It's like the leftists here completely ignore page after page of teachers putting themselves on video saying explicitly that they are teaching young children about sexuality and gender identity. It's not about pictures on a desk, or a kid in class saying they have 2 mommies. But they'll continue to bring up absurd hypotheticals while ignoring the blatant video testimonials of deranged leftist teachers. And they'll continue to shriek about how this bill is totally unnecessary, but as was pointed out earlier in the thread, they don't offer any solutions to amend the bill they just want it tossed. That is telling of their true intent.

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It's like the leftists here completely ignore page after page of teachers putting themselves on video saying explicitly that they are teaching young children about sexuality and gender identity. It's not about pictures on a desk, or a kid in class saying they have 2 mommies. But they'll continue to bring up absurd hypotheticals while ignoring the blatant video testimonials of deranged leftist teachers. And they'll continue to shriek about how this bill is totally unnecessary, but as was pointed out earlier in the thread, they don't offer any solutions to amend the bill they just want it tossed. That is telling of their true intent.

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Those activists are still, luckily, the minority. They need to be run out of schools.

But there are likely sane LGB teachers that shouldn't have to censor a basic fact about themselves. Now if they turn it into a PowerPoint on sexual orientation as a whole, throw them out of the school.

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It's pretty easy to know this concern about what is and isn't classroom instruction is disingenuous.

Why?

No one on the left bothered to propose a fix to the bill that would tighten up the language but leave the focus in tact. You know, since certainly the left agrees that 7 year olds shouldn't be formally learning about concepts of sexuality and gender identity, right?

Nope.

The left was intent on opposing the bill in its entirety.

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Is depicting/acknowledging the existence of same sex couples "teaching concepts about sexuality?" I don't mean talking about people having sex. I mean can Heather Have Two Mommies? Can Mrs. Teachersly have a picture of her wife on her desk the same way Mr. Teacherton could? Because if not then damn right people are opposed to it. And certainly opposed to that debate being framed as one about child molestation.

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I know of no person that is saying a word about a teacher having a family picture on their desk…provided that it is just a regular photo and not one depicting lewd or indecent behavior. That's not what any of this is about.

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You don't think anyone has a problem with the teacher having a picture of her wife, or with the idea that she might have a student ask who's in the picture and answer truthfully that it's her wife, and that indeed some women have wives? If not, I suggest you read this thread.

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Answer the question honestly, but anything beyond that needs to be met with "that's something you can discuss with your parents".

That's what some of these teachers are not willing to do. They are seeking validation for their lifestyle choices from elementary students or they are ideologically grooming them to adopt a different set of values from their parents.

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There is everything vague about the bill. Look at a typical bill, generally there are definitions so nothing is misconstrued. Here there are absolutely no definitions in the bill on what counts as "age appropriate." It says nowhere in the bill that the state board of education defines what is age appropriate which would be the case if what you are saying is true.

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It literally says "in accordance with state standards."

Who or what do you think defines state standards?!

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Furthermore, CPS barely helps kids. Regarding things like school counselors, their whole job is to help kids. Including on personal matters. Notifying parents about counseling will limit the amount of kids who go to counseling which hurts the kids who especially need it.

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Schools should not be lying to parents. And that includes lying by omission. Parents, not the school, are responsible for the well-being of their children.

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It says "or age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance to state standards." The state board doesnt decide what is age appropriate in these lines, it decides what is "developmentally appropriate."

So do you think it's okay less kids will be using counseling now out of worry for retaliation from their parents? Because that's exactly what this is. It's taking away a very much needed avenue for a lot of kids.

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Yes, kids should seek counseling at home or church, not a school. I wouldn't trust any school counselors.

Edit: school counselors should be helping kids with school problems, not home problems.

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How are kids going to receive counseling at home for "home problems" (You were better off without your edit)?

I also hate to break it to you, but not everyone belongs to a church. Of course, the statement is a bit bigoted, since by ignoring those who attend synagogues or mosques, it marginalizes those who are not christian. Regardless, it is estimated that less than 20% of Americans attend church on a given weekend. The number who attend weekly would be less than that.

So, if a kid has a "home problem" and doesn't have a church, what is he to do?

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I hate to break i to you, but we get 200 to 400 kids every week at my church and over half of them don't have parents that attend church. About that same number come from broken families. Many are on free school Lunch and somehow they still find a way to church. Sometimes it is with a friend, but all kids have the opportunity to attend a church.

