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'Who charges every day?': Woman says buying a Tesla is the 'worst mistake' of her life.
Myth vs. Reality:
— Car Dealership Guy (@GuyDealership) June 19, 2024
“EVs wear tires down faster than gas cars”@teamuveye just published a graph containing tire data from over 100K vehicles…
The result?
Reality — EVs consistently received more tire tread depth alerts than ICE cars, especially as the vehicles aged.
But… pic.twitter.com/l0VBiFHL0o
Yeah. Like post says:FIDO*98* said:
Now adjust that for pedal control. It's fun to go fast. Tires are the price you pay
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There is a huge (and growing) opportunity for dealers and independent repair shops to expand their business through tire sales.
While this chick is a complete idiot, she will NOT be the only one.techno-ag said:
https://www.dailydot.com/news/tesla-owner-no-home-charger-regrets-car/Quote:
'Who charges every day?': Woman says buying a Tesla is the 'worst mistake' of her life.
techno-ag said:We know. EV utopia is just around the corner.Kansas Kid said:nortex97 said:
I think the point is, per the headline, most aren't gonna do that.All the data points considered, it sounds like around 7 percent (or maybe 10 or 12, especially outside of California etc.) will continue to be the new vehicle registration rate for BEV's, imho. A niche market, in essence.Quote:
About 4 in 10 U.S. adults say they would be at least somewhat likely to buy an EV the next time they buy a car, according to the poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research and the Energy Policy Institute at the University of Chicago, while 46% say they are not too likely or not at all likely to purchase one.
Yet you always like to post things that greatly exaggerate and twist things to try to support your positions and say things like a large majority don't want EVs when your own source says less than 50%. Your sources loose a lot of credibility as a result.
You are welcome to your opinions but when you twist facts to try to fit your preferred narrative you lose credibility. As a reminder, I am on record here as saying in the foreseeable future, EVs won't make up a majority of new car sales and in a 20-40% view in the US.
There's more to it than just go fast, vehicle weight is a big part of the increased wear and EVs are much heavier on average. This increases the tire dust pollution significantly versus equivalent ICE vehicles. Brake dust isn't as big of a factor thanks to regenerative braking.FIDO*98* said:
Now adjust that for pedal control. It's fun to go fast. Tires are the price you pay
Boring fast, but fast yes. The weight is more of a function of effective range than acceleration. They could/can build a light weight EV that accelerates rapidly, but it's going to have dog **** range.FIDO*98* said:
If they weren't so heavy, they wouldn't go so fast. Small price to pay
No idea, but that particulate matter is going somewhere and there is more of it produced by EVs. Something the watermelons should consider in their hapless pursuit of a more "environmentally friendly" vehicle. They won't consider it though, because the propaganda tells them EVs good and what's good based on the propaganda is what's good for Democrat and their donors.bmks270 said:
Did "tire dust pollution" ever harm anything?
Usually I'd say looks aren't worth THAT much on a vehicle, but...GAC06 said:
2024 BMW M3 weight: 3,840-3,990lbs
2024 Tesla Model 3 Performance: 4,048lbs
BMW M3 Competition: 0-60 in 2.9, 1/4 mile in 11.0
Tesla Model 3 Performance: 0-60 in 2.9, 1/4 mile in 10.92
BMW M3 Competition: $86,475 (109k as tested by car and driver LOL)
Tesla Model 3 Performance: $54,990 (without tax incentives)
GAC06 said:
Well I see the winking face, and styling is subjective (you drive a wrangler after all right?) but to me they've come a long way styling-wise. I certainly wouldn't say "ugly"
aggieforester05 said:No idea, but that particulate matter is going somewhere and there is more of it produced by EVs. Something the watermelons should consider in their hapless pursuit of a more "environmentally friendly" vehicle. They won't consider it though, because the propaganda tells them EVs good and what's good based on the propaganda is what's good for Democrat and their donors.bmks270 said:
Did "tire dust pollution" ever harm anything?
bmks270 said:aggieforester05 said:No idea, but that particulate matter is going somewhere and there is more of it produced by EVs. Something the watermelons should consider in their hapless pursuit of a more "environmentally friendly" vehicle. They won't consider it though, because the propaganda tells them EVs good and what's good based on the propaganda is what's good for Democrat and their donors.bmks270 said:
Did "tire dust pollution" ever harm anything?
This is stupid though. No one knew of "tire dust" before this thing with EVs because I bet tire dust never harmed anything. And I bet a little extra from EVs won't harm anything either, except the consumers who may be needing tires more frequently.
aggieforester05 said:bmks270 said:aggieforester05 said:No idea, but that particulate matter is going somewhere and there is more of it produced by EVs. Something the watermelons should consider in their hapless pursuit of a more "environmentally friendly" vehicle. They won't consider it though, because the propaganda tells them EVs good and what's good based on the propaganda is what's good for Democrat and their donors.bmks270 said:
Did "tire dust pollution" ever harm anything?
This is stupid though. No one knew of "tire dust" before this thing with EVs because I bet tire dust never harmed anything. And I bet a little extra from EVs won't harm anything either, except the consumers who may be needing tires more frequently.
Yeah, maybe so, but it's a great way to **** with the watermelons that are deathly affraid of CO2.
Ag with kids said:GAC06 said:
Well I see the winking face, and styling is subjective (you drive a wrangler after all right?) but to me they've come a long way styling-wise. I certainly wouldn't say "ugly"
Ok...it's MEH...
