Will DeSantis and Grabbit make it so state employees not visit Colorado on state business like lib places did for Texas 'cause of the bathroom bill years back?

larry culpepper said:

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So where in this bill does it say abortion is allowed through the entire pregnancy term? Am I missing something? Sounds like Lila Rose is misleading/inflaming people.

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(3) A FERTILIZED EGG, EMBRYO, OR FETUS DOES NOT HAVE INDEPENDENT OR DERIVATIVE RIGHTS UNDER THE LAWS OF THIS STATE.

By Colorado law, a fetus is denied the fundamental right to live. Nowhere in the law does it specifically define at what point a fetus becomes a person.

combat wombat said:

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Hell, wouldn't it be easier to kill that full-term baby right after it leaves the birth canal? Probably safer for "mom", too. Who's gonna know? They'll never know.

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Of course it is safer for the mom to kill it afterwards. That will be the next step. If you think the baby murders will stop at this milestone, they won't. This will be an easy sell for them since they already have hooked their believers that abortion is a women's health issue. Getting post birth abortion will be a no-brainer. They'll say something like, 'as long as the baby is still attached by the umbilical cord, it hasn't been fully born yet'.

Can there be a challenge to this?

GeorgiAg said:

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I wouldn't want to have a wife/GF/daughter have one but I support the right to choose up the first trimester or so, but nine months?

Gross.

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Why wouldn't you want your wife/gf/daughter to have one?

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Tanya 93 said:

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Kvetch said:

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Martin Cash said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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I wouldn't want to have a wife/GF/daughter have one but I support the right to choose up the first trimester or so, but nine months?

Gross.

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3 months old is just as sick as 9. Murder is murder. If there's nothing wrong with it, why do you prefer not to be associate with people that get them?

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People ought to have he right to their own religious belief system and 3 months looks like a human-lizard chimera. It's not viable.

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Neither is a 6 month old child.

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Do you mean 6 months in the womb? Or 6 months after birth?

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Did you really just ask that question?

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Because both are viable without the uterus owner.

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How many 6 month olds out there thriving on their own? Oh wait, they still depend on their mother to survive. Got it.

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Get your stars because no kids ever get adopted

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You're right, you can give up for adoption instead of murder your baby.

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I know.

Hence me saying they can survive.

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The statement was that a 6month old fetus wasn't viable, and then the same was said about a 6month old, which is true, as in "on their own".

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This viability point they present is false. How many people are viable on their own? 99.99% of the population probably go to a grocery store and need someone to provide their water supply for them in order to survive.

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GeorgiAg said:

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I wouldn't want to have a wife/GF/daughter have one but I support the right to choose up the first trimester or so, but nine months?

Gross.

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Why wouldn't you want your wife/gf/daughter to have one?

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Maybe because he doesn't want his wife/GF/daughter to be a murderer????

Martin Cash said:

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JAW3336 said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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I wouldn't want to have a wife/GF/daughter have one but I support the right to choose up the first trimester or so, but nine months?

Gross.

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Why wouldn't you want your wife/gf/daughter to have one?

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Maybe because he doesn't want his wife/GF/daughter to be a murderer????

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Oh, sure....something about murdering glass houses....or ..something.

Martin Cash said:

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JAW3336 said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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I wouldn't want to have a wife/GF/daughter have one but I support the right to choose up the first trimester or so, but nine months?

Gross.

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Why wouldn't you want your wife/gf/daughter to have one?

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Maybe because he doesn't want his wife/GF/daughter to be a murderer????

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He's a white liberal male who supported Biden and Kamala, he very likely doesn't have a wife/GF/daughter. Not picking on him, just going by statistics and years of observation.

Anyone who supports this bill and sees this as the "right thing" is beyond repair and will never be welcomed around my family.

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Martin Cash said:

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JAW3336 said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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I wouldn't want to have a wife/GF/daughter have one but I support the right to choose up the first trimester or so, but nine months?

Gross.

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Why wouldn't you want your wife/gf/daughter to have one?