God, through his son Jesus, is the only way out of this mess.

All sinners must repent.

ETA: including myself as a horrible sinner

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Did your teachers not casually use anecdotes from their own lives to illustrate concepts being taught?

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Nope.

I had no insight into any of my teachers' personal lives until 6th grade, when one of my teachers had a son in our Little League.


It's really not hard to avoid discussing personal information.

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OK and do you feel it is inappropriate sharing of personal information and/or "grooming" if Mrs. Teacherford acknowledges or mentions that she has a husband, because it implies there is a sexual relationship there?

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Mentioning the mere existence of the partner and naming them as husband or wife doesn't bother me. But if they start asking value questions, it's probably best for all involved to defer to the parent.

But that stuff is minor compared to the more insidious campaign on gender. No you will not confuse my son on his biological sex by preaching woke nonsense. If leftist do not drop this battle, I will create and support alternative systems. Root for the entire collapse of the system and fight these activists every step of the way.

I will not stand for activists confusing and guilting kids to undermine and destroy families. No. End of discussion.

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I don't want my children exposed to homosexuality ever.

It is not natural and it is a sin. No one is "born" gay.

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It's like the leftists here completely ignore page after page of teachers putting themselves on video saying explicitly that they are teaching young children about sexuality and gender identity. It's not about pictures on a desk, or a kid in class saying they have 2 mommies. But they'll continue to bring up absurd hypotheticals while ignoring the blatant video testimonials of deranged leftist teachers. And they'll continue to shriek about how this bill is totally unnecessary, but as was pointed out earlier in the thread, they don't offer any solutions to amend the bill they just want it tossed. That is telling of their true intent.

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Ding ding ding. If you're a good teacher your students should know little to nothing about your spouse - basically a name at most, nothing about your political affiliation and nothing about your religion.

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I don't want my children exposed to homosexuality ever.

It is not natural and it is a sin. No one is "born" gay.

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Here's another one of those guys who don't exist saying the stuff that nobody is saying.

Ok, so? That view isn't reflected in the legislation.

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I don't want my children exposed to homosexuality ever.

It is not natural and it is a sin. No one is "born" gay.

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Here's another one of those guys who don't exist saying the stuff that nobody is saying.

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I am sorry if my Biblical view of the world hurts your feelings. I will not side with the World on this issue, but rather God.

Humans have all types of depraved behavior: porn, drug and alcohol addiction, etc.

We are told to repent of our sin and then to sin NO MORE.

The love is love community rejects Jesus' teaching and continue (all the while forcing others to fully embrace and punish those who refuse to conform) their sinful behavior.

In other words, you don't toss an alcoholic another margarita.

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sure, that's fair. and then one high school student's parent has an issue with that and sues the school district for discussing the 2015 Obergefell decision in a civics class, arguing that any discussion of this topic before college isnt appropriate. then they spend a bunch of money defending it.

now do you see where my issues with the law come from? this new trend of creating private rights of action is not a good thing.

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That would get tossed. Obergefell is part of the AP Gov curriculum.

I teach Gov/Econ (both AP and Regular) in deep red central Florida. I cover all sorts of controversial stuff regarding race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. I've had far-right religious fundamentalists sitting in the same class with trans kids. Never had a problem, and no parent complaints.

People are so wrapped around the axle about the K-3 part of the bill and saying kids are gonna get tossed out of their homes, and saying there's nothing happening in schools that necessitates this. The actual issue that spurred this on was more about parental rights, hence the actual name of the bill.

Here's an article about what happened: https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/education/parents-file-lawsuit-against-clay-county-schools-say-administrators-didnt-disclose-meetings-about-gender-identity-confusion-district-denies-claims/77-e2a135bd-ef65-4c35-999e-6b39ece496dd

A kid dealing with trans identity tried to kill themselves twice at school before officials ever told parents there was an issue. This is what led to the bill.

Opponents here have disingenuously said that schools will now be required to "out" gay students to their parents. We even had a protest about it on our campus.

Parents must be informed of a change in a student's utilization of campus mental and physical health services. Nothing in there about outing gay kids.

Lies and the lying liars who tell them.

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sure, that's fair. and then one high school student's parent has an issue with that and sues the school district for discussing the 2015 Obergefell decision in a civics class, arguing that any discussion of this topic before college isnt appropriate. then they spend a bunch of money defending it.

now do you see where my issues with the law come from? this new trend of creating private rights of action is not a good thing.

