TxTarpon said:

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baron_von_awesome said:

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We will never give up our guns Steve, we don't care if there is a mass shooting every day of the week.

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God help you man.

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HAHAH, people get so triggered because we have the right to defend ourselves in this country.

_mpaul said:

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nortex97 said:

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_mpaul said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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_mpaul said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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Boo Weekley said:

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D-Fens said:

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Kerr is an emotional moron with no understanding of guns or criminal behavior.

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Steve Kerr's dad was killed in 1984. Two bullets to the head. Yes, he is emotional about gun violence. And who is NOT upset about 18 kids getting murdered??????

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Upon learning that, I can see why he might have an overly emotional and irrational stance that lacks perspective. I mean that. I will cut him a little slack. But he's dead wrong on the entire issue.

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His personal tragedy does not supersede my God given right to own guns.

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You don't have a God-given right to own guns.

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Wrong. I do. God gave us the Constitution and it says we do have that right. The founders were clear - our rights come from our creator.

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I don't even know where to start with this one. So when man repeals or amends part of the Constitution, is such action valid? Can the Second Amendment be repealed or amended? What happens if the rest of us decide that's a good course of action?

The founders were clear that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights, which include life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. There ain't nothing about guns.

Poor Adam. Apparently had the right to own guns and yet didn't even know what one was.

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Cain found a rock though, not too long afterward, and used it to deadly effect. Should we also have rock background checks?

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This has nothing to do with the very narrow issue we're discussing, which specifically is whether there is a God-given right to own guns. That's it. Nothing more.

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The god of the Hebrews is a big fan of self defense.....so I am good with it.

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This is where we need FBI more than ever. If people like this are at least monitored on the front end we can drastically cut into the domestic terrorism.

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We already have that thanks to The Patriot Act(TM)

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His mindset seems very similar to any domestic terrorist in that no one else matters on his personal feelings outweighs everything on planet earth.

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Wrong.
That is everyone on this rock with an ego.
My personal feelings > Your personal feelings
And vise versa

baron_von_awesome said:

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TxTarpon said:

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baron_von_awesome said:

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We will never give up our guns Steve, we don't care if there is a mass shooting every day of the week.

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God help you man.

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HAHAH, people get so triggered because we have the right to defend ourselves in this country.

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Mass shootings mean innocent people die.
Only sick, evil people want that to happen.
Your post stated mass shootings, not personal defense.

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nortex97 said:

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_mpaul said:

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_mpaul said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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Boo Weekley said:

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Inca said:

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D-Fens said:

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Kerr is an emotional moron with no understanding of guns or criminal behavior.

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Steve Kerr's dad was killed in 1984. Two bullets to the head. Yes, he is emotional about gun violence. And who is NOT upset about 18 kids getting murdered??????

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Upon learning that, I can see why he might have an overly emotional and irrational stance that lacks perspective. I mean that. I will cut him a little slack. But he's dead wrong on the entire issue.

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His personal tragedy does not supersede my God given right to own guns.

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You don't have a God-given right to own guns.

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Wrong. I do. God gave us the Constitution and it says we do have that right. The founders were clear - our rights come from our creator.

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I don't even know where to start with this one. So when man repeals or amends part of the Constitution, is such action valid? Can the Second Amendment be repealed or amended? What happens if the rest of us decide that's a good course of action?

The founders were clear that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights, which include life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. There ain't nothing about guns.

Poor Adam. Apparently had the right to own guns and yet didn't even know what one was.

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Cain found a rock though, not too long afterward, and used it to deadly effect. Should we also have rock background checks?

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This has nothing to do with the very narrow issue we're discussing, which specifically is whether there is a God-given right to own guns. That's it. Nothing more.

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Oh whatever, I think it is a God-given right. I base that on Jesus, and how the New Testament in particular shows he did not scold Peter for having a sword, for instance, let alone much of the defensive battles/fights in the Old Testament (David, etc.). The right to self defense is classically a natural right, and one that includes the right to bear contemporary arms. Those rights…flow from the Almighty.

The history (and attendant duty to rebel against tyranny) isn't hard to look up if you don't use CNN/Google;

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Many don't realize that Christians have a right to rebel against oppressive government. Now, I'm well-aware of Romans 13:1-7 and other passages where it says we are to obey duly-constituted authorities, and so were our founders. However, when government requires us to disobey God or denies us our freedoms and natural rights, then as Peter and John told the Sanhedrin, "We must obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29, 4:17-20.

The Book of Judges tells us of many freedom fighters against those who oppressed and enslaved Israel: Ehud, Gideon, Deborah and Barak, Samson, Samuel, and others whom God sent to free His people from tyranny. In the kingdom period, Samuel rebuked Saul for taking too much power, Nathan confronted David over his murder of Uriah, Elijah condemned Ahab for killing Naboth for his property. God requires that leaders be servants of the people, not their masters. 1 Kings 12:7. Daniel defied Kings Nebuchadnezzar over food and Darius over prayer. Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, refused to bow to idols.

Jesus got angry over the cheating of worshippers at the temple and whipped the moneychangers and crooked salesmen out. John 2:14-17. In doing so he forcibly defied the Jewish government.

The Declaration of Independence states that when government becomes oppressive, patriots and Christians have the right and duty to resist unlawful authority. Samuel Adams, one of the Founders who based many of his arguments for liberty on the Bible, said, "Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, the right to life [Self-defense]; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner thy can." Sovereign Duty, p.145.

William Blackstone, whose book on England's common law was the general guide for American lawyers up through the Civil War, stated our legal rights thus:

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To vindicate those rights when actually violated or attacked, the subjects of England are entitled first to the regular administration and free course of justice in the courts of law next to the right of petitioning the King and parliament for redress of grievances and lastly, to the right of having and using arms for self-preservation and defense.

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Why do you care if I am wrong in my religious beliefs though, as a fellow American for purposes of political discussion? Constitutionally, there is a process in our Republic to change the 2nd Amendment. It's in the bill of rights today, and if 'some' don't like it, they can just elect people who will change it.