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The issue I have with that statement is not the word abnormal, but choice. For example, I have a nephew, that when he was around 4-5, everyone could tell that he might be gay. He's still quite young, so hasn't come out yet, but we will not be shocked one bit if he comes out as gay. And there's a lot of people that are conservative church going people that have gay children (this case included). You can't tell me it's a choice in all cases.

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I figured I'd bring this up for thought, since I don't hear many people actually get deep enough on this issue to have a conversation. I think Ben Shapiro has at least touched on it in some of the interviews I've seen with him (I think one of his Rogan one's specifically).

One of the big issues is the cultural definition of gay / homosexual. When people are shouting at each other you don't get much beyond the words themselves. It's obvious that some people are born with certain tendencies (not just sexual ones either). I don't think anyone who naturally feels attraction to someone of the same gender is committing any kind of sin, that's just how they feel. The sin would be when someone commits the act of having sex with someone of the same gender. That is where the choice part comes in. Having sex before marriage is also a sin(another choice). That should not be supported either. Any actual Christian should be able to say that gay sex is wrong and premarital sex is wrong. That doesn't mean you hate or condemn anybody. That's just one of a multitude of sins that we are capable of committing. We should do our best to help each other not sin (hate the sin, love the sinner). Also, that's not judgement. It's calling out right and wrong. I am not going to actually judge anybody. I have my own sins I wish to be forgiven for, and I hope people would help me to not be sinful (whether they hurt my feelings or not).

So, our culture needs to get on the same page with the definition first. Is a gay person someone who is attracted to people of the same gender, or someone who is having sex with people of the same gender? Their is a difference. People also need to be able understand that not everyone will agree with what they choose to do, and no one should feel pressured to support acts that go against their religious beliefs. I think if we could at least come to this understanding, this would not be near the issue that it is right now.

Also, some people just like to have villain's to take their anger out on. Even if you try to have nuanced discussion there will always be people that just want to shout bigot (social media doesn't help) if you don't outright agree with them.

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My 1st ever GOP Convention! Over 7,000 delegates and guest ascended on Houston bringing $$$ millions to the economy.
Texas GOP is the largest convention in the states of both parties including the national conventions.

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And no gays! Really went out of their way this weekend re: the log cabin republicans and new written platforms.

I don't want to see a single Republican poster tell me GOP is totally great for gay people ever again on here.

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-gop-convention-sparks-intraparty-feud-treatment-gay-republicans-1717159?amp=1

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Good lawd, do you have anything to offer threads without proclaiming your gay? Most conservatives DGAF, just imagine how much you'll learn when you realize that.

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They don't? Texas GOP platform says otherwise. Imagine how much you'll learn when you realize your party is blowing it again on so many issues which are losers if priorities most voters actually care about are economy, national security, etc.

My post is 100% on topic for a disaster of a convention. Being gay is a problem for Texas Republicans which makes my post relevant, if not then why make a platform about it and block log cabin republicans? This wasn't a platform about grooming of children, it's about gay people overall.

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The convention was far from a disaster. Should they have had anti-gar planks? No. I voted against them. We need to focus on getting our cou try back. But there is a LOT of great stuff in there that will still make everyone's, including gays lives better.

Don't be a single issue voter. There is so much more going on.

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One can ignore all the anti-LGBT stuff in the GOP platform, and the entire platform is still as extreme and BSC as can be. Taking an official stance that Biden wasn't legitimately elected, calling for Texas secession, treating a fertilized egg as a fully formed human.

There are some positions that are innocuous and reasonable, like repeal of blue laws and term limits. But there is no denying that the platform as a whole is as far right and extreme as it gets. If you're ok with that, then fine.

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I agree and have referenced this in my earlier posts, there was plenty of negative press about the meeting.

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Killing babies, supporting any sodomy at all in our society, grooming children, confiscatory taxation, stripping the right to own guns from the populace, and calling for an end of free speech is EXTREME .... but neither of you two would say that.......

The more extreme the left gets, the more extreme reaction you will get from the right populist. Face it -- you are going to LOSE. We are fighting for our families, our faith, and our Constitution. We will win. No matter the costs and no matter how much it offends you.

Move to California if you don't like it.

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For sure in 2022/2024 things don't look good for Dems.

I suspect as time passes this nagging issue in Republican Party will take care of itself as demographics change, but in the meantime things will be uncomfortable.

I'm not moving to California, you move to Alabama or some red state haven. Texas isn't nearly as Republican as you think and shenanigans like this weekend will bring that to light much faster.

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Rs are set for a big wave in 2022, no denying that. When we're dealing with high gas prices and inflation, people blame the party in power. Also the historical trend of the party in power losing in the first midterms.

