I'll chip in for that!!

This was a thought I had too, gun owner parent volunteers.

Parents have the incentive and mindset to get this task done every time.

This woman is the archetypal momma bear.

The pd will have their hands full the next time this happens.

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Is it policy preventing these cops from being more active/involved?

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Sort of...they were following a "Barricaded Suspect" protocol instead of an "Active Shooter" protocol. Barricaded Suspect protocol says stand back and wait for the breach team, Active Shooter protocol says stop active shooter immediately and by any means. It was not a barricaded suspect protocol as you could hear gunfire.

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WHY were they following a "Barricaded Suspect" protocol IF SHOTS WERE BEING FIRED WHILE MAMA BEAR WAS IN THE SCHOOL WITH POLICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Bronco6G said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Is it policy preventing these cops from being more active/involved?

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Sort of...they were following a "Barricaded Suspect" protocol instead of an "Active Shooter" protocol. Barricaded Suspect protocol says stand back and wait for the breach team, Active Shooter protocol says stop active shooter immediately and by any means. It was not a barricaded suspect protocol as you could hear gunfire.

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WHY were they following a "Barricaded Suspect" protocol IF SHOTS WERE BEING FIRED WHILE MAMA BEAR WAS IN THE SCHOOL WITH POLICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Donuts weren't gonna eat themselves, Mister Falcon!!

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Bronco6G said:

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Welloiledmachine04 said:

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How could she get in the school? But zero cops??

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Because she had a child inside, the cops had their children at home.

there is a huge difference between putting your life on the line when you have a child in danger vs. putting your life on the line because you need a paycheck.

I've said it before, but the fact is that MOST cops are not suited for the jobs they signed up for. Most of them will never unholster their weapon outside of range day. Police officers, Home Depot Employees, Whataburger cashiers....all have people that are just punching a clock.

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Sadly this is true...I had a shocking conversation with a retired Supervising Border Patrol agent of 27 years. i went into the conversation expecting him to bash the police for doing nothing. He instead, supported their decision for doing nothing. His thought process was they don't get paid enough to go into a scene where they will knowingly take heavy fire, he went on to say that before all the Defund The Police narratives he had a different attitude.

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After BLM's assassination of 5 police officers in Dallas, the defund the police movement, and what happened to Chauvin, I won't blame cops for not wanting to put themselves at risk for an ungrateful public.

If you want security you must be willing to provide it yourself.

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I disagree. This is a job that you should be doing because you want to improve your community. This is not a job you should do because you want a paycheck and just want to ride the clock until retirement.

If you have no intention or desire to run into heavy gunfire to save innocent lives, then you should be signing up for the 24 hour security jobs where you can ride around in a golf cart with a yellow light on top.

I do not tolerate the excust of "we don't get paid enough to not let kids die". F--- them.

All she did was create more chaos for everyone trying to help. Civilians do not need to be interfering in the middle of an ongoing situation. This will end badly when an innocent person trying to help gets shot.

Agzonfire said:

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All she did was create more chaos for everyone trying to help. Civilians do not need to be interfering in the middle of an ongoing situation. This will end badly when an innocent person trying to help gets shot.

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keep licking that boot

Agzonfire said:

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All she did was create more chaos for everyone trying to help. Civilians do not need to be interfering in the middle of an ongoing situation. This will end badly when an innocent person trying to help gets shot.

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Terrible take. She saved her kids while the cops did nothing other than try to stop her. This woman is a hero.

She should have let the cops do their job and stand around for an hour and a half instead of saving her kids from a psycho. How dare you question the #thinblueline /s

BusterAg said:

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Bronco6G said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Is it policy preventing these cops from being more active/involved?

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Sort of...they were following a "Barricaded Suspect" protocol instead of an "Active Shooter" protocol. Barricaded Suspect protocol says stand back and wait for the breach team, Active Shooter protocol says stop active shooter immediately and by any means. It was not a barricaded suspect protocol as you could hear gunfire.

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WHY were they following a "Barricaded Suspect" protocol IF SHOTS WERE BEING FIRED WHILE MAMA BEAR WAS IN THE SCHOOL WITH POLICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Who was in command and made that call?

Funky Winkerbean said:

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BusterAg said:

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Bronco6G said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Is it policy preventing these cops from being more active/involved?

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Sort of...they were following a "Barricaded Suspect" protocol instead of an "Active Shooter" protocol. Barricaded Suspect protocol says stand back and wait for the breach team, Active Shooter protocol says stop active shooter immediately and by any means. It was not a barricaded suspect protocol as you could hear gunfire.

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WHY were they following a "Barricaded Suspect" protocol IF SHOTS WERE BEING FIRED WHILE MAMA BEAR WAS IN THE SCHOOL WITH POLICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Who was in command and made that call?

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If you were outside that door, and you heard more shots, you just stand there, and hide behind orders?

F-that.

Agzonfire said:

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All she did was create more chaos for everyone trying to help. Civilians do not need to be interfering in the middle of an ongoing situation. This will end badly when an innocent person trying to help gets shot.

