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Maybe, in a few decades it will get there. Not likely to happen in most texags posters lifetimes.
Think of where tech was 30 years ago. It's moving way faster than your timeline. Technology doesn't advance in a linear fashion.
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Maybe, in a few decades it will get there. Not likely to happen in most texags posters lifetimes.
My point is that the regulators move at a glacial pace.hph6203 said:
That it will, but it will not take decades.
The person I'm responding to has gone from it will not happen, to it will happen but as a function of government dictate that seemingly adapts the roads to fit an autonomous vehicle rather than an autonomous vehicle that fits to the road, as he has said our roads are not built for autonomous vehicles and if I'm recalling correctly he has said computers are not capable of parsing the necessary information to effectively drive a car on our roads and never will be.
The weird thing is that the European regulators are much better than ours...nortex97 said:
There are certain places in some cities it could make sense near term, imho. Picture; manhattan, San Fran, or part of Washington DC for example (reaching out from the mall to Georgetown/Alexandria even). The commonality would be areas with limited entry/exit points, dense traffic, and heavy rail/bus transit systems already in place. Of course, you'd really need to clean up crime and also decrease manned vehicle traffic, imho, as well as things like bicycle traffic (which would be a fringe benefit).
I'm really not an advocate but could see it working if that stuff happened. I think it will happen more in European cities that have banned cars from some places already first, though, frankly. It's tough to see democrats agreeing to the improvements/reduction in crime etc. necessary in our cities for that to happen any time soon.
I can so see Elon doing that.JayM said:
So what does Texas A&M and Elon Musk want to do? Bore two interconnected tunnels under the A&M campus sites and transport 3000 students per hour on new-fangled Tesla EV transit busses?
Teslag said:Quote:
Maybe, in a few decades it will get there. Not likely to happen in most texags posters lifetimes.
Think of where tech was 30 years ago. It's moving way faster than your timeline. Technology doesn't advance in a linear fashion.
JayM said:
So what does Texas A&M and Elon Musk want to do? Bore two interconnected tunnels under the A&M campus sites and transport 3000 students per hour on new-fangled Tesla EV transit busses?
Who?mikejones! said:JayM said:
So what does Texas A&M and Elon Musk want to do? Bore two interconnected tunnels under the A&M campus sites and transport 3000 students per hour on new-fangled Tesla EV transit busses?
A college campus seems like a great spot to develop and trust his bussing system. In fact, TAMU seems like a great place to do a lot of his development.
He could build tunnels, test rockets, test transit systems, test autonomous cars and probably get a lotta student input, local capital, political capital, positive community engagement.
Do it, Aggies
He's trying to get this going. I'm sure A&M, the state and some fed money will be needed to do it. It's kind of a big deal. And when he sends a spur out to RELLIS, it will be a very big deal. The RELLIS thing is my thought. I don't think they are planning on doing that. But RELLIS is where the new mini nuclear reactors will be I think.No Spin Ag said:I can so see Elon doing that.JayM said:
So what does Texas A&M and Elon Musk want to do? Bore two interconnected tunnels under the A&M campus sites and transport 3000 students per hour on new-fangled Tesla EV transit busses?
He has helped the entire planet change what vehicles use for energy, and if anyone can do this, a la "eff it, why not," it's someone with F'k you money.
He for some reason thinks only EVs can be autonomous. He loves his Devastating and Utopia is just around the corner quotes because he can't come up with better discussion points. He also should change is name to AntitechnoAg because he for some reason thinks that technology advancement either can't happen or shouldn't happen.Teslag said:
Are you actually trying to make some kind of point?
PlaneCrashGuy said:Kansas Kid said:
Yeah but it used to be you were told you have to worry about them burning your house down. Now, it has been upgraded to your house having a bomb go off.
We ignore the fact that gasoline, once it is vaporized, is designed to explode because gasoline fires never burn down a house or other structures.
Have you figured out how to quickly extinguish an EV fire yet? A simple "no" will suffice.
True but AI research in particular has a boom/bust history.Teslag said:Quote:
Maybe, in a few decades it will get there. Not likely to happen in most texags posters lifetimes.
Think of where tech was 30 years ago. It's moving way faster than your timeline. Technology doesn't advance in a linear fashion.
Well, since I was only talking about cars, I was.hph6203 said:
Who said the metric was all cars?
Europe is absolutely not going down this path first. Tesla is approved to operate their supervised system in every state in the U.S. Europe they are not. They have been working for a year to get it approved and it's not expected until next year, around the same time China permits it.
Waymo is approved to operate in Phoenix, San Francisco, Los Angeles, soon to be Austin and Atlanta and has done non-commercial testing in New York. They are already doing 100,000 paid driverless rides every week. To my knowledge there's not a single Level 4 operator in Europe.
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Help me out here.
