, it's now bolstered with DEI and ESG. They can strike it down but it won't go away.
It's institutionalized racial prejudice, not racism. It is impossible for a minority to be a racist in any society unless they hold the reigns of power.


I guess that is why blacks attacking Asians is called white supremacy?

Totally logical.
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Neehau said:

YouBet said:

Good Poster said:

Affirmative Action is the only true institutional racism in the country


It's literal racism as policy. However, it's now bolstered with DEI and ESG. They can strike it down but it won't go away.
It's institutionalized racial prejudice, not racism. It is impossible for a minority to be a racist in any society unless they hold the reigns of power.


Just shut up. Nobody's falling for that bs anymore.
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Yep, it's effectively woven into the cultural fabric and so even if made illegal for any explicit hiring quotas or related nonsense, it will not stop hiring managers from acting woke and selecting WHO they want to hire anyway.
Remember how the Hopwood decision stopped Texas colleges from considering race in admissions? They just found other ways. And we eventually got the 10% rule.
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Texasaggie32 said:

Will be interesting to see if/when it's struck down, how the racial makeup at top colleges changes.
Won't change much, initially. Takes awhile to get administrators and admissions officer's heads in that space.
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Main thing that needs to be overturned is the 14th amendment, that is the only way to stop majority of illegal immigration. They come for the government checks and food stamps, they get those by having babies

A tourist could come here a week before she is due, have the baby, which would be an American citizen, then somehow "probably" get a government check sent to her original country. Our country is probably that stupid
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Neehau said:

YouBet said:

Good Poster said:

Affirmative Action is the only true institutional racism in the country


It's literal racism as policy. However, it's now bolstered with DEI and ESG. They can strike it down but it won't go away.
It's institutionalized racial prejudice, not racism. It is impossible for a minority to be a racist in any society unless they hold the reigns of power.


Please give your definition of racism.
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Neehau said:

YouBet said:

Good Poster said:

Affirmative Action is the only true institutional racism in the country


It's literal racism as policy. However, it's now bolstered with DEI and ESG. They can strike it down but it won't go away.
It's institutionalized racial prejudice, not racism. It is impossible for a minority to be a racist in any society unless they hold the reigns of power.
Probably one of the most idiotic social science theories ever stated. It makes zero sense and it is simply a different way to justify racism. It also can't stand up to any objective scrutiny. BTW, the strongest detractors of the policy are minorities that don't want to be seen as successful only because of their race, it infuriates them and it is insulting.
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2023NCAggies said:

Main thing that needs to be overturned is the 14th amendment, that is the only way to stop majority of illegal immigration. They come for the government checks and food stamps, they get those by having babies

A tourist could come here a week before she is due, have the baby, which would be an American citizen, then somehow "probably" get a government check sent to her original country. Our country is probably that stupid
Just need to have a judgement against birthright citizenship, not a repeal of the 14th.
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aggie93 said:

2023NCAggies said:

Main thing that needs to be overturned is the 14th amendment, that is the only way to stop majority of illegal immigration. They come for the government checks and food stamps, they get those by having babies

A tourist could come here a week before she is due, have the baby, which would be an American citizen, then somehow "probably" get a government check sent to her original country. Our country is probably that stupid
Just need to have a judgement against birthright citizenship, not a repeal of the 14th.
Thanks. Someone should push for it. I know Trump mentioned it but nothing came from it

This is common sense, and doable. Yet nothing gets done
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Racism is concept that is a theory in power structures and can only occur in the context of a power structure. It is a structuralist idea. It is now impossible to be a racist in South Africa as an Afrikaner as the power structure has firmly shifted to negro South Africans. It IS possible to have racial prejudice which is a potential tenet of racism but not a requirement. The converse is true here in The United States. The critical thinking framework doesn't apply to racism exclusively; it applies to sexism and a host of other "isms" as well.
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aggie93 said:

Neehau said:

YouBet said:

Good Poster said:

Affirmative Action is the only true institutional racism in the country


It's literal racism as policy. However, it's now bolstered with DEI and ESG. They can strike it down but it won't go away.
It's institutionalized racial prejudice, not racism. It is impossible for a minority to be a racist in any society unless they hold the reigns of power.
Probably one of the most idiotic social science theories ever stated. It makes zero sense and it is simply a different way to justify racism. It also can't stand up to any objective scrutiny. BTW, the strongest detractors of the policy are minorities that don't want to be seen as successful only because of their race, it infuriates them and it is insulting.