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Well innocent people were being shot while authorities sat outside for over an hour...so it was already ending badly.

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This raises an interesting question.... why couldn't local police departments vet 8-10 parents that worked close to a school, were interested in serving, deputize them, train them monthly as a "task" force, and utilize them in the event of a live shooter in a school. They would have no issues in going in a live shooter situation for their kids and in a few months be as well (or better) trained as most small town police.

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This is much trickier at public schools, obviously. But I know of a large church congregation with a very well trained group of civilians specifically for active shooter response. The church spends thousands of dollars a year on monthly training (everyone supplies their own gear but the church does cover ammo) and they train quarterly with the local police department. All volunteer, they have a schedule so a certain number of them are committed to being there any time the doors are open. It's a wonderful model and if my kid was in private school I would insist on it and contribute to paying for it.

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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BusterAg said:

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Bronco6G said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Is it policy preventing these cops from being more active/involved?

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Sort of...they were following a "Barricaded Suspect" protocol instead of an "Active Shooter" protocol. Barricaded Suspect protocol says stand back and wait for the breach team, Active Shooter protocol says stop active shooter immediately and by any means. It was not a barricaded suspect protocol as you could hear gunfire.

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WHY were they following a "Barricaded Suspect" protocol IF SHOTS WERE BEING FIRED WHILE MAMA BEAR WAS IN THE SCHOOL WITH POLICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Who was in command and made that call?

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If you were outside that door, and you heard more shots, you just stand there, and hide behind orders?

F-that.

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Of course not, but it starts with who made that order. I swear I think government so over saturates employees that individual thought is squashed. Absolutely, if shots are still being fired the police on the scene should've adjusted accordingly. But the commander should fry.

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All she did was create more chaos for everyone trying to help. Civilians do not need to be interfering in the middle of an ongoing situation. This will end badly when an innocent person trying to help gets shot.

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I can only speak for myself here, but I'd rather be shot and killed by police than go on living in a world without my daughter.

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Agzonfire said:

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All she did was create more chaos for everyone trying to help. Civilians do not need to be interfering in the middle of an ongoing situation. This will end badly when an innocent person trying to help gets shot.

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I can only speak for myself here, but I'd rather be shot and killed by police than go on living in a world without my daughter.

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Same here. That's not the point.

And if they'd already gotten your daughter to safety and hadn't told you?

I'm not going to question the mom in this case. Extremely brave for doing what the cops were too scared to attempt!! However...it leaves me wondering about the school's lockdown protocols. (And I'm not talking about the outside door)...when we have drills, we are instructed to NEVER open a locked door to our classroom until the 2nd all clear. A shooter could easily say "police....open up" and try to get you to open the door. Or.....take a hostage and ask them to knock on the door in an attempt to get the teacher to open up. Thus.....I'm surprised the teacher opened the door for the parent at all (two different teachers I guess).....but again.....good for this mom for going in!!

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BrazosDog02 said:

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Welloiledmachine04 said:

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How could she get in the school? But zero cops??

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Because she had a child inside, the cops had their children at home.

there is a huge difference between putting your life on the line when you have a child in danger vs. putting your life on the line because you need a paycheck.

I've said it before, but the fact is that MOST cops are not suited for the jobs they signed up for. Most of them will never unholster their weapon outside of range day. Police officers, Home Depot Employees, Whataburger cashiers....all have people that are just punching a clock.

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Sadly this is true...I had a shocking conversation with a retired Supervising Border Patrol agent of 27 years. i went into the conversation expecting him to bash the police for doing nothing. He instead, supported their decision for doing nothing. His thought process was they don't get paid enough to go into a scene where they will knowingly take heavy fire, he went on to say that before all the Defund The Police narratives he had a different attitude.

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After BLM's assassination of 5 police officers in Dallas, the defund the police movement, and what happened to Chauvin, I won't blame cops for not wanting to put themselves at risk for an ungrateful public.

If you want security you must be willing to provide it yourself.

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Then they shoulsn't have tried to stop parents from rescuing their own kids.

If ur too much of a chicken****, get out of the way of people who are there to get **** done.

Just. Get. Out. Of. The. Way.

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aglaohfour said:

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Agzonfire said:

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All she did was create more chaos for everyone trying to help. Civilians do not need to be interfering in the middle of an ongoing situation. This will end badly when an innocent person trying to help gets shot.

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I can only speak for myself here, but I'd rather be shot and killed by police than go on living in a world without my daughter.

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Same here. That's not the point.

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The point is she hindered nothing.

You can't be a hinderance when everyone is sitting with their rhumbs planted firmly up their asses.

Agzonfire said:

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All she did was create more chaos for everyone trying to help. Civilians do not need to be interfering in the middle of an ongoing situation. This will end badly when an innocent person trying to help gets shot.

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"Just wait for the government... they'll protect us."

What more could've went wrong than 20 slain children?

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lb3 said:

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Bronco6G said:

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BrazosDog02 said:

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Welloiledmachine04 said:

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How could she get in the school? But zero cops??

