• Pete Arredondo, chief of police for the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District, had stopped at least 19 officers from breaking into the school
• Steven McCraw, director of Texas Department of Public Safety, said Arredondo mistakenly believed the gunman was contained and no longer a threat
• Two federal sources told NBC that teams of border patrol agents from their tactical division were on the scene by 12:00-12:15pm, but told to wait
• They stood around for 30 minutes before taking matters into their own hands and deciding to storm the school
• Arredondo is yet to appear at any press briefings but officials are facing increasingly angry questions about their handling of the attack

This DPS being as nice as they can be to Arredondo. He is not long for this world as chief of police. The only time I watched the TV on this just happened to be when a DPS spokesperson gave a brief comment in which the first statement he made while MAD was that heroic officers stopped this, T&P for the victims didn't come till the third point leading me to believe there was a heated argument between LEA on scene.

That makes me sick to my stomach to read.

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Burpelson said:

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I do not think a teacher will be ready to take on an ambush from a determined psychopath with a high powered semi auto who's ready to most likely die in the process.

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What you think does not matter, you can't account for everything, give the teachers who want, a fighting chance. Many teachers already carry concealed when not at school....

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I have driven through a few small Texas towns where the school has a sign up that their teachers are armed and know how to use their weapons. Cannot remember exactly where I have seen those. Ft. Davis maybe.
Blackwell in Nolan County, I know it was in very small and rural school districts.

I can't imagine a large school district in a city ever allowing that.

But if you have ever read many of my posts on TexAgs, I am a huge proponent of small town Texas.

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Living in a small south Texas town, I have personal knowledge of two districts with these signs. The info given to parents is that there are teachers on campus who have a firearm in their classroom (not on their person). I believe only a select few administrators have firsthand knowledge who those teachers are. The firearm is in a lockbox in that teacher'a classroom.

This is a fantastic situation, as long as the teacher can get to the lockbox. Personally, I would prefer a concealed on the person firearm. They are easy to conceal. I know many people who carry and you would never know it from looking at them (ie no gun impressing visible).

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unmade bed said:

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unmade bed said:

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From what I have heard and read just before the gunman arrive a teacher went out the back door and propped the door open (I believe it is standard that all exterior doors in school automatically lock). Unclear why the teacher went out the door (smoke break?) but the truck crashed 1 minute later and the teacher ran back into the school to grab a phone, went back outside with the phone to call 911 regarding the crash, saw the shooter approaching and shooting at the school, so the teacher ran back in through the door that had been propped open and LEFT THE DOOR PROPPED OPEN so the shooter could come right in.

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If you're trying to be credible, then state facts. Don't add irrelevant information ie (smoke break?).

McGraw clearly stated in the press conference that the teacher left the building to get her phone that had been left in another classroom.

This is not akin to a smoke break.

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There has been no explanation given as to why the teacher initially went outside (prior to the truck crash) and propped the door open. Exactly like I said, it is still unclear. My reference to a smoke break was clearly made as a question and not as a fact.

The explanation you say was given above (that the teacher had to go outside and prop the door open to retrieve a phone from a classroom) makes absolutely no sense. That classroom is right by the door that was propped open (see the map I posted).
Why in the world would a teacher that was inside need to go outside and prop the door open to retrieve a phone from the room right next to the door?

What I saw was reported was exactly what I said (and makes sense), a teacher went out that door and left it propped open (presumably so they could get back in without having to follow protocol and return in through the single point of entry at the front of the school). Why the teacher did this has not been explained but it certainly needs to be.

While outside, the teacher saw the truck crash and returned inside to the room to retrieve a cell phone, then went back outside through the propped door with cell phone to call 911 regarding the crash. When back outside the teacher saw the shooter approaching and shooting at the school, and then teacher again ran back into the school (through the propped door and left the door propped open). This allowed the shooter easy access to get inside the school.

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McGraw said the teacher went to get her phone in Room 132. So, maybe we are all incorrect in assuming it was the EXTERIOR door that was propped open and not her classroom door?

As for a teacher propping ANY door open, it is common practice. The school had had their awards assembly earlier in the day. I've been a parent visiting school on awards days and all kinds of doors are propped and accessible. Is it a good idea? No. Does it happen? You bet.

