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bobbranco said:

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Teslag said:

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bobbranco said:

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Teslag said:

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texsn95 said:

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Teslag said:

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Why would you spend $80k on a Tesla instead of $40k?

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Why the **** do you care so much?

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Becaus it's a message board he obviously didn't know how much they really cost. Just repeating the same tired Teslas are expensive trope.

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Wrong. Again. And. Again.

Model X.

*Price before incentives and savings is $77,990, excluding taxes and fees. Subject to change.

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And their best selling models are all below the national new car average.

It doesn't hurt to do a little research on this topic.

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I did. Price can be about $80k.
Quit your equivocation.

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A freaking truck can be over $80k as well. A lambo can be $500k. Why is any of that relevant?

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A used car can cost $9,542. It's a choice. Maybe somebody wanted an $80k car not the $9,542 used car. Not the point.

Medaggie said:

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Thanks Anti EVers, you have made my life better. I understand now why EVs are never a good option. Just sold my MY and went to pick up my new 75K BMW X5. Only took me 2 hrs waiting for the sales guy, then the manager Guido came after pushing me to buy about 10K add ons. Something like paint protection, extended warranty, Better wheels/tires, some headliner upgrade. I really didn't understand but its OK, only 10K more.

So out the door for only 85K and 3 hours.

But my life is now better getting away from the Model Y. I just saved 60 minutes a year that I typically use at Superchargers. So what when I ordered my Model Y, it took me 10 minutes to drive off after spending 15 minutes clicking about 5 options knowing the exact price.

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Taking this to the next level of serious business.

Stop questioning the Anti EVers. Nothing matters. It is just bad for everyone. Get with the program.

Some people can do sarcasm to great effect. But others... not so much

bobbranco said:

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MaxPower said:

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bobbranco said:

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Teslag said:

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bobbranco said:

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Teslag said:

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texsn95 said:

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Teslag said:

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Why would you spend $80k on a Tesla instead of $40k?

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Why the **** do you care so much?

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Becaus it's a message board he obviously didn't know how much they really cost. Just repeating the same tired Teslas are expensive trope.

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Wrong. Again. And. Again.

Model X.

*Price before incentives and savings is $77,990, excluding taxes and fees. Subject to change.

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And their best selling models are all below the national new car average.

It doesn't hurt to do a little research on this topic.

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I did. Price can be about $80k.
Quit your equivocation.

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A freaking truck can be over $80k as well. A lambo can be $500k. Why is any of that relevant?

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A used car can cost $9,542. It's a choice. Maybe somebody wanted an $80k car not the $9,542 used car. Not the point.

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We know full what the point was. That Teslas are still expensive cars. He had no idea they weren't. It's been a running trope since this thread started.

Teslag said:

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bobbranco said:

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MaxPower said:

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bobbranco said:

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Teslag said:

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bobbranco said:

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Teslag said:

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texsn95 said:

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Teslag said:

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Why would you spend $80k on a Tesla instead of $40k?

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Why the **** do you care so much?

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Becaus it's a message board he obviously didn't know how much they really cost. Just repeating the same tired Teslas are expensive trope.

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Wrong. Again. And. Again.

Model X.

*Price before incentives and savings is $77,990, excluding taxes and fees. Subject to change.

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And their best selling models are all below the national new car average.

It doesn't hurt to do a little research on this topic.

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I did. Price can be about $80k.
Quit your equivocation.

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A freaking truck can be over $80k as well. A lambo can be $500k. Why is any of that relevant?

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A used car can cost $9,542. It's a choice. Maybe somebody wanted an $80k car not the $9,542 used car. Not the point.

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We know full what the point was. That Teslas are still expensive cars. He had no idea they weren't. It's been a running trope since this thread started.

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Maybe he did not want the lower end and lower quality model.

Did you forget there is a range of price or do you want to only argue? I believe it is the latter. Have a great day.