We have a closed transportation system of sorts. A railroad network. We can't seem to make those vehicles autonomous. I wonder why? The lack of advancement towards autonomy on our rail network is more than 'only' money.
Nope. Not even close. Go back your pie in the sky dreams.hph6203 said:
Just to be clear you're asking why the conductors specifically haven't been replaced by an automated system?
Nope.Kansas Kid said:bobbranco said:
Help me out here.
We have a closed transportation system of sorts. A railroad network. We can't seem to make those vehicles autonomous. I wonder why? The lack of advancement towards autonomy on our rail network is more than 'only' money.
Can you say powerful unions?
Just like the ports could be largely automated over the next 5-10 years but the union walked out to ban/greatly limit automation.
Nope meaning what? Non-US ports are ahead of us with automation so there is absolutely opportunity here that the unions are blocking.bobbranco said:Nope.Kansas Kid said:bobbranco said:
Help me out here.
We have a closed transportation system of sorts. A railroad network. We can't seem to make those vehicles autonomous. I wonder why? The lack of advancement towards autonomy on our rail network is more than 'only' money.
Can you say powerful unions?
Just like the ports could be largely automated over the next 5-10 years but the union walked out to ban/greatly limit automation.
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I asked you to clarify what you were asking, and instead of doing that you just gave some non-descript response, which is not uncommon for people such as you. It is endless snark, little substance. You're not exhibiting your knowledge, you're just using obscurity to portray yourself as knowledgeable. That is not me saying you are not, but you're doing a terrible job of showing it.
My intuitive answer to your question is that the addressable market of rail automation is exceedingly small relative to the automation of autonomous driving. 3% of workers in the U.S. are employed as their primary source of income as drivers of automobiles, a non-insignificant proportion of workers also make money part time doing the same. 30% of all workers have some form of driving required by their occupation. That is a much larger addressable market than freight rail, and doesn't even get into the markets created by radically reducing the cost of road transport for goods and services, nor the addressable market of individuals that would switch their driving habits from personal driving to driving services.
Basically, despite the relative complexity the potential reward of automating road transport far exceeds the potential reward from automating rail transport. You're talking about trillions of dollars annually in potential for automating road transport, what is the potential reward for automating rail?
I'm not knowledgeable about trains. I did not grow up wearing a tiny little conductor hat, blowing a train whistle, and going chugga chugga, chugga chugga choo choo for fun. If you have a different perspective feel free to share it rather than acting like you're the supreme keeper of knowledge that must keep that knowledge to himself.
There are not robots that can fully automate ports.YouBet said:Nope meaning what? Non-US ports are ahead of us with automation so there is absolutely opportunity here that the unions are blocking.bobbranco said:Nope.Kansas Kid said:bobbranco said:
Help me out here.
We have a closed transportation system of sorts. A railroad network. We can't seem to make those vehicles autonomous. I wonder why? The lack of advancement towards autonomy on our rail network is more than 'only' money.
Can you say powerful unions?
Just like the ports could be largely automated over the next 5-10 years but the union walked out to ban/greatly limit automation.
Tons of electric vehicle fires, other posters provided for you.Kansas Kid said:I sure hope as a guy with the name planecrashguy you never get in a plane because if they crash, the consequences are way worse than a car crash. Ignore the probability of said crash because all that matters are the consequence according to you. I assume you want to ban all planes as well.PlaneCrashGuy said:Kansas Kid said:
Yeah but it used to be you were told you have to worry about them burning your house down. Now, it has been upgraded to your house having a bomb go off.
We ignore the fact that gasoline, once it is vaporized, is designed to explode because gasoline fires never burn down a house or other structures.
Have you figured out how to quickly extinguish an EV fire yet? A simple "no" will suffice.
Also, go show me an explosion of an EV. This is the EVidians trying to exaggerate the narrative. I can show you gasoline explosions and have seen one first hand in a refinery.
According to Wikipedia:Teslag said:
We just saw a massive rocket literally land itself back on the same tower it launched from and people on this thread are outright dismissing the ability of a car to drive itself down a road.
And the rocket and car are being built by the same guy no less.
No humans on board so no major risk of human life but would you ride in an airplane with that kind of landing success?Quote:
Falcon 9 first-stage boosters landed successfully in 353 of 365 attempts (96.7%)
Teslag said:
We just saw a massive rocket literally land itself back on the same tower it launched from and people on this thread are outright dismissing the ability of a car to drive itself down a road.
And the rocket and car are being built by the same guy no less.
ntxVol said:According to Wikipedia:Teslag said:
We just saw a massive rocket literally land itself back on the same tower it launched from and people on this thread are outright dismissing the ability of a car to drive itself down a road.
And the rocket and car are being built by the same guy no less.No humans on board so no major risk of human life but would you ride in an airplane with that kind of landing success?Quote:
Falcon 9 first-stage boosters landed successfully in 353 of 365 attempts (96.7%)