That is interesting, thx. The picture seems to imply the customer/car driver has to show up with the chord/plug for both ends, and then leave it there to charge for 4-10 hours.

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It's Electric is focused on building so-called Level 2 chargers, which use comparatively little electricity but take between 4 and 10 hours to fully charge a vehicle. These are ideal for neighborhoods where people plan to charge their car overnight.

Level 3 chargers, like the ones at the newly opened hub from startup Gravity on 42nd street, can fully charge a car in less than an hour but require far more energy which is why the Department of Transportation's Office of Energy and Transportation are pushing for seven times more Level 2 than Level 3 chargers to be built.

It's Electric has raised a total of $11.8 million from major venture capital firms like Brooklyn Bridge Ventures and Uber, which is betting the company can help it get more electrical vehicles into the ride-share business.

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Given the crime rates in NYC/Manhattan, I would certainly not think many people would feel comfortable leaving it unattended without the plug/charger cord getting stolen for the precious metals inside. Am I missing something though?

Separately, the 'Ordinary Citizen' comment is also interesting:

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The math in this article does not add up.

Info from the article:

• New York City alone expects EV registrations to jump from today's 62,000 to about 3 million in that time frame. [by 2030]
• It's Electric ... is aiming to help NYC's charging network grow from 1,400 EV chargers to 10,000 by 2030.
• Department of Transportation's Office of Energy and Transportation are pushing for seven times more Level 2 [between 4 and 10 hours to fully charge] than Level 3 chargers to be built.

So in 2030, we will have 1250 L3 [fast] chargers and 8750 L2 (4-10 hr) chargers in the city to charge 3 million vehicles. Let's assume 1 hr/charge for L3 and 6 hrs/charge for L2, a fully utilized L3 charger can charge 24 cars a day. That's 30,000 total / day with 1250 of them. A fully utilized L2 charger will charge 4 vehicles per day - that's another 35,000 vehicles. NYC will, according to this article have 3 million EVs and the ability to charge only 65,000 / day....and that's not even accounting for broken chargers, time with nobody charging, times with double parked trucks blocking chargers, people plugging into the L2s overnight even though they're fully charged.....

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None of the math on this stuff adds up in my mind, and that's before adding in BEV self-driving taxi's, etc. Maybe BEV's just are that much less practical in highly congested urban areas because the charge time:location calculus means it is a real problem to risk running low within these areas, as adoption rates increase (if so).

Y'all spent Christmas morning on the "I hate EV's" thread?

I let my brother try out my Model 3 Performance yesterday. A couple 0-100 runs, and he's hooked.

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That is interesting, thx. The picture seems to imply the customer/car driver has to show up with the chord/plug for both ends, and then leave it there to charge for 4-10 hours.

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It's Electric is focused on building so-called Level 2 chargers, which use comparatively little electricity but take between 4 and 10 hours to fully charge a vehicle. These are ideal for neighborhoods where people plan to charge their car overnight.

Level 3 chargers, like the ones at the newly opened hub from startup Gravity on 42nd street, can fully charge a car in less than an hour but require far more energy which is why the Department of Transportation's Office of Energy and Transportation are pushing for seven times more Level 2 than Level 3 chargers to be built.

It's Electric has raised a total of $11.8 million from major venture capital firms like Brooklyn Bridge Ventures and Uber, which is betting the company can help it get more electrical vehicles into the ride-share business.

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Given the crime rates in NYC/Manhattan, I would certainly not think many people would feel comfortable leaving it unattended without the plug/charger cord getting stolen for the precious metals inside. Am I missing something though?

Separately, the 'Ordinary Citizen' comment is also interesting:

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The math in this article does not add up.

Info from the article:

• New York City alone expects EV registrations to jump from today's 62,000 to about 3 million in that time frame. [by 2030]
• It's Electric ... is aiming to help NYC's charging network grow from 1,400 EV chargers to 10,000 by 2030.
• Department of Transportation's Office of Energy and Transportation are pushing for seven times more Level 2 [between 4 and 10 hours to fully charge] than Level 3 chargers to be built.