I think the basic disconnect is the frequency that superchargers are relevant. I've owned a Tesla for two years and literally never used one and never gotten close to running out of charge. However, a) I can charge with a 230v outlet at roughly 10 miles of range an hour and b) my wife has an ICE for any longer trips I or the family need to make. If I didn't have a) and b) then I wouldn't own one. It's the perfect second car for a family that lives in a house (or apartment that has charging solutions). It can work for other scenarios but it's definitely a pain if you go on long road trips or maybe have a job where you are on the road all day.

Long story short, it works for more situations than one might believe but there's definitely cons that won't work for some people.

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Some people can do sarcasm to great effect. But others... not so much

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Yes. The sarcasm is poorly conveyed.

I don't think I would even own a Tesla if we had to be a one car family

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I don't think I would even own a Tesla if we had to be a one car family

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I'd add the caveat that"with today's technology". I suspect the charging speed will become irrelevant in the next 5 years. Once you get to 20-80% in <15 min for a 300+ mile range car it won't really matter much. An ICE would still be better for road trips but it wouldn't be such a massive difference that most people would have it at the top of their concerns when making a buying decision.

Motion sickness a real issue to some EV drivers and passengers. Anyone experience this?

https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/motion-sickness-electric-cars/

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'I need a solution fast': Electric car owners complain of motion sickness

Here's why electric cars might make you more carsick than conventional vehicles and some strategies you can use to fix it.
by Zane Dobie

With it beginning to look like an electric-only future, you might soon find yourself in an electric vehicle, wondering why you're feeling much more carsick than when riding in an internal combustion car (ICE).


It's slowly become one of the most popular questions on Reddit in the EV and Tesla threads: "Why do electric cars make me feel sick?". One user even said they questioned buying a Tesla Model Y because of it.

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https://theconversation.com/how-electric-and-automated-cars-are-aggravating-motion-sickness-204790

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How electric and automated cars are aggravating motion sickness
Published: May 3, 2023 1:16pm EDT

.....Vehicle electrification: fewer landmarks and more sudden movements
By nature, an electric motor is more linear and quiet than a combustion engine. This advantage has the downside of preventing certain car users from assimilating the movement of the vehicle. For example, whereas we would associate acceleration with the engine revving in classic cars, electric cars suddenly deprive us of this reference point. Also gone are the combustion engine's vibrations, which some perceive as soothing.

The use of regenerative braking, which captures the kinetic energy from braking and converts it into the electrical power that charges the vehicle's high voltage battery, can also upset passengers' balance. The decelerations induced by this system are usually low frequency, which is typical of a sickness-inducing motion force.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/why-electric-vehicles-are-causing-motion-sickness-in-drivers-passengers/ar-BB1mm77u

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Why electric vehicles are causing motion sickness in drivers, passengers

An oft-touted advantage of owning an electric vehicle is one-pedal driving, when drivers can slow down a vehicle simply by lifting off the throttle.

But as more Americans swap their gas-powered cars and trucks for an EV, some are also realizing there are drawbacks to the one-pedal lifestyle.

"It can cause some people to get sick," John Voelcker, a former editor of Green Car Reports and a contributing editor at Car and Driver, told ABC News. "Strong regenerative braking, which recaptures max energy, can cause motion sickness. There is a learning curve to lifting off the accelerator in an EV ... you have to modulate it."

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Every EV owner on this board touts their negatives, of which there are quite a few. None to my knowledge support the mandates. We don't think they are for everyone. We think they will never replace ICE vehicles in totally. But we do like them and will no doubt correct some incorrect things by non owners.


None of that is obsessive or evangelical.

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There are some on here that hand wave away EVERY negative.

And also a number on here that think ICE are going the way of the Dodo quite soon.

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Teslag said:

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Every EV owner on this board touts their negatives, of which there are quite a few. None to my knowledge support the mandates. We don't think they are for everyone. We think they will never replace ICE vehicles in totally. But we do like them and will no doubt correct some incorrect things by non owners.


None of that is obsessive or evangelical.

