Groomers gonna groom

Threads like this make me wonder how it was back when the entrainment industry started having women and minorities be main characters in TV shows and movies. If the people said similar things, but instead of grooming, used another term to support their being against what was going on.

It'll be interesting to see in a decade or so, once the LGBTQXYZ community is seen as normal when on the screens, what will be the next thing some people will be outrages about.

And like previously mentioned, you can always just not watch it. Let the market decide and whatnot.

No Spin Ag said:

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Threads like this make me wonder how it was back when the entrainment industry started having women and minorities be main characters in TV shows and movies. If the people said similar things, but instead of grooming, used another term to support their being against what was going on.

It'll be interesting to see in a decade or so, once the LGBTQXYZ community is seen as normal when on the screens, what will be the next thing some people will be outrages about.

And like previously mentioned, you can always just not watch it. Let the market decide and whatnot.

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We USED to be able to not watch. Now, it is being pushed into every facet of media.

I think your analogy isn't as good as you think it is. Maybe in a very secular world, I could get your point.

But for a family of faith that isn't trying to expose our kids to a bunch of **** they're not equipped for, it falls very flat.

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My Name Is Judge said:

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dreyOO said:

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I don't care how someone chooses to live. We all have crosses to bear.

But this whole month, they shove the pride crap down our throats. So I had to cut the kids profiles over to very restricted so they don't stumble into something I don't approve. Wtf happened to the leadership at Disney? Maybe they were all closeted for decades or something.

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You should be turning off Disney completely

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Trust me. that's a regular conversation here. I could do it easily, but the alternatives don't exist yet. So I don't want them feeling like they're being punished for nothing. And I'm not about to have a bunch of trans convos with a 3rd grader.

The thing is, my kids love all the traditional stuff: adventure, traditional themes, courage, redemption, etc. Why can't we have access to that without all the other bull****

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because then they couldn't groom your kids.

Why can't we have a damned filter for this crap?

Competition is coming for Disney. It is getting cheaper and easier to produce films. Platforms and marketing are making it easier to grow an audience.

I don't love Amazon, but Prime is starting to carry more and more "clean" programming. I think Up Faith is one of the Studios. There is a second one as well. They aren't producing blockbusters but are growing an audience and could gain a foot hold. Thats how the Goliaths get taken down. They surrender a niche market and that niche provider expands as their capital and experience grows.

No Spin Ag said:

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Threads like this make me wonder how it was back when the entrainment industry started having women and minorities be main characters in TV shows and movies. If the people said similar things, but instead of grooming, used another term to support their being against what was going on.

It'll be interesting to see in a decade or so, once the LGBTQXYZ community is seen as normal when on the screens, what will be the next thing some people will be outrages about.

And like previously mentioned, you can always just not watch it. Let the market decide and whatnot.

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the problem is that homosexuals and trans individuals are less than 2% of the population.

But when you through 2 gay people into every ensemble cast of 8 characters it makes it seem like a huuuge chunk of the population is lgtbq.

part of how kids develop is looking at the world, observing what is normal, comparing themselves amd their group to it and either trying to rebel, conform, or look cool depending on the situation.

sorry. by the definition of normal 2-3% is not normal and using entertainment to try to make abnormal things seem normal and thus influence kids and socialize them into questioning the normality of heterosexuality is not good.

Bad for the kids. Bad for society. Bad for everyone.

there are ways to support lgbtq kids without convincing kids heterosexuality is abnormal and homosexuality is preferable.

DrEvazanPhD said:

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Anyone care to justify this?

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Yes. I can. It is a small but important step in breaking down the nuclear family on the road to destroying America and Western Civilization.

No Spin Ag said:

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Threads like this make me wonder how it was back when the entrainment industry started having women and minorities be main characters in TV shows and movies. If the people said similar things, but instead of grooming, used another term to support their being against what was going on.

It'll be interesting to see in a decade or so, once the LGBTQXYZ community is seen as normal when on the screens, what will be the next thing some people will be outrages about.

And like previously mentioned, you can always just not watch it. Let the market decide and whatnot.

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I feel a unicorn. White straight male married to a straight white female. You don't see that in the entertainment industry.