So in 2030, we will have 1250 L3 [fast] chargers and 8750 L2 (4-10 hr) chargers in the city to charge 3 million vehicles. Let's assume 1 hr/charge for L3 and 6 hrs/charge for L2, a fully utilized L3 charger can charge 24 cars a day. That's 30,000 total / day with 1250 of them. A fully utilized L2 charger will charge 4 vehicles per day - that's another 35,000 vehicles. NYC will, according to this article have 3 million EVs and the ability to charge only 65,000 / day....and that's not even accounting for broken chargers, time with nobody charging, times with double parked trucks blocking chargers, people plugging into the L2s overnight even though they're fully charged.....

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None of the math on this stuff adds up in my mind, and that's before adding in BEV self-driving taxi's, etc. Maybe BEV's just are that much less practical in highly congested urban areas because the charge time:location calculus means it is a real problem to risk running low within these areas, as adoption rates increase (if so).

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From what I can tell, the issue prohibiting adoption in the big cities is, no one has a home charger. They have to park out in the street or in a parking garage. This start up aims to try and alleviate the issue by (in effect) running an extension cord from people's houses/apartments out to the street for a public charger.

Yeah it takes hours at Level Two but the thinking is people will be parked all night out on the street anyway.

Dunno about the crime but you're right. Successive D*mocrat mayors since Giuliani have turned that place into a cesspool.

It's not an extension cord though, it's a mini version of a physical gas pump, with no over-the-sidewalk cord. So, there is infrastructure/permitting required but it seems like a feasible partial solution, to a problem we could avoid, yet I doubt these wouldn't be heavily vandalized. The picture in the article made me question whether the cords are user or service provided.

As we know how crime-ridden the NYC subway is (another electrical solution that has deteriorated over time under Dem governance to a death-trap), I find it hard to believe these things would survive more than a month on the street.

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It's not an extension cord though, it's a mini version of a physical gas pump, with no over-the-sidewalk cord. So, there is infrastructure/permitting required but it seems like a feasible partial solution, to a problem we could avoid, yet I doubt these wouldn't be heavily vandalized. The picture in the article made me question whether the cords are user or service provided.

As we know how crime-ridden the NYC subway is (another electrical solution that has deteriorated over time under Dem governance to a death-trap), I find it hard to believe these things would survive more than a month on the street.

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Yes should have put extension cord in quotes.

https://nypost.com/2024/12/25/business/these-5-auto-recalls-affected-the-largest-number-of-vehicles-in-2024/

Top 5 recalls for 2024.

1. Tesla small font issue 2.19 million vehicles (OTA fix).

2. Ford A-pillar trim 1.88 million vehicles.

3. Tesla hood latch software 1.85 million vehicles (OTA fix).

4. Honda steering gearbox 1.68 million vehicles.

5. Multiple makes with faulty rearview camera 1.03 million vehicles.

As we can see Tesla continues leading the way.

techno-ag said:

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https://nypost.com/2024/12/25/business/these-5-auto-recalls-affected-the-largest-number-of-vehicles-in-2024/

Top 5 recalls for 2024.

1. Tesla small font issue 2.19 million vehicles (OTA fix).

2. Ford A-pillar trim 1.88 million vehicles.

3. Tesla hood latch software 1.85 million vehicles (OTA fix).

4. Honda steering gearbox 1.68 million vehicles.

5. Multiple makes with faulty rearview camera 1.03 million vehicles.

As we can see Tesla continues leading the way.

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"recalls"

Teslag said:

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techno-ag said:

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https://nypost.com/2024/12/25/business/these-5-auto-recalls-affected-the-largest-number-of-vehicles-in-2024/

Top 5 recalls for 2024.

1. Tesla small font issue 2.19 million vehicles (OTA fix).

2. Ford A-pillar trim 1.88 million vehicles.

3. Tesla hood latch software 1.85 million vehicles (OTA fix).

4. Honda steering gearbox 1.68 million vehicles.

5. Multiple makes with faulty rearview camera 1.03 million vehicles.

As we can see Tesla continues leading the way.