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There are some on here that hand wave away EVERY negative.

And also a number on here that think ICE are going the way of the Dodo quite soon.

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Those negatives usually get presented as overly broad, or are subjective in themselves. Is stopping at an L3 rapid charger on a long road trip for 20-30 minutes that big of a burden? Yes, its not as quick as filling up with gas, but people are usually doing more than that. I'm lucky to get out of Buc-ee's in 20-30 minutes. Do the vast majority of people really have 150 mile commutes uphill each way to make the daily driver use case untenable. Do households just have one vehicle?

Certainly there are shortcomings, but the bread and butter case of a daily driver commuting from a place where you can reliably charge overnight is pretty solid.

"And also a number on here that think ICE are going the way of the Dodo quite soon."

I've followed this thread from the beginning. I can't name a single poster who thinks ICE is disappearing anytime soon. Can you?

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Blue cities: all in on "green" agenda + zero enforcement of petty crime = ...

Tesla charging stations in the Bay area have all their charge cords cut for their copper.

Enjoy the world you voted for. pic.twitter.com/m1g7b1KK9v

— Gen-X Digital Soldier (@GenXDigitalSold) May 14, 2024

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When is the last time thugs stole the gas pump hose ?

No reason to put some common sense in this thread. I have said the same many times over but now convinced by the EVers that I was wrong.

So what I average 35K miles/yr driving and use a supercharger about 3 times a year for about 60 minutes. Nothing else matters because I am wasting that previous 60 minutes. Who cares that I would have spent 5+ hours at gas stations.

Just move on, there is no place for EVs ever in this world. Don't believe tech and charging advancements will happen. Lets just put our heads in the sand and praise ICE vehicles.

No need to actually read. The Anti Ev-ers just put words they hear on reddit/facebook or whatever media they blindly follow. I hear posters on here who are positive on Evs accused of things that they never said but who cares about actually reading and getting educated.

There was a bunch of them vandalized in 2021 and 2022 like this one.

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"And also a number on here that think ICE are going the way of the Dodo quite soon."

I've followed this thread from the beginning. I can't name a single poster who thinks ICE is disappearing anytime soon. Can you?

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There've been at least 2 posters on here that have said that.

Thread is too long to go back and dig out the posts, though...

This is probably the equivalent of "you shouldn't buy an ICE because you could get your gas siphoned." Sometimes you just get ****ed and there's nothing you can do about it.

Different note, I just went to a Tesla showroom to look at the Model Y (Tesla is offering 0.99% financing on it right now, so great time to get one). I really wanted to like it, but the second row bench seat is small and cramped, and the ceiling over the trunk space is so low that I don't think my 75 pound dog could even stand up back there.

Tesla deliveries by quarter, blue bar is Model 3/Y and black bar is all other models
https://www.statista.com/statistics/801157/tesla-quarterly-vehicle-deliveries-by-model/

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Build It said:

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"And also a number on here that think ICE are going the way of the Dodo quite soon."

I've followed this thread from the beginning. I can't name a single poster who thinks ICE is disappearing anytime soon. Can you?

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There's been at least 2 posters on here that have said that.

Thread is too long to go back and dig out the posts, though...

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"Utopia is just around the corner" is a popular sentiment.

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No need to actually read. The Anti Ev-ers just put words they hear on reddit/facebook or whatever media they blindly follow. I hear posters on here who are positive on Evs accused of things that they never said but who cares about actually reading and getting educated.

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lol. So much hurt.

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"Utopia is just around the corner"

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That is what I say to myself every time I am close to getting a Porsche 911, then they keep raising the price

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"Utopia is just around the corner"

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That is what I say to myself every time I am close to getting a Porsche 911, then they keep raising the price

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Amen to that. Every time I get close, they raise the price again and I end up buying something else. I did have a Cayman S once, which I loved and really taught me just how good their cars are though.

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Stop questioning the Anti EVers. Nothing matters. It is just bad for everyone. Get with the program.