No Spin Ag said:

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Threads like this make me wonder how it was back when the entrainment industry started having women and minorities be main characters in TV shows and movies. If the people said similar things, but instead of grooming, used another term to support their being against what was going on.

It'll be interesting to see in a decade or so, once the LGBTQXYZ community is seen as normal when on the screens, what will be the next thing some people will be outrages about.

And like previously mentioned, you can always just not watch it. Let the market decide and whatnot.

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OK, groomer.

techno-ag said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Threads like this make me wonder how it was back when the entrainment industry started having women and minorities be main characters in TV shows and movies. If the people said similar things, but instead of grooming, used another term to support their being against what was going on.

It'll be interesting to see in a decade or so, once the LGBTQXYZ community is seen as normal when on the screens, what will be the next thing some people will be outrages about.

And like previously mentioned, you can always just not watch it. Let the market decide and whatnot.

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OK, groomer.

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Yeah screw the market. Leave our kids alone.

My Name Is Judge said:

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Good to see these sickos fail

Keep Hittin' em in the wallet

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Their problem is more likely Disney+. No reason to spend $100 for the family to see it in theaters when you can wait 3 months and watch it at home for a $8/mth or $80/yr.

No Spin Ag said:

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Threads like this make me wonder how it was back when the entrainment industry started having women and minorities be main characters in TV shows and movies. If the people said similar things, but instead of grooming, used another term to support their being against what was going on.

It'll be interesting to see in a decade or so, once the LGBTQXYZ community is seen as normal when on the screens, what will be the next thing some people will be outrages about.

And like previously mentioned, you can always just not watch it. Let the market decide and whatnot.

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Market decides nothing here. The Shame Game, or threats of it, has companies pandering with promos and products to show support, when financially it is a financial liability to do so for less than 3% of the population (add in a few more that either willingly support or are forced to compliance for employment).

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https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/strange-world-thuds-dismal-thanksgiving-162300021.html

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Whether fighting, feasting, or frolicking, there's one thing people weren't doing over Thanksgiving: going to see Strange World. Since its debut on November 23, the film has risen in the ranks to one of Pixar's biggest flops ever and could stand to lose $100 million at the box office.

Strange World had a budget of anywhere between $130 million and $180 million, per IndieWire. Over its first five dayswhich included a three-day weekend often considered one of the year's most profitablethe film brought in less than $19 million.

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The last time a Thanksgiving gross fared so poorly for Hollywood was 1994, and movie ticket prices averaged $4.08. A weekend garnering under $100 million is rare in and of itself; in 2019, only four weekends wore the heavy crown.

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This year, the domestic Thanksgiving box office tallied around $121 million. "Black Panther: Wakanda Forever" led the pack, with "Strange World" taking second place. All other films, including Sony's "Devotion," Disney and Searchlight's "The Menu," Warner Bros. "Black Adam" and Universal's "The Fabelmans" tallied less than $10 million each. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/27/disney-is-the-biggest-winner-and-loser-at-the-thanksgiving-box-office.html

Strange World came in second at the box office. Looks to be more about changing trends in entertainment than people boycotting Disney for wokeness.

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Bump.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/strange-world-thuds-dismal-thanksgiving-162300021.html

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Whether fighting, feasting, or frolicking, there's one thing people weren't doing over Thanksgiving: going to see Strange World. Since its debut on November 23, the film has risen in the ranks to one of Pixar's biggest flops ever and could stand to lose $100 million at the box office.

Strange World had a budget of anywhere between $130 million and $180 million, per IndieWire. Over its first five dayswhich included a three-day weekend often considered one of the year's most profitablethe film brought in less than $19 million.

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The last time a Thanksgiving gross fared so poorly for Hollywood was 1994, and movie ticket prices averaged $4.08. A weekend garnering under $100 million is rare in and of itself; in 2019, only four weekends wore the heavy crown.