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Because she had a child inside, the cops had their children at home.

there is a huge difference between putting your life on the line when you have a child in danger vs. putting your life on the line because you need a paycheck.

I've said it before, but the fact is that MOST cops are not suited for the jobs they signed up for. Most of them will never unholster their weapon outside of range day. Police officers, Home Depot Employees, Whataburger cashiers....all have people that are just punching a clock.

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Sadly this is true...I had a shocking conversation with a retired Supervising Border Patrol agent of 27 years. i went into the conversation expecting him to bash the police for doing nothing. He instead, supported their decision for doing nothing. His thought process was they don't get paid enough to go into a scene where they will knowingly take heavy fire, he went on to say that before all the Defund The Police narratives he had a different attitude.

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After BLM's assassination of 5 police officers in Dallas, the defund the police movement, and what happened to Chauvin, I won't blame cops for not wanting to put themselves at risk for an ungrateful public.

If you want security you must be willing to provide it yourself.

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Then they shoulsn't have tried to stop parents from rescuing their own kids.

If ur too much of a chicken****, get out of the way of people who are there to get **** done.

Just. Get. Out. Of. The. Way.

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This is going to become more and more commonplace as good cops leave and get replaced by woke gun grabbing SJWs.

Why not let the cops simply do what they do and pick up the pieces after the fact?

The only chance any of them had is an armed faculty/staff.

BusterAg said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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BusterAg said:

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Bronco6G said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Is it policy preventing these cops from being more active/involved?

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Sort of...they were following a "Barricaded Suspect" protocol instead of an "Active Shooter" protocol. Barricaded Suspect protocol says stand back and wait for the breach team, Active Shooter protocol says stop active shooter immediately and by any means. It was not a barricaded suspect protocol as you could hear gunfire.

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WHY were they following a "Barricaded Suspect" protocol IF SHOTS WERE BEING FIRED WHILE MAMA BEAR WAS IN THE SCHOOL WITH POLICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Who was in command and made that call?

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If you were outside that door, and you heard more shots, you just stand there, and hide behind orders?

F-that.

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. They didn't have the tools to breech an outward opening door.

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The police were in the school and has been reported were escorting kids out of the school while the shooter was barricaded in the other classrooms. They just got to that area of the school when she showed up to her second sons' classroom.

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Yeah, at least 40 f***ing minutes after the first shots (I know you aren't defending it).

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Agzonfire said:

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All she did was create more chaos for everyone trying to help. Civilians do not need to be interfering in the middle of an ongoing situation. This will end badly when an innocent person trying to help gets shot.

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keep licking that boot

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perfect reply

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Remember the lefts answer to all this is for nobody to have guns but the criminals and the government

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That's redundant.

You people make me sick with all this cop bashing, wtf do you think things are where they are today. I'm sure it's keyboard warriors like a lot of you are that approved of the Defund the police movement. People pushing for this agenda have no idea how much damage they are doing. This movement is absolutely giving criminals the mind set that nothing can happen to them. It's a GD tragedy. All this finger pointing is making making me sick. So many rumors and and accusations flying around on a daily basis. I hope those that are bashing the police never need the police, but at the end of the day, an officer will show up at your door in your time of need no matter the situation.

Things may have not been done right in Uvalde, but stop putting all cops in the same category. The officers on the ground that day bare the weight of what happened, it will haunt them for the rest of their lives.
Lives were lost, families destroyed and a city mourns. God bless every single one of them.

It seems that cops are great at subduing old women for not wearing masks, but a little less competent when the public truly needs them "to protect and serve".

My Name Is Judge said:

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Rocky Rider said:

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Can someone summarize? tiktok is blocked on work systems

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Cops on the scene sat around thumb in their ass & tried to arrest a mom who went into school to save her kids….


This deal is really starting to appear choreographed

Is just not possible that this many units were this incompetent…

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Nra convention 2 days later

We just had 2 major human trafficking bust by guess who?

The border control

Retailiation

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You people make me sick with all this cop bashing, wtf do you think things are where they are today. I'm sure it's keyboard warriors like a lot of you are that approved of the Defund the police movement. People pushing for this agenda have no idea how much damage they are doing. This movement is absolutely giving criminals the mind set that nothing can happen to them. It's a GD tragedy. All this finger pointing is making making me sick. So many rumors and and accusations flying around on a daily basis. I hope those that are bashing the police never need the police, but at the end of the day, an officer will show up at your door in your time of need no matter the situation.

Things may have not been done right in Uvalde, but stop putting all cops in the same category. The officers on the ground that day bare the weight of what happened, it will haunt them for the rest of their lives.
Lives were lost, families destroyed and a city mourns. God bless every single one of them.

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These cops took orders to stand down
And they did that
Their job over their duties

Easy said than done
But they chose to be cowards
This was orchestrated

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Why not let the cops simply do what they do and pick up the pieces after the fact?

The only chance any of them had is an armed faculty/staff.

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I agree. As stated numerous times on this forum this week, when seconds matter, the cops are minutes away.

We need hardened schools, and armed teachers.

Cops should have just handed their guns over to the parents and let them go in.

That's a good mama.