Over time the GOP will continue to shrink. The party isn't just a Trump cult. It's a group of people that becomes more and more extreme and hateful with each passing day. If you aren't as far right as the mainstream on any issue, you're an America-hating communist. Zero room for disagreement. At this point the group is a bunch of small-minded people angry that their ideology is dying off. There's a reason younger voters identify less and less with the party. Because the party now just caters to the old, ultra-traditional, ultra-religious, and most extremist members.

This is all so far beyond mere economic and fiscal issues at this point. Most normal conservatives don't care so much about homosexuality. Most Texans don't want to secede. Most conservatives want to move on from past elections. This is extreme stuff and should be treated as such.

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It's a reactionary party now that you all created when the DNC began catering to the cultural Marxists. Always remember that you made us what we are.

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No "we" did not. No one made the GOP what it is other than themselves. That talk is like an abusive parent telling their kids that they "earned" this punishment. And I concede the Democrats have gone off the rails, albeit in a different manner.

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As for younger voters, they will change when they get older and have kids. It always happens.

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Not true. Society changes over time. Things that were considered unacceptable 50-100 years ago are commonplace now. The GOP is the most extreme it's been in my lifetime, and every passing day it alienates more and more people. Figures that were once loved (or merely liked) by the party are now unwelcome. Dan Crenshaw got harassed at the convention, even though he voted with Trump something like 90% of the time. John Cornyn got booed. The party is shrinking and catering to the most extreme members.

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If they don't have families or kids then they really aren't particularly important anyway.

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Who are you to say if someone's important or not? Whether or not someone has kids doesnt determine their worth.

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The issue I have with that statement is not the word abnormal, but choice. For example, I have a nephew, that when he was around 4-5, everyone could tell that he might be gay. He's still quite young, so hasn't come out yet, but we will not be shocked one bit if he comes out as gay. And there's a lot of people that are conservative church going people that have gay children (this case included). You can't tell me it's a choice in all cases.

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I figured I'd bring this up for thought, since I don't hear many people actually get deep enough on this issue to have a conversation. I think Ben Shapiro has at least touched on it in some of the interviews I've seen with him (I think one of his Rogan one's specifically).

One of the big issues is the cultural definition of gay / homosexual. When people are shouting at each other you don't get much beyond the words themselves. It's obvious that some people are born with certain tendencies (not just sexual ones either). I don't think anyone who naturally feels attraction to someone of the same gender is committing any kind of sin, that's just how they feel. The sin would be when someone commits the act of having sex with someone of the same gender. That is where the choice part comes in. Having sex before marriage is also a sin(another choice). That should not be supported either. Any actual Christian should be able to say that gay sex is wrong and premarital sex is wrong. That doesn't mean you hate or condemn anybody. That's just one of a multitude of sins that we are capable of committing. We should do our best to help each other not sin (hate the sin, love the sinner). Also, that's not judgement. It's calling out right and wrong. I am not going to actually judge anybody. I have my own sins I wish to be forgiven for, and I hope people would help me to not be sinful (whether they hurt my feelings or not).

So, our culture needs to get on the same page with the definition first. Is a gay person someone who is attracted to people of the same gender, or someone who is having sex with people of the same gender? Their is a difference. People also need to be able understand that not everyone will agree with what they choose to do, and no one should feel pressured to support acts that go against their religious beliefs. I think if we could at least come to this understanding, this would not be near the issue that it is right now.

Also, some people just like to have villain's to take their anger out on. Even if you try to have nuanced discussion there will always be people that just want to shout bigot (social media doesn't help) if you don't outright agree with them.

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Wow Ben Shapiro is so smart. He thinks it's ok if we're just celibate. Great plan.

On a humorous note, Ben has a gay cousin. He is the leader for Gen Z for Change.

I think it's ridiculous to go after LGBT like this, particularly when the momentum on the T part has been shifting in the right's favor. Fissures have been appearing in that votong bloc. You want to squander all political capital? Push too hard too fast.

The GOP has to be the party of liberty and sanity to win. It cannot go psychotic on losing issues.

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The issue I have with that statement is not the word abnormal, but choice. For example, I have a nephew, that when he was around 4-5, everyone could tell that he might be gay. He's still quite young, so hasn't come out yet, but we will not be shocked one bit if he comes out as gay. And there's a lot of people that are conservative church going people that have gay children (this case included). You can't tell me it's a choice in all cases.

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I figured I'd bring this up for thought, since I don't hear many people actually get deep enough on this issue to have a conversation. I think Ben Shapiro has at least touched on it in some of the interviews I've seen with him (I think one of his Rogan one's specifically).