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Meanwhile, showing at significantly fewer screens and times...
https://www.deseret.com/2022/11/21/23470961/the-chosen-season-3-box-office

It's excuse making season! The dumb audience just doesn't get it! Or maybe it just wasn't woke enough!

etxag02 said:

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This year, the domestic Thanksgiving box office tallied around $121 million. "Black Panther: Wakanda Forever" led the pack, with "Strange World" taking second place. All other films, including Sony's "Devotion," Disney and Searchlight's "The Menu," Warner Bros. "Black Adam" and Universal's "The Fabelmans" tallied less than $10 million each. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/27/disney-is-the-biggest-winner-and-loser-at-the-thanksgiving-box-office.html

Strange World came in second at the box office. Looks to be more about changing trends in entertainment than people boycotting Disney for wokeness.

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I watched the Guardians of the Galaxy Christmas Special this weekend. There's nothing like a gay bar scene to ring in the holidays

etxag02 said:

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This year, the domestic Thanksgiving box office tallied around $121 million. "Black Panther: Wakanda Forever" led the pack, with "Strange World" taking second place. All other films, including Sony's "Devotion," Disney and Searchlight's "The Menu," Warner Bros. "Black Adam" and Universal's "The Fabelmans" tallied less than $10 million each. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/27/disney-is-the-biggest-winner-and-loser-at-the-thanksgiving-box-office.html

Strange World came in second at the box office. Looks to be more about changing trends in entertainment than people boycotting Disney for wokeness.

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Or it could be fewer people wanting to spend that kind of money to have wokeness shoved down their throats.

If wokeness wasn't the issue than Disney + wouldn't be suffering the way it is considering it has monopolies on some of the world's most valuable franchises.

Fan response to all of the Marvel and Star Wars installments that have been "woke washed" have been dismal.

The only successful one thus far has been The Mandalorian and that is because Feige took the helm and prevented the wokeness.

Had no clue what Strange World was, but decided to take the kids as they wanted to see a movie. Color me not impressed.

Our kids are young enough that they just liked the silly characters and colors, but it lost their attention i.e. when we saw Paw Patrol movie they immediately asked to watch it again. This one not so much.

The premise of this thread is that Disney is losing money for being woke.

Box office sales are down across the board.

Disney is doing better than its competitors in the box office.

Disney+ is the third most popular streaming service after Netflix and Prime. 3Q '21 revenue $1.4 Billion with 95 million subscribers. (eta: almost a two-fold increase from last year.)

Thread fail.

EOT

ETA source links:
https://moneyinc.com/streaming-services/
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/03/how-the-summer-box-office-sizzled-then-fizzled-in-charts.html

rgvag11 said:

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The premise of this thread is that Disney is losing money for being woke.

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The premise of this thread is that Disney is pushing degeneracy down children's throats. That is unquestionably true.

We don't watch much TV but you could try VidAngle. In theory, it cuts out various inappropriate content.

Encanto made 40 million over the same weekend last year. Box office numbers should be up comparatively this year given less covid fear porn compared to 2021. We don't know exactly why this movie is bombing, but to rule out the controversial content out of hand is ridiculous. In all likelihood, it's a combination of a number of factors and the answer is more nuanced.

rgvag11 said:

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The premise of this thread is that Disney is losing money for being woke.

Box office sales are down across the board.and I explained that the reason for this could be that the content is woke instead of entertaining and people will not spend $50 for a family to go get preached to and indoctorinated. Disney being a part of this is affected.

Disney is doing better than its competitors in the box office.You say this while providing no evidence. Strange world seriously underperformed.

Disney+ is the third most popular streaming service after Netflix and Prime. 3Q '21 revenue $1.4 Billion with 95 million subscribers. (eta: almost a two-fold increase from last year.)it's the third largest....out of 4 competitors. Netflix, Prime, and Paramount + are the only real competitors for this market. HBO plus is a niche. YouTube red is an adjunct. HULU is part of the Disney package. You also forget to mention that Disney plus is not yet profitable and is underperforming against what it has been expected to bring in regarding both subscribers and revenue


Thread fail.

EOT

ETA source links:
https://moneyinc.com/streaming-services/
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/03/how-the-summer-box-office-sizzled-then-fizzled-in-charts.html

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Source:https://www.google.com/amp/s/dot.la/amp/disney-shares-drops-earnings-projections-2655534413

You can manipulate facts all you want to fit whatever narrative that you want.