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Here's a story based on McGraws comments that you keep referring to:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/05/27/uvalde-texas-shooting-police-response/9964966002/

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At 11:27 a.m. Tuesday morning, a teacher at Robb Elementary School propped open a door to the building, McCraw said.

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Note this is BEFORE the shooter even arrive at the school. This information apparently comes from review of on-site surveillance video, so I'm assuming teacher is seen on video leaving the door to go outside and "propping" it open.

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One minute later, the gunman crashed a vehicle into a ditch nearby. The teacher ran to one of the classrooms to retrieve a phone and then walked back to the exit door, which was still propped open.

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So after the door was initially propped open by teacher the truck crashes and then the teacher runs to Room 132 (room right by propped open door) to retrieve phone. This clearly happened after the door was initially propped open. The door was not propped open so the teacher could get their phone. I believe the teacher that went to room 132 was the same teacher that initially propped open the door.

The teacher then goes back to the propped open exit door and calls 911 to report the crash (I assume but can not be 100% that the reason the teacher went to get the phone in the first place was because of the truck crash - assumption is based on timeline).

While at the exit door, the teacher sees shooter approaching school with gun (and reports to 911 that there is a man with a gun). The teacher then retreats back into school leaving the exterior door propped open.

The shooter came in through this door.

Here is another story confirm the above timeline:

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2022/05/26/timeline-what-we-know-about-the-texas-elementary-school-shooting/?outputType=amp

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etchasketch said:

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unmade bed said:

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etchasketch said:

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unmade bed said:

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From what I have heard and read just before the gunman arrive a teacher went out the back door and propped the door open (I believe it is standard that all exterior doors in school automatically lock). Unclear why the teacher went out the door (smoke break?) but the truck crashed 1 minute later and the teacher ran back into the school to grab a phone, went back outside with the phone to call 911 regarding the crash, saw the shooter approaching and shooting at the school, so the teacher ran back in through the door that had been propped open and LEFT THE DOOR PROPPED OPEN so the shooter could come right in.

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If you're trying to be credible, then state facts. Don't add irrelevant information ie (smoke break?).

McGraw clearly stated in the press conference that the teacher left the building to get her phone that had been left in another classroom.

This is not akin to a smoke break.

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There has been no explanation given as to why the teacher initially went outside (prior to the truck crash) and propped the door open. Exactly like I said, it is still unclear. My reference to a smoke break was clearly made as a question and not as a fact.

The explanation you say was given above (that the teacher had to go outside and prop the door open to retrieve a phone from a classroom) makes absolutely no sense. That classroom is right by the door that was propped open (see the map I posted).
Why in the world would a teacher that was inside need to go outside and prop the door open to retrieve a phone from the room right next to the door?

What I saw was reported was exactly what I said (and makes sense), a teacher went out that door and left it propped open (presumably so they could get back in without having to follow protocol and return in through the single point of entry at the front of the school). Why the teacher did this has not been explained but it certainly needs to be.

While outside, the teacher saw the truck crash and returned inside to the room to retrieve a cell phone, then went back outside through the propped door with cell phone to call 911 regarding the crash. When back outside the teacher saw the shooter approaching and shooting at the school, and then teacher again ran back into the school (through the propped door and left the door propped open). This allowed the shooter easy access to get inside the school.

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McGraw said the teacher went to get her phone in Room 132. So, maybe we are all incorrect in assuming it was the EXTERIOR door that was propped open and not her classroom door?

As for a teacher propping ANY door open, it is common practice. The school had had their awards assembly earlier in the day. I've been a parent visiting school on awards days and all kinds of doors are propped and accessible. Is it a good idea? No. Does it happen? You bet.

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Here's a story based on McGraws comments that you keep referring to:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/05/27/uvalde-texas-shooting-police-response/9964966002/

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At 11:27 a.m. Tuesday morning, a teacher at Robb Elementary School propped open a door to the building, McCraw said.

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Note this is BEFORE the shooter even arrive at the school. This information apparently comes from review of on-site surveillance video, so I'm assuming teacher is seen on video leaving the door to go outside and "propping" it open.

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One minute later, the gunman crashed a vehicle into a ditch nearby. The teacher ran to one of the classrooms to retrieve a phone and then walked back to the exit door, which was still propped open.