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Maybe because he doesn't want his wife/GF/daughter to be a murderer????

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He's a white liberal male who supported Biden and Kamala, he very likely doesn't have a wife/GF/daughter. Not picking on him, just going by statistics and years of observation.

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Perhaps he believes something can be legal but not the right thing.

I don't see any issue with this.

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Kvetch said:

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Marcus Brutus said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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Martin Cash said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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Kvetch said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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I wouldn't want to have a wife/GF/daughter have one but I support the right to choose up the first trimester or so, but nine months?

Gross.

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3 months old is just as sick as 9. Murder is murder. If there's nothing wrong with it, why do you prefer not to be associate with people that get them?

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People ought to have he right to their own religious belief system and 3 months looks like a human-lizard chimera. It's not viable.

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Neither is a 6 month old child.

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Do you mean 6 months in the womb? Or 6 months after birth?

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Did you really just ask that question?

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Yes

Because both are viable without the uterus owner.

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How many 6 month olds out there thriving on their own? Oh wait, they still depend on their mother to survive. Got it.

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Get your stars because no kids ever get adopted

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You're right, you can give up for adoption instead of murder your baby.

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I know.

Hence me saying they can survive.

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My point is that you've embraced this artificial line of "viable." No infant is viable without support from their caretaker. The whole line that abortion is ok because you're not a person until some magical line of viability is absurd. It's especially absurd because nobody on the left can give you a specific point of viability. Because the point of viability is when you become a distinct human being, at conception.

And you've expressed support for abortion in the past, so I'm operating under the assumption that you don't oppose abortion "pre-viability."

Silent screams can only be heard by our Heavenly Father. He wont tolerate this much longer.

Tanya 93 said:

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Martin Cash said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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I wouldn't want to have a wife/GF/daughter have one but I support the right to choose up the first trimester or so, but nine months?

Gross.

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Why wouldn't you want your wife/gf/daughter to have one?

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Maybe because he doesn't want his wife/GF/daughter to be a murderer????

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He's a white liberal male who supported Biden and Kamala, he very likely doesn't have a wife/GF/daughter. Not picking on him, just going by statistics and years of observation.

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Perhaps he believes something can be legal but not the right thing.

I don't see any issue with this.

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Laws are a reflection of what society believes is right. Allowing something you believe is murder to be legal and not voting to change that is moral cowardice.

I have always said viability constantly changes as technology does.

Do your thing.

I know what I have posted on this board for 23 years.

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larry culpepper said:

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So where in this bill does it say abortion is allowed through the entire pregnancy term? Am I missing something? Sounds like Lila Rose is misleading/inflaming people.

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(3) A FERTILIZED EGG, EMBRYO, OR FETUS DOES NOT HAVE INDEPENDENT OR DERIVATIVE RIGHTS UNDER THE LAWS OF THIS STATE.

By Colorado law, a fetus is denied the fundamental right to live. Nowhere in the law does it specifically define at what point a fetus becomes a person.

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I'm shocked that Larry is going to try to defend this. Maybe he should go look at the images in the link I posted.

Not that it matters to anyone posting here, but this law doesn't change anything in Colorado. It simply codifies what already existed and "guarantees access to reproductive care before and after pregnancy and bans local governments from imposing their own restrictions." This was done in anticipation of Roe v Wade being overturned. States' rights and all.

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I have always said viability constantly changes as technology does.

Do your thing.

I know what I have posted on this board for 23 years.

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That is an incoherent standard. Personhood cannot be based on technology. There has to be a definite point at which life begins and murder becomes murder.

Not to mention, it doesn't take any technology for that person to continue growing past the point where technology can make it "viable." I don't really care what you've said for 23 years; you can be consistently wrong. If you're going to defend evil, at least have a good standard.

IMHO, the delineating criteria for abortion should be cognition rather than viability. Cognition is already used for other scenarios, such as right-to-die and animal rights cases.

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We continue telling Sodom and Gomorrah "hold my beer".