It is worth having a semantic debate about it. Uneducated people on both sides of the political scale hijacking it to mean something it doesn't. Social scientists pseudo invented the term to appropriately discuss it in the context of power structures. One of the main reasons is to separate institutional oppression from individual scorn. They aren't necessarily mutually exclusive and sometimes folks can harbor racial prejudice without participating or even being aware they are participating in institutional racism. It isn't a vox populi concept organically but it can be (ie nazi Germany/apartheid South Africa).
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Neehau said:

Racism is concept that is a theory in power structures and can only occur in the context of a power structure. It is a structuralist idea. It is now impossible to be a racist in South Africa as an Afrikaner as the power structure has firmly shifted to negro South Africans. It IS possible to have racial prejudice which is a potential tenet of racism but not a requirement. The converse is true here.
The Dictionary definition disagrees with your sociology prof:

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racist
noun
plural racists
Definition of racist (Entry 2 of 2)
: a person who is racist : someone who holds the belief that race (see race entry 1 sense 1a) is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
If you look at people and judge them based on their race and see one race as having better or worse traits than another race that is racism. BTW virtually every person has some level of racism because it is in our human nature to pre judge people to an extent as a part of our natural self defense instinct.
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2023NCAggies said:

Main thing that needs to be overturned is the 14th amendment, that is the only way to stop majority of illegal immigration. They come for the government checks and food stamps, they get those by having babies

A tourist could come here a week before she is due, have the baby, which would be an American citizen, then somehow "probably" get a government check sent to her original country. Our country is probably that stupid


The 14th Amendment is the most important Amendment.
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Neehau said:

Racism is concept that is a theory in power structures and can only occur in the context of a power structure. It is a structuralist idea. It is now impossible to be a racist in South Africa as an Afrikaner as the power structure has firmly shifted to negro South Africans. It IS possible to have racial prejudice which is a potential tenet of racism but not a requirement. The converse is true here.


This is an imagination ...created whole cloth by post modern thinking.

Racism is a logical fallacy. It is not a power structure. Nor is racism contextual.
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aggie93 said:

Neehau said:

Racism is concept that is a theory in power structures and can only occur in the context of a power structure. It is a structuralist idea. It is now impossible to be a racist in South Africa as an Afrikaner as the power structure has firmly shifted to negro South Africans. It IS possible to have racial prejudice which is a potential tenet of racism but not a requirement. The converse is true here.
The Dictionary definition disagrees with your sociology prof:

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racist
noun
plural racists
Definition of racist (Entry 2 of 2)
: a person who is racist : someone who holds the belief that race (see race entry 1 sense 1a) is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
If you look at people and judge them based on their race and see one race as having better or worse traits than another race that is racism. BTW virtually every person has some level of racism because it is in our human nature to pre judge people to an extent as a part of our natural self defense instinct.


It's a very Plebeian definition of a much deeper concept.
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Neehau said:

YouBet said:

Good Poster said:

Affirmative Action is the only true institutional racism in the country


It's literal racism as policy. However, it's now bolstered with DEI and ESG. They can strike it down but it won't go away.
It's institutionalized racial prejudice, not racism. It is impossible for a minority to be a racist in any society unless they hold the reigns of power.


Brainwashed take
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beerad12man said:

Neehau said:

YouBet said:

Good Poster said:

Affirmative Action is the only true institutional racism in the country


It's literal racism as policy. However, it's now bolstered with DEI and ESG. They can strike it down but it won't go away.
It's institutionalized racial prejudice, not racism. It is impossible for a minority to be a racist in any society unless they hold the reigns of power.


Brainwashed take


Like he is reading out of a text book
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Neehau said:

aggie93 said:

Neehau said:

Racism is concept that is a theory in power structures and can only occur in the context of a power structure. It is a structuralist idea. It is now impossible to be a racist in South Africa as an Afrikaner as the power structure has firmly shifted to negro South Africans. It IS possible to have racial prejudice which is a potential tenet of racism but not a requirement. The converse is true here.
The Dictionary definition disagrees with your sociology prof:

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racist
noun
plural racists
Definition of racist (Entry 2 of 2)
: a person who is racist : someone who holds the belief that race (see race entry 1 sense 1a) is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
If you look at people and judge them based on their race and see one race as having better or worse traits than another race that is racism. BTW virtually every person has some level of racism because it is in our human nature to pre judge people to an extent as a part of our natural self defense instinct.


It's a very Plebeian definition of a much deeper concept.
You should read some Thomas Sowell. Start with "Preferential Policies".

Trying to twist a simple concept to make it complex to justify it to mean something completely different is crap no matter how many PhD's you get awarded by fellow liberals. It isn't logical and it makes no sense.

In the end you are trying to come up with an arbitrary line of a "power structure" to justify what you consider "racism" but in the end it is subjective and counterproductive if eliminating racism is the goal.
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aggie93 said:

Neehau said:

aggie93 said:

Neehau said:

Racism is concept that is a theory in power structures and can only occur in the context of a power structure. It is a structuralist idea. It is now impossible to be a racist in South Africa as an Afrikaner as the power structure has firmly shifted to negro South Africans. It IS possible to have racial prejudice which is a potential tenet of racism but not a requirement. The converse is true here.
The Dictionary definition disagrees with your sociology prof:

Quote:

racist
noun
plural racists
Definition of racist (Entry 2 of 2)
: a person who is racist : someone who holds the belief that race (see race entry 1 sense 1a) is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
If you look at people and judge them based on their race and see one race as having better or worse traits than another race that is racism. BTW virtually every person has some level of racism because it is in our human nature to pre judge people to an extent as a part of our natural self defense instinct.