But look to another Disney property ESPN as an example. ESPN has been a money loser ever since they started injecting politics into things and a huge financial drain on the Disney consortium.

rgvag11 said:

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The premise of this thread is that Disney is losing money for being woke.

Box office sales are down across the board.

Disney is doing better than its competitors in the box office.

Disney+ is the third most popular streaming service after Netflix and Prime. 3Q '21 revenue $1.4 Billion with 95 million subscribers. (eta: almost a two-fold increase from last year.)

Thread fail.

EOT

ETA source links:
https://moneyinc.com/streaming-services/
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/03/how-the-summer-box-office-sizzled-then-fizzled-in-charts.html

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Disney is going to garner a certain amount of market share because of their legacy and other services that come with it like HULU and ESPN.

I am quite certain that there are a whole lot of parents out there that aren't really aware of what Disney is trying to do and just want cartoons to keep their kids preoccupied.

It's far better to look at individual material to see what is popular or not than to look at the entire umbrella. From what the OP pointed out, these woke offerings aren't doing so well.

As Ags4DaWin pointed out, people "can manipulate facts all you want to fit whatever narrative that you want." His old fiscal 2021 earning report links don't back up the narrative that Disney is losing money due to woke programming. I know that is what people want to believe, but Disney's 2022 earning reports don't show that either and Disney+ subscribers increased 38% compared to Ags4DaWin's 2021 total.

TBC, I'm not saying people should use their services, but the data clearly shows that people are NOT backing away from Disney.

rgvag11 said:

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As Ags4DaWin pointed out, people "can manipulate facts all you want to fit whatever narrative that you want." His old fiscal 2021 earning report links don't back up the narrative that Disney is losing money due to woke programming. I know that is what people want to believe, but Disney's 2022 earning reports don't show that either and Disney+ subscribers increased 38% compared to Ags4DaWin's 2021 total.

TBC, I'm not saying people should use their services, but the data clearly shows that people are NOT backing away from Disney.

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The issue isn't whether or not Disney is losing money. Given its reach and history, Disney will likely always be plenty profitable.

The issue is whether they are losing potential business by focusing so much attention on diversity and representation -- to the exclusion of story telling and content quality.

And in the meantime, are they slowly eroding their brand equity?

Those are long-term questions that can't be answered by quarterly earnings.

etxag02 said:

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This year, the domestic Thanksgiving box office tallied around $121 million. "Black Panther: Wakanda Forever" led the pack, with "Strange World" taking second place. All other films, including Sony's "Devotion," Disney and Searchlight's "The Menu," Warner Bros. "Black Adam" and Universal's "The Fabelmans" tallied less than $10 million each. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/27/disney-is-the-biggest-winner-and-loser-at-the-thanksgiving-box-office.html

Strange World came in second at the box office. Looks to be more about changing trends in entertainment than people boycotting Disney for wokeness.

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A lot of those have been out for awhile. This was opening weekend for Strange World. The Menu has been out for a week. Fabelmans has been out for two weeks. Black Adam has been out for a month. Black Panther has been out as well. Only Devotion opened around the same time. The Menu and Fabelmans both had opening weekend numbers similar to Strange World, but on normal weekends as opposed to one of the bigger weekends of the year.

Netflix is just as big a pusher to be fair........

It's almost a pre-req for an show on there to have agendas

Coco, Soul, Encanto, and Turning Red check lots of boxes on the diversity and inclusion checklist, but are also excellent movies that have "family is good" message that's impossible to hate. Contrast with the suckfest of Marvels "Immortals" with an ensemble cast that was chosen for eye rolling reason of diversity and inclusion with a lame plot.

On the gay front, if someone's family thinks gay characters are in and of themselves an affront to decency, I'm not at all sympathetic to that world view. Over the top and over represented gay characters are obnoxious.

SeaAg010607 said:

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We don't watch much TV but you could try VidAngle. In theory, it cuts out various inappropriate content.

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Disney does not permit VidAngel to remove the profanity or adult scenes from its films. Not available on their platform.