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That would get tossed. Obergefell is part of the AP Gov curriculum.

I teach Gov/Econ (both AP and Regular) in deep red central Florida. I cover all sorts of controversial stuff regarding race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. I've had far-right religious fundamentalists sitting in the same class with trans kids. Never had a problem, and no parent complaints.

People are so wrapped around the axle about the K-3 part of the bill and saying kids are gonna get tossed out of their homes, and saying there's nothing happening in schools that necessitates this. The actual issue that spurred this on was more about parental rights, hence the actual name of the bill.

Here's an article about what happened: https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/education/parents-file-lawsuit-against-clay-county-schools-say-administrators-didnt-disclose-meetings-about-gender-identity-confusion-district-denies-claims/77-e2a135bd-ef65-4c35-999e-6b39ece496dd

A kid dealing with trans identity tried to kill themselves twice at school before officials ever told parents there was an issue. This is what led to the bill.

Opponents here have disingenuously said that schools will now be required to "out" gay students to their parents. We even had a protest about it on our campus.

Parents must be informed of a change in a student's utilization of campus mental and physical health services. Nothing in there about outing gay kids.

Lies and the lying liars who tell them.

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I'm certainly in favor of teachers informing parents about serious mental health issues that they reasonably believe are a danger to the kid's well being. That makes perfect sense.

I'm glad you cover controversial topics and have lots of viewpoint diversity with your students. My concern is based on what is actually going to trigger parents to complain/file suit. I could be completely wrong and it turns out to not be an issue at all. But as a whole I think laws creating private rights of action for a huge array of "complaints" are a bad idea.

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sure, that's fair. and then one high school student's parent has an issue with that and sues the school district for discussing the 2015 Obergefell decision in a civics class, arguing that any discussion of this topic before college isnt appropriate. then they spend a bunch of money defending it.

now do you see where my issues with the law come from? this new trend of creating private rights of action is not a good thing.

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That would get tossed. Obergefell is part of the AP Gov curriculum.

I teach Gov/Econ (both AP and Regular) in deep red central Florida. I cover all sorts of controversial stuff regarding race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. I've had far-right religious fundamentalists sitting in the same class with trans kids. Never had a problem, and no parent complaints.

People are so wrapped around the axle about the K-3 part of the bill and saying kids are gonna get tossed out of their homes, and saying there's nothing happening in schools that necessitates this. The actual issue that spurred this on was more about parental rights, hence the actual name of the bill.

Here's an article about what happened: https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/education/parents-file-lawsuit-against-clay-county-schools-say-administrators-didnt-disclose-meetings-about-gender-identity-confusion-district-denies-claims/77-e2a135bd-ef65-4c35-999e-6b39ece496dd

A kid dealing with trans identity tried to kill themselves twice at school before officials ever told parents there was an issue. This is what led to the bill.

Opponents here have disingenuously said that schools will now be required to "out" gay students to their parents. We even had a protest about it on our campus.

Parents must be informed of a change in a student's utilization of campus mental and physical health services. Nothing in there about outing gay kids.

Lies and the lying liars who tell them.

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I'm certainly in favor of teachers informing parents about serious mental health issues that they reasonably believe are a danger to the kid's well being. That makes perfect sense.

I'm glad you cover controversial topics and have lots of viewpoint diversity with your students. My concern is based on what is actually going to trigger parents to complain/file suit. I could be completely wrong and it turns out to not be an issue at all. But as a whole I think laws creating private rights of action for a huge array of "complaints" are a bad idea.

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There will, of course, be Karens out there but...again...this is for K-3. Hopefully, teachers in those grades just teach and can abstain from dewshbaggery.

Joe Biden says to teachers about their students "they are not somebody else's children. They're yours when you're in the classroom."

No, Joe, they are not "somebody else's children."

They are OUR children. pic.twitter.com/A5wW3ytRQk

— American Principles 🇺🇸 (@approject) April 27, 2022

Based on the governments track record with the wards they currently Are responsible for, how could anyone support the government taking more responsibility for raising children?

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Based on the governments track record with the wards they currently Are responsible for, how could anyone support the government taking more responsibility for raising children?

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Remember how the government used to take Native American children from their parents so the government could raise them?

Remember how well that worked?