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Dude you need to step away from the keyboard and go get some fresh air. All I can think about when I read your posts is the Pepe Silvia meme. That and just laughing at the fact that you apparently have issues losing your car and your wife has managed to forget her keys but somehow had her car with her so you had to take her a spare set. I'm still trying to figure out how you get somewhere in your car while forgetting your keys.

Nio takes on the Model Y at a lower price point.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckr5rmg0d58o.amp

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Chinese electric vehicle (EV) maker Nio has unveiled the first car from its new lower-priced brand Onvo, in a direct challenge to Tesla's best-selling car.

With prices starting at 219,900 yuan ($30,465), the L60 SUV is more than 10% cheaper than the world's most popular EV, Tesla's Model Y, which has a price tag of 249,900 yuan.

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Whelp, so long to their remaining China sales.

techno-ag said:

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Nio takes on the Model Y at a lower price point.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckr5rmg0d58o.amp

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Chinese electric vehicle (EV) maker Nio has unveiled the first car from its new lower-priced brand Onvo, in a direct challenge to Tesla's best-selling car.

With prices starting at 219,900 yuan ($30,465), the L60 SUV is more than 10% cheaper than the world's most popular EV, Tesla's Model Y, which has a price tag of 249,900 yuan.

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Whelp, so long to their remaining China sales.

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Because people choose vehicles strictly on price? What a simplistic take that has over a century of empirical data to disprove your position that Tesla will be unable to sell any cars in China now but then again, you like simplistic views…..

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techno-ag said:

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Nio takes on the Model Y at a lower price point.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckr5rmg0d58o.amp

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Chinese electric vehicle (EV) maker Nio has unveiled the first car from its new lower-priced brand Onvo, in a direct challenge to Tesla's best-selling car.

With prices starting at 219,900 yuan ($30,465), the L60 SUV is more than 10% cheaper than the world's most popular EV, Tesla's Model Y, which has a price tag of 249,900 yuan.

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Whelp, so long to their remaining China sales.

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Because people choose vehicles strictly on price? What a simplistic take that has over a century of empirical data to disprove your position that Tesla will be unable to sell any cars in China now but then again, you like simplistic views…..

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As usual you have taken a simple statement and twisted it. Do have a link that shows Chinese consumers will NOT prefer a lower priced domestic vehicle?

Coming to south of the border, PHEV truck from China.

You: EVs aren't getting cheaper to produce. That's EV Utopianism.

Also you: This EV is getting cheaper than Tesla, they're doomed.


Not realizing that Tesla hasn't had the cheapest models in China, ever. That's not even the cheapest Model Y competitor. BYD announced their BYD Sea Lion 07 last week, starting price $26,000.

You post 7+ times a day about this topic and you're almost completely ignorant at the same time. I can't even understand why a person that doesn't like something would devote this much negative energy towards it.

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Nio takes on the Model Y at a lower price point.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckr5rmg0d58o.amp

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Chinese electric vehicle (EV) maker Nio has unveiled the first car from its new lower-priced brand Onvo, in a direct challenge to Tesla's best-selling car.

With prices starting at 219,900 yuan ($30,465), the L60 SUV is more than 10% cheaper than the world's most popular EV, Tesla's Model Y, which has a price tag of 249,900 yuan.

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Whelp, so long to their remaining China sales.

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Because people choose vehicles strictly on price? What a simplistic take that has over a century of empirical data to disprove your position that Tesla will be unable to sell any cars in China now but then again, you like simplistic views…..

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As usual you have taken a simple statement and twisted it. Do have a link that shows Chinese consumers will NOT prefer a lower priced domestic vehicle?

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If they only choose on price, there would only be one car sold, one type of garment purchased, one cell phone devise in the country, etc. I know common sense isn't common with some people. While some prefer lower price, there are 1000s of things that go into a purchase decision other than price.

So, no link?

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So, no link?

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You need a link to see that consumers don't always choose the lowest priced item? Really?