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So after the door was initially propped open by teacher the truck crashes and then the teacher runs to Room 132 (room right by propped open door) to retrieve phone. This clearly happened after the door was initially propped open. The door was not propped open so the teacher could get their phone. I believe the teacher that went to room 132 was the same teacher that initially propped open the door.

The teacher then goes back to the propped open exit door and calls 911 to report the crash (I assume but can not be 100% that the reason the teacher went to get the phone in the first place was because of the truck crash - assumption is based on timeline).

While at the exit door, the teacher sees shooter approaching school with gun (and reports to 911 that there is a man with a gun). The teacher then retreats back into school leaving the exterior door propped open.

The shooter came in through this door.

Here is another story confirm the above timeline:

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2022/05/26/timeline-what-we-know-about-the-texas-elementary-school-shooting/?outputType=amp

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At 11:27 a.m. Tuesday morning, a teacher at Robb Elementary School propped open a door to the building, McCraw said.

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ok. A teacher propped the door open. You are correct.

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If a police dept who trained for this failed this bad, why do politicians want teachers to arm themselves and manage this?

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Can you please search for the umpteen other responses to this ridiculous comment before repeating it?

Putting aside the fact that POLITICIANS don't really want it, the FACT is that virtually no school shooting in history was carried out in this manner. In almost all of them, either the shooter(s) committed suicide on their own, did so at the sight of the FIRST person with a gun (LEO or other), or surrendered under the same or similar circumstances. This also doesn't speak to the idea that we don't know whether ANY shooter will target a school he knows contains an unknown number of armed staff.

Just because one solution like this may or may not have worked in THIS situation doesn't mean anything. That's like saying seat belts are a bad idea because they don't keep all people from dying in auto accidents.

Should have sent in a social worker to reason with the young man. -Concerned Moderate

Take exception to OP's title.

The UVALDE PD was not the responsible party. The UVALDE CONSOLIDATE ISD Police Chief was the guy in charge.

We can only wonder how this might have turned out if UPD had the role of Incident Command. BUT good ole Pedro Arrendondo of ISD PD was had the responsibility. Pedro is responsible to the Superintendent of Schools and School Board for his actions/in action- the voters of Uvalde County need to act.

The UVALDE CONSOLIDATE ISD Police Chief acted on the first principle of government.

"When in doubt do nothing"

and the 2nd

"When you can, then pass the responsibility on to some one else"

The left cries wolf and gets virtuous only when it lays into their objective to destroy the right with its use of identity politics. Their faux sincerity is nauseating. When given power to bring about change they don't do anything, but continue blaming someone else. Nothing about the emotional responses we've been reading since the shooting means anything to them on any sort of meaningful level. Whining and blaming, lather, rinse and repeat.

Literally genuinely lmao.

Thanks.

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It's extremely hypocritical to see "To Protect and Serve" on cop cars. Too many of them believe their job is to punish and harass.

If you take that job, you damn well better not be afraid to run to trouble.

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This right here is where law enforcement in this country got messed up.

That gun on your hip is not to protect you, mfer, it's to protect us.

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Being a cop is not for everyone.

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If you wage a war on cops for over a decade, make it impossible to do the job, smear them as racists, don't be surprised if good cops leave, and potentially good cops never sign up.

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My goodness username checks out!!

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If a police dept who trained for this failed this bad, why do politicians want teachers to arm themselves and manage this?

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I believe a trained teacher who volunteers would have had less of a "self preservation" response and taken quicker action based on information that's currently available.

When the dust settles, and we asks, what can reasonably be improved, the motivation of first responders to stop the shooter at all cost is that main lesson to be learned here in my opinion.

Would an armed and trained teacher or cop have been more likely to respond without hesitation is a question that's worth further investigation?

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From what I have heard, the Commander on the Scene decided that the threat had transitioned from an Active Shooter to a Barricaded Suspect and directed all officers to hold where they were. In a Barricaded Suspect situation the procedure is to wait for SWAT and/or wait the suspect out. That was the Mistake. A Huge Mistake.

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Could they not hear screams/gunshots? I would get it if none of that was going on and it was just a few noises indicating movement in there or the shooter was communicating with LE somehow, and was hoping this was the case and it was all a misunderstanding…but wasn't he still killing children?