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Africa kills and victimizes more kids than we do.
That place is getting hit first.

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Buzzy said:

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This is the natural response for all of the recent anti-abortion bills of late. Keep trying to make it impossible for women to get an abortion, expect liberal states to slap back.

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This is either a very dishonest or completely ignorant post. Either way, not surprising.

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Buzzy's post is neither of these things - he's absolutely correct.

It's exactly why Colorado and a handful of other states are codifying the right to abortion into state law. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colorado-abortion-law-2022-governor-jared-polis-signs-bill/

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"Colorado Democrats cited the high court's consideration of a Mississippi case that could overrule Roe v. Wade, as well as a new Texas law banning abortions after about six weeks of pregnancy. If Roe is overturned fully, at least 26 states are likely to either ban abortion outright or severely limit access, the Guttmacher Institute says.

"We don't want to ever see what's happening in Texas to happen in Colorado," said House Majority Leader Rep. Daneya Esgar, a sponsor of the Colorado legislation."

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IMHO, the delineating criteria for abortion should be cognition rather than viability. Cognition is already used for other scenarios, such as right-to-die and animal rights cases.

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So if someone is in a medically induced coma, it's not murder to kill them because they aren't cognitively aware?

Also, people are not akin to animals. Are you a PETA card carrier?

Janabean02 said:

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Not that it matters to anyone posting here, but this law doesn't change anything in Colorado. It simply codifies what already existed and "guarantees access to reproductive care before and after pregnancy and bans local governments from imposing their own restrictions." This was done in anticipation of Roe v Wade being overturned. States' rights and all.

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Roe v Wade does nothing for "reproductive care", so why would it being reversed need this?
No state has removed any reproductive care.

Martin Cash said:

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JAW3336 said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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I wouldn't want to have a wife/GF/daughter have one but I support the right to choose up the first trimester or so, but nine months?

Gross.

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Why wouldn't you want your wife/gf/daughter to have one?

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Maybe because he doesn't want his wife/GF/daughter to be a murderer????

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except that hes said he is ok with abortions. Just not for someone he knows.

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IMHO, the delineating criteria for abortion should be cognition rather than viability. Cognition is already used for other scenarios, such as right-to-die and animal rights cases.

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Well there hasn't been a coherent thought thats come out of the Democrat Party in decades...but that doesnt make it OK to kill all Democrats.

I did like how they masked ugly chicks from 2020-2022.

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At the football game in Denver last September, we had Colorado fans yell at us, "At least my wife can have an abortion!"

We were dumbfounded.

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You should have yelled back, "Too bad your mom agreed with me and not you when you were being born!"

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IMHO, the delineating criteria for abortion should be cognition rather than viability. Cognition is already used for other scenarios, such as right-to-die and animal rights cases.

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Or ...and this might be a controversial take....




If you're part of the 98% of abortions that aren't incest/rape/medical and are too stupid (with all of the "tech" available) to not get pregnant, you and the sperm donor should be permanently sterilized.

BigRobSA said:

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Janabean02 said:

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Not that it matters to anyone posting here, but this law doesn't change anything in Colorado. It simply codifies what already existed and "guarantees access to reproductive care before and after pregnancy and bans local governments from imposing their own restrictions." This was done in anticipation of Roe v Wade being overturned. States' rights and all.

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Roe v Wade does nothing for "reproductive care", so why would it being reversed need this?
No state has removed any reproductive care.

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ok, i'm not going to argue semantics. just trying to share information about the new law.

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BuddysBud said:

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larry culpepper said:

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So where in this bill does it say abortion is allowed through the entire pregnancy term? Am I missing something? Sounds like Lila Rose is misleading/inflaming people.

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(3) A FERTILIZED EGG, EMBRYO, OR FETUS DOES NOT HAVE INDEPENDENT OR DERIVATIVE RIGHTS UNDER THE LAWS OF THIS STATE.

By Colorado law, a fetus is denied the fundamental right to live. Nowhere in the law does it specifically define at what point a fetus becomes a person.