It looks likes pretty much all the dorky cars in the rental lot when I'm looking to pick out something to drive. Which is why I end up picking something like a truck or SUV. But, never a Camaro again - just had one and it sucked.
And yeah, I drive a Wrangler...The 4wd helps on the beach. And it looks better than that.
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Renee Sanchez says she's a big fan of Tesla, but what happened to her recently has changed her mind.
The Scottsdale grandmother tells On Your Side that she loaded her 20-month-old granddaughter into her car seat for a trip to the Phoenix Zoo.
"And I closed the door, went around the car, get in the front seat, and my car was dead," she said. "I could not get in. My phone key wouldn't open it. My card key wouldn't open it."
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Sanchez tells On Your Side she had no option but to call 911, which immediately sent out Scottsdale firefighters.
"And when they got here, the first thing they said was, 'Uggh, it's a Tesla. We can't get in these cars,'" she said. "And I said, 'I don't care if you have to cut my car in half. Just get her out.'"
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The 12-volt battery that powers the car's electronics died without warning.
Tesla drivers are supposed to receive three warnings before that happens, but the Tesla service department confirmed that Sanchez didn't receive any warnings.
"When that battery goes, you're dead in the water," she said.
On Your Side has learned there is a way for drivers to unlock their cars when they're stuck outside, but it's a complicated series of time-consuming steps involving wires and battery chargers.
aggieforester05 said:
So they have a 12 volt battery to power the electronics like an ICE car in a car sitting on a gigantic battery pack? LOL...Somebody should tell Tesla engineers about transformers and inverters. Seriously WTF?
Kansas Kid said:aggieforester05 said:
So they have a 12 volt battery to power the electronics like an ICE car in a car sitting on a gigantic battery pack? LOL...Somebody should tell Tesla engineers about transformers and inverters. Seriously WTF?
How do you think they charge the 12 volt???? Remember there is no alternator in the car. You get one guess.
Ag with kids said:Kansas Kid said:aggieforester05 said:
So they have a 12 volt battery to power the electronics like an ICE car in a car sitting on a gigantic battery pack? LOL...Somebody should tell Tesla engineers about transformers and inverters. Seriously WTF?
How do you think they charge the 12 volt???? Remember there is no alternator in the car. You get one guess.
There is a knockout in the front bumper that has contactors that you can connect a jumper box/other 12v battery to. If the 12v battery is actually dead this will open the front trunk, allow access to the 12v battery, jump the vehicle, open the door. It is not a complicated process, it is minimally more complicated than jumping a dead car battery.techno-ag said:
Lack of an easy manual door opener like most every other car has is one of their stupidest design decisions.
https://www.azfamily.com/2024/06/20/toddler-trapped-car-when-tesla-battery-dies-scottsdale/Quote:
Renee Sanchez says she's a big fan of Tesla, but what happened to her recently has changed her mind.
The Scottsdale grandmother tells On Your Side that she loaded her 20-month-old granddaughter into her car seat for a trip to the Phoenix Zoo.
"And I closed the door, went around the car, get in the front seat, and my car was dead," she said. "I could not get in. My phone key wouldn't open it. My card key wouldn't open it."
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Sanchez tells On Your Side she had no option but to call 911, which immediately sent out Scottsdale firefighters.
"And when they got here, the first thing they said was, 'Uggh, it's a Tesla. We can't get in these cars,'" she said. "And I said, 'I don't care if you have to cut my car in half. Just get her out.'"
…
The 12-volt battery that powers the car's electronics died without warning.
Tesla drivers are supposed to receive three warnings before that happens, but the Tesla service department confirmed that Sanchez didn't receive any warnings.
"When that battery goes, you're dead in the water," she said.
On Your Side has learned there is a way for drivers to unlock their cars when they're stuck outside, but it's a complicated series of time-consuming steps involving wires and battery chargers.
Using a transformer or inverter that is already pulling from a massive 300-400 volt battery that gives them damn near endless 12 VDC on tap without the need for a separate battery. Seems like poor engineering to me. If it's a power consumption issue caused by the inverter, it seems like they could easily engineer around that. The fact that the car bricks when that little 12 VDC battery dies is insane and a huge safety issue as evidenced by this article. Even if there is a work around, it is clearly known by few people.Kansas Kid said:aggieforester05 said:
So they have a 12 volt battery to power the electronics like an ICE car in a car sitting on a gigantic battery pack? LOL...Somebody should tell Tesla engineers about transformers and inverters. Seriously WTF?
How do you think they charge the 12 volt???? Remember there is no alternator in the car. You get one guess.
Or they could, you know, have physically linked door handles instead of electric ones.aggieforester05 said:Using a transformer or inverter that is already pulling from a massive 300-400 volt battery that gives them near endless 12 VDC on tap without the need for a separate battery. Seems like poor engineering to me. If it's a power consumption issue caused by the inverter, it seems like they could easily engineer around that. The fact that the car bricks when that little 12 VDC battery dies is insane and a huge safety issue as evidenced by this article. Even if there is a work around, it is clearly known by few people.Kansas Kid said:aggieforester05 said:
So they have a 12 volt battery to power the electronics like an ICE car in a car sitting on a gigantic battery pack? LOL...Somebody should tell Tesla engineers about transformers and inverters. Seriously WTF?
How do you think they charge the 12 volt???? Remember there is no alternator in the car. You get one guess.
I say the same about the idiotic 10 minute idle limit on my Silverado. It will turn off while idling in the summer heat. If someone were to leave their child or animal inside (rightly or wrongly, not here to debate that) they could bake to death over some idiotic emissions control limitation.