One of the big issues is the cultural definition of gay / homosexual. When people are shouting at each other you don't get much beyond the words themselves. It's obvious that some people are born with certain tendencies (not just sexual ones either). I don't think anyone who naturally feels attraction to someone of the same gender is committing any kind of sin, that's just how they feel. The sin would be when someone commits the act of having sex with someone of the same gender. That is where the choice part comes in. Having sex before marriage is also a sin(another choice). That should not be supported either. Any actual Christian should be able to say that gay sex is wrong and premarital sex is wrong. That doesn't mean you hate or condemn anybody. That's just one of a multitude of sins that we are capable of committing. We should do our best to help each other not sin (hate the sin, love the sinner). Also, that's not judgement. It's calling out right and wrong. I am not going to actually judge anybody. I have my own sins I wish to be forgiven for, and I hope people would help me to not be sinful (whether they hurt my feelings or not).

So, our culture needs to get on the same page with the definition first. Is a gay person someone who is attracted to people of the same gender, or someone who is having sex with people of the same gender? Their is a difference. People also need to be able understand that not everyone will agree with what they choose to do, and no one should feel pressured to support acts that go against their religious beliefs. I think if we could at least come to this understanding, this would not be near the issue that it is right now.

Also, some people just like to have villain's to take their anger out on. Even if you try to have nuanced discussion there will always be people that just want to shout bigot (social media doesn't help) if you don't outright agree with them.

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Wow Ben Shapiro is so smart. He thinks it's ok if we're just celibate. Great plan.

On a humorous note, Ben has a gay cousin. He is the leader for Gen Z for Change.

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Was just trying for a little nuanced discussion. Maybe some people aren't ready for that.

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The issue I have with that statement is not the word abnormal, but choice. For example, I have a nephew, that when he was around 4-5, everyone could tell that he might be gay. He's still quite young, so hasn't come out yet, but we will not be shocked one bit if he comes out as gay. And there's a lot of people that are conservative church going people that have gay children (this case included). You can't tell me it's a choice in all cases.

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I figured I'd bring this up for thought, since I don't hear many people actually get deep enough on this issue to have a conversation. I think Ben Shapiro has at least touched on it in some of the interviews I've seen with him (I think one of his Rogan one's specifically).

One of the big issues is the cultural definition of gay / homosexual. When people are shouting at each other you don't get much beyond the words themselves. It's obvious that some people are born with certain tendencies (not just sexual ones either). I don't think anyone who naturally feels attraction to someone of the same gender is committing any kind of sin, that's just how they feel. The sin would be when someone commits the act of having sex with someone of the same gender. That is where the choice part comes in. Having sex before marriage is also a sin(another choice). That should not be supported either. Any actual Christian should be able to say that gay sex is wrong and premarital sex is wrong. That doesn't mean you hate or condemn anybody. That's just one of a multitude of sins that we are capable of committing. We should do our best to help each other not sin (hate the sin, love the sinner). Also, that's not judgement. It's calling out right and wrong. I am not going to actually judge anybody. I have my own sins I wish to be forgiven for, and I hope people would help me to not be sinful (whether they hurt my feelings or not).

So, our culture needs to get on the same page with the definition first. Is a gay person someone who is attracted to people of the same gender, or someone who is having sex with people of the same gender? Their is a difference. People also need to be able understand that not everyone will agree with what they choose to do, and no one should feel pressured to support acts that go against their religious beliefs. I think if we could at least come to this understanding, this would not be near the issue that it is right now.

Also, some people just like to have villain's to take their anger out on. Even if you try to have nuanced discussion there will always be people that just want to shout bigot (social media doesn't help) if you don't outright agree with them.

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Wow Ben Shapiro is so smart. He thinks it's ok if we're just celibate. Great plan.

On a humorous note, Ben has a gay cousin. He is the leader for Gen Z for Change.

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Was just trying for a little nuanced discussion. Maybe some people aren't ready for that.

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Saying gay people should just be celibate to meet the Republican point of view is hardly nuanced.

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There was a large contingent of delegates who are formerly gay who are hell bent hell bound on preventing log cabins and other lgbt of having a platform.

One of these delegates in one of the pictures that I posted the guy wearing don't blame me I voted for Trump shirt his name is Kevin Whitt former trans until he found Christ and turned his life around and away from that filth.

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Those guys just can't catch a break. Formerly gay, found Christ, and still "hell bent hell bound".

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The issue I have with that statement is not the word abnormal, but choice. For example, I have a nephew, that when he was around 4-5, everyone could tell that he might be gay. He's still quite young, so hasn't come out yet, but we will not be shocked one bit if he comes out as gay. And there's a lot of people that are conservative church going people that have gay children (this case included). You can't tell me it's a choice in all cases.

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I figured I'd bring this up for thought, since I don't hear many people actually get deep enough on this issue to have a conversation. I think Ben Shapiro has at least touched on it in some of the interviews I've seen with him (I think one of his Rogan one's specifically).