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I'm shocked that Larry is going to try to defend this. Maybe he should go look at the images in the link I posted.

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Calm down. I haven't defended full term abortion and I won't, because I think it's bad policy.

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BigRobSA said:

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Janabean02 said:

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Not that it matters to anyone posting here, but this law doesn't change anything in Colorado. It simply codifies what already existed and "guarantees access to reproductive care before and after pregnancy and bans local governments from imposing their own restrictions." This was done in anticipation of Roe v Wade being overturned. States' rights and all.

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Roe v Wade does nothing for "reproductive care", so why would it being reversed need this?
No state has removed any reproductive care.

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ok, i'm not going to argue semantics. just trying to share information about the new law.

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Something like 2% of abortions are for health/rape/incest ...the other 98% are due to, honestly, people too ****ing dumb to not get pregnant. 50% of abortions are #2, or more. That's a murderous form of birth control. All because the nefarious actors are ****ing morons.

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GeorgiAg said:

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I wouldn't want to have a wife/GF/daughter have one but I support the right to choose up the first trimester or so, but nine months?

Gross.

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Why wouldn't you want your wife/gf/daughter to have one?

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I don't think it's right, but I'm not here to impose my beliefs on other people. If they got one, (and I know people who have) I wouldn't be in the face ranting about hell and crap. It's an agonizing decision for them but an easy on for those on forum 16 (probably 95% old white dudes).

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Buzzy said:

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This is the natural response for all of the recent anti-abortion bills of late. Keep trying to make it impossible for women to get an abortion, expect liberal states to slap back.

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This is either a very dishonest or completely ignorant post. Either way, not surprising.

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Buzzy's post is neither of these things - he's absolutely correct.

It's exactly why Colorado and a handful of other states are codifying the right to abortion into state law. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colorado-abortion-law-2022-governor-jared-polis-signs-bill/

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"Colorado Democrats cited the high court's consideration of a Mississippi case that could overrule Roe v. Wade, as well as a new Texas law banning abortions after about six weeks of pregnancy. If Roe is overturned fully, at least 26 states are likely to either ban abortion outright or severely limit access, the Guttmacher Institute says.

"We don't want to ever see what's happening in Texas to happen in Colorado," said House Majority Leader Rep. Daneya Esgar, a sponsor of the Colorado legislation."

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What state is it impossible to get an abortion in? That's what he said.

And fighting for the "right" to kill babies is f'ing disgusting.

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JAW3336 said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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I wouldn't want to have a wife/GF/daughter have one but I support the right to choose up the first trimester or so, but nine months?

Gross.

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Why wouldn't you want your wife/gf/daughter to have one?

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I don't think it's right, but I'm not here to impose my beliefs on other people. If they got one, (and I know people who have) I wouldn't be in the face ranting about hell and crap. It's an agonizing decision for them but an easy on for those on forum 16 (probably 95% old white dudes).

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You showed back up to post that? Replace the concept of abortion with murder and let me know if your logic holds there.

There's a reason it's an agonizing decision. you don't have to yell at people that they're going to hell to express contempt for pieces of **** that murder babies.

larry culpepper said:

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Kvetch said:

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BuddysBud said:

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larry culpepper said:

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So where in this bill does it say abortion is allowed through the entire pregnancy term? Am I missing something? Sounds like Lila Rose is misleading/inflaming people.

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(3) A FERTILIZED EGG, EMBRYO, OR FETUS DOES NOT HAVE INDEPENDENT OR DERIVATIVE RIGHTS UNDER THE LAWS OF THIS STATE.

By Colorado law, a fetus is denied the fundamental right to live. Nowhere in the law does it specifically define at what point a fetus becomes a person.

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I'm shocked that Larry is going to try to defend this. Maybe he should go look at the images in the link I posted.

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Calm down. I haven't defended full term abortion and I won't, because I think it's bad policy.

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Why is that? At what age is killing babies ok to you?