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Font size of the display is a way bigger safety risk than things like a steering gearbox failure. How can you be so dense as to not understand that.

I am convinced. Those recalls are too much for me to deal with. Trading my Tesla in so I can have an ICE where I have to actually drive the car to the dealership then wait for the pain.

Just took my Chevy to the dealership b/c of a error code. Dealership told me it will be 3 dys before someone who specializes in said error code can look at it because he is not available. Got a call saying everyone was fine and it was a computer glitch.

Easy, quick fix he said. My chevy is driving fine and error code gone. It only took 4 dys to get this profound issue fixed. I mean, why even attempt to have 2024 technology where you can fix the computer glitch by OTA updates when you can bring it in to the dealership the old fashion way.

I have an iphone and just very frustrated that issues are fixed with firmware updates. I demand to take it to the apple store and wait 3-4 dys for my phone to be updated. How dare electronic manufacturers send firmware updates to fix issues when it could easily be done by taking it back to the store.

Notable to have 2 of the top 5 in total recalls by manufacturer when they're outside the top 5 total sales by manufacturer. Maybe even outside the top 10? Can't remember. Either way, I'll wait a few more years until the kinks are worked out.

Best not to risk owning a vehicle with font that's too small until it gets fixed in your garage requiring no action

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Notable to have 2 of the top 5 in total recalls by manufacturer when they're outside the top 5 total sales by manufacturer. Maybe even outside the top 10? Can't remember. Either way, I'll wait a few more years until the kinks are worked out.

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Ford has made F-Series trucks for over 73 years. My '21 F150 has had three recalls that required trips to the dealer:
-Wiper motor that could fail at any time
-Wiper blade that could fracture at the base
-Wire that could short out on the rear axle causing the parking brake to engage while driving

How many additional years until the kinks are worked out on the F-Series?

tk for tu juan said:

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Ford has made F-Series trucks for over 73 years. My '21 F150 has had three recalls that required trips to the dealer:
-Wiper motor that could fail at any time
-Wiper blade that could fracture at the base
-Wire that could short out on the rear axle causing the parking brake to engage while driving

How many additional years until the kinks are worked out on the F-Series?

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Well there's the rub. We're told Tesla is a technology company, not a car company. Sure enough many of their recalls are OTA software updates. The question then is how many of those happen until the bugs are worked out?

techno-ag said:

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tk for tu juan said:

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Ford has made F-Series trucks for over 73 years. My '21 F150 has had three recalls that required trips to the dealer:
-Wiper motor that could fail at any time
-Wiper blade that could fracture at the base
-Wire that could short out on the rear axle causing the parking brake to engage while driving

How many additional years until the kinks are worked out on the F-Series?

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Well there's the rub. We're told Tesla is a technology company, not a car company. Sure enough many of their recalls are OTA software updates. The question then is how many of those happen until the bugs are worked out?

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It sounds like the other poster bought a truck manufactured during Covid lockdowns. I've always heard there are more issues with vehicles made in that time but never looked into the data.

I don't follow ford but did they redesign the F-150 in 2019-2021? Growing up my parents always avoided the 1st 1-2 years after a body update or model redesign for the same reason, wait until the kinks are worked out.

The post-Covid F150s had more issues than the first year of the redesign (2021). Microchip shortages forced Ford to make third party supplier changes after the redesign. Some introduced additional quality problems for Ford.

Point is every design iterative creates a new set of problems that aren't found until after the vehicles are sold to the user. The kinks are never fully resolved, some are just easier to fix than others.

The government told me I should be concerned about this thing this company did so therefore I am very concerned about what this company did. - Independent Thinkers

Good point.

The problem with saying well my cellphone gets OTA updates all the time is, you're not relying on your phone to transport your body around.

Cars are a whole nuther thing. We used to joke about why you'd never see Windows in cars with its constant updates and blue screen of death at 70 mph, but here we are.