One of the big issues is the cultural definition of gay / homosexual. When people are shouting at each other you don't get much beyond the words themselves. It's obvious that some people are born with certain tendencies (not just sexual ones either). I don't think anyone who naturally feels attraction to someone of the same gender is committing any kind of sin, that's just how they feel. The sin would be when someone commits the act of having sex with someone of the same gender. That is where the choice part comes in. Having sex before marriage is also a sin(another choice). That should not be supported either. Any actual Christian should be able to say that gay sex is wrong and premarital sex is wrong. That doesn't mean you hate or condemn anybody. That's just one of a multitude of sins that we are capable of committing. We should do our best to help each other not sin (hate the sin, love the sinner). Also, that's not judgement. It's calling out right and wrong. I am not going to actually judge anybody. I have my own sins I wish to be forgiven for, and I hope people would help me to not be sinful (whether they hurt my feelings or not).

So, our culture needs to get on the same page with the definition first. Is a gay person someone who is attracted to people of the same gender, or someone who is having sex with people of the same gender? Their is a difference. People also need to be able understand that not everyone will agree with what they choose to do, and no one should feel pressured to support acts that go against their religious beliefs. I think if we could at least come to this understanding, this would not be near the issue that it is right now.

Also, some people just like to have villain's to take their anger out on. Even if you try to have nuanced discussion there will always be people that just want to shout bigot (social media doesn't help) if you don't outright agree with them.

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Wow Ben Shapiro is so smart. He thinks it's ok if we're just celibate. Great plan.

On a humorous note, Ben has a gay cousin. He is the leader for Gen Z for Change.

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Was just trying for a little nuanced discussion. Maybe some people aren't ready for that.

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Saying gay people should just be celibate to meet the Republican point of view is hardly nuanced.

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I guess this is proving my point. It is hard to have any real discussion on this with some people. I never mentioned republicans or staying celibate. I guess just mentioning that Shapiro was one of the few people that I've seen have a take on it was somehow triggering. I wasn't even bringing up what he said specifically. I was just voicing my take on the whole thing from a big picture point of view.

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The issue I have with that statement is not the word abnormal, but choice. For example, I have a nephew, that when he was around 4-5, everyone could tell that he might be gay. He's still quite young, so hasn't come out yet, but we will not be shocked one bit if he comes out as gay. And there's a lot of people that are conservative church going people that have gay children (this case included). You can't tell me it's a choice in all cases.

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I figured I'd bring this up for thought, since I don't hear many people actually get deep enough on this issue to have a conversation. I think Ben Shapiro has at least touched on it in some of the interviews I've seen with him (I think one of his Rogan one's specifically).

One of the big issues is the cultural definition of gay / homosexual. When people are shouting at each other you don't get much beyond the words themselves. It's obvious that some people are born with certain tendencies (not just sexual ones either). I don't think anyone who naturally feels attraction to someone of the same gender is committing any kind of sin, that's just how they feel. The sin would be when someone commits the act of having sex with someone of the same gender. That is where the choice part comes in. Having sex before marriage is also a sin(another choice). That should not be supported either. Any actual Christian should be able to say that gay sex is wrong and premarital sex is wrong. That doesn't mean you hate or condemn anybody. That's just one of a multitude of sins that we are capable of committing. We should do our best to help each other not sin (hate the sin, love the sinner). Also, that's not judgement. It's calling out right and wrong. I am not going to actually judge anybody. I have my own sins I wish to be forgiven for, and I hope people would help me to not be sinful (whether they hurt my feelings or not).

So, our culture needs to get on the same page with the definition first. Is a gay person someone who is attracted to people of the same gender, or someone who is having sex with people of the same gender? Their is a difference. People also need to be able understand that not everyone will agree with what they choose to do, and no one should feel pressured to support acts that go against their religious beliefs. I think if we could at least come to this understanding, this would not be near the issue that it is right now.

Also, some people just like to have villain's to take their anger out on. Even if you try to have nuanced discussion there will always be people that just want to shout bigot (social media doesn't help) if you don't outright agree with them.

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Wow Ben Shapiro is so smart. He thinks it's ok if we're just celibate. Great plan.

On a humorous note, Ben has a gay cousin. He is the leader for Gen Z for Change.

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Was just trying for a little nuanced discussion. Maybe some people aren't ready for that.

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Saying gay people should just be celibate to meet the Republican point of view is hardly nuanced.

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I guess this is proving my point. It is hard to have any real discussion on this with some people. I never mentioned republicans or staying celibate. I guess just mentioning that Shapiro was one of the few people that I've seen have a take on it was somehow triggering. I wasn't even bringing up what he said specifically. I was just voicing my take on the whole thing from a big picture point of view.

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What is your answer to the "gay question" because it seems I've misinterpreted your point and Ben Shapiro reference…