It's a very Plebeian definition of a much deeper concept.
You should read some Thomas Sowell. Start with "Preferential Policies".

Trying to twist a simple concept to make it complex to justify it to mean something completely different is crap no matter how many PhD's you get awarded by fellow liberals. It isn't logical and it makes no sense.

In the end you are trying to come up with an arbitrary line of a "power structure" to justify what you consider "racism" but in the end it is subjective and counterproductive if eliminating racism is the goal.


Feel free to pick a different word to describe what I am telling you; the idea is the same and it holds deep meaning. Michel Foucault and others first came up with this framework to dis use institutional power structures and it wasn't formed to fit racism; racism and how it manifests fit into the framework naturally.
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Good Poster said:

Affirmative Action is the only true institutional racism in the country


Indeed. Apartheid in South Africa only lasted 46 years.
We are 61 years in from JFK's first initiative on affirmative action.
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Neehau said:

aggie93 said:

Neehau said:

aggie93 said:

Neehau said:

Racism is concept that is a theory in power structures and can only occur in the context of a power structure. It is a structuralist idea. It is now impossible to be a racist in South Africa as an Afrikaner as the power structure has firmly shifted to negro South Africans. It IS possible to have racial prejudice which is a potential tenet of racism but not a requirement. The converse is true here.
The Dictionary definition disagrees with your sociology prof:

Quote:

racist
noun
plural racists
Definition of racist (Entry 2 of 2)
: a person who is racist : someone who holds the belief that race (see race entry 1 sense 1a) is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
If you look at people and judge them based on their race and see one race as having better or worse traits than another race that is racism. BTW virtually every person has some level of racism because it is in our human nature to pre judge people to an extent as a part of our natural self defense instinct.


It's a very Plebeian definition of a much deeper concept.
You should read some Thomas Sowell. Start with "Preferential Policies".

Trying to twist a simple concept to make it complex to justify it to mean something completely different is crap no matter how many PhD's you get awarded by fellow liberals. It isn't logical and it makes no sense.

In the end you are trying to come up with an arbitrary line of a "power structure" to justify what you consider "racism" but in the end it is subjective and counterproductive if eliminating racism is the goal.


Feel free to pick a different word to describe what I am telling you; the idea is the same and it holds deep meaning. Michel Foucault and others first came up with this framework to dis use institutional power structures and it wasn't formed to fit racism; racism and how it manifests fit into the framework naturally.


Continue driveling beside the argument. You sound so smart.
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Neehau said:

aggie93 said:

Neehau said:

aggie93 said:

Neehau said:

Racism is concept that is a theory in power structures and can only occur in the context of a power structure. It is a structuralist idea. It is now impossible to be a racist in South Africa as an Afrikaner as the power structure has firmly shifted to negro South Africans. It IS possible to have racial prejudice which is a potential tenet of racism but not a requirement. The converse is true here.
The Dictionary definition disagrees with your sociology prof:

Quote:

racist
noun
plural racists
Definition of racist (Entry 2 of 2)
: a person who is racist : someone who holds the belief that race (see race entry 1 sense 1a) is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
If you look at people and judge them based on their race and see one race as having better or worse traits than another race that is racism. BTW virtually every person has some level of racism because it is in our human nature to pre judge people to an extent as a part of our natural self defense instinct.


It's a very Plebeian definition of a much deeper concept.
You should read some Thomas Sowell. Start with "Preferential Policies".

Trying to twist a simple concept to make it complex to justify it to mean something completely different is crap no matter how many PhD's you get awarded by fellow liberals. It isn't logical and it makes no sense.

In the end you are trying to come up with an arbitrary line of a "power structure" to justify what you consider "racism" but in the end it is subjective and counterproductive if eliminating racism is the goal.


Feel free to pick a different word to describe what I am telling you; the idea is the same and it holds deep meaning. Michel Foucault and others first came up with this framework to dis use institutional power structures and it wasn't formed to fit racism; racism and how it manifests fit into the framework naturally.



Like all post modernists Foucault confuses competence with power and such mistakes permeate all his thinking , which in turn makes it mental garbage.

Same with Marcuse ,Horkheimer etc
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I see what you did there.

Neehau said:

YouBet said:

Good Poster said:

Affirmative Action is the only true institutional racism in the country


It's literal racism as policy. However, it's now bolstered with DEI and ESG. They can strike it down but it won't go away.
It's institutionalized racial prejudice, not racism. It is impossible for a minority to be a racist in any society unless they hold the reigns of power.
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