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EV sales up 29% in the 4th quarter, up 122% in the past two years.

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/01/14/us-ev-market-grows-29-in-4th-quarter-tesla-holds-56-market-share/

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The US electric vehicle market continues to grow despite many headlines implying the contrary. In the 4th quarter, sales of full battery-electric vehicles (BEVs) were up 29% compared to sales in the 4th quarter of 2022. Compared to the 4th quarter of 2021, sales were up 122%.

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And of course the Model Y, America's favorite car, has a lot to do with it.

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The Model Y is not America's favorite car for 2023. The RAV 4 sold more. And the sales of the Model Y are 'estimated' so we really don't know the numbers. It barely beat the Honda CRV.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars-2023/

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If Automotive News' estimates can be believed, the Model Y had a huge year.

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Best selling car in America is the Toyota Camry.
Best selling SUV in America is the Toyota RAV4.
Best selling Pickup Truck in America is the Ford F150.

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Whoa! You mean the narrative we've been reading here all last year by EV proponents was slanted? Say it isn't so!

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EV sales up 29% in the 4th quarter, up 122% in the past two years.

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/01/14/us-ev-market-grows-29-in-4th-quarter-tesla-holds-56-market-share/

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The US electric vehicle market continues to grow despite many headlines implying the contrary. In the 4th quarter, sales of full battery-electric vehicles (BEVs) were up 29% compared to sales in the 4th quarter of 2022. Compared to the 4th quarter of 2021, sales were up 122%.

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And of course the Model Y, America's favorite car, has a lot to do with it.

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The Model Y is not America's favorite car for 2023. The RAV 4 sold more. And the sales of the Model Y are 'estimated' so we really don't know the numbers. It barely beat the Honda CRV.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars-2023/

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If Automotive News' estimates can be believed, the Model Y had a huge year.

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Best selling car in America is the Toyota Camry.
Best selling SUV in America is the Toyota RAV4.
Best selling Pickup Truck in America is the Ford F150.

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But you told us the other day that the Model Y wasn't an SUV.

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I found the photo of those cars lined up for get juice. Shocking how long it was. If you have to rely on public chargers for daily driving because you can't charge at home, EVs are not a good option for most people.

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Wowzers. That's got to be the biggest example yet of whataboutism I've seen on this thread. And that's including hundreds of teslag's posts.

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That and it had absolutely nothing to do with the limitations of the car and was something created by the Feds screwing up. Two situations are not remotely comparable.

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And yet they still had to wait in line. Same outcome. There have also been long lines before and after hurricanes and other natural and man made disasters. No car works without its fuel of choice. EVs, ICE, hydrogen, or anything else.

If Hawg want to be a doomsday prepper and install solar at her ranch, she could charge her EV. I would love someone to tell me how she could make her own gasoline for her car after the tanks she has run out. [I am not proposing she do it but it is an option].

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I found the photo of those cars lined up for get juice. Shocking how long it was.

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Amaizing how the Dems messed up and created that first energy crisis.

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That's part of their 'lessons learned' this time around. They want to sabotage the market/Americans so that no future Ronald Reagan can fix it quickly.

Without a doubt, Reagan helped fix this issue by doing things like ending all price controls on oil shortly after taking office and letting the market solve problems. Unfortunately, most politicians today on both sides of the aisle aren't about letting the free market work or solving the problems in this country. They want to maximize followers on line and get on TV to give talking points while the issues of this country get worse.

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I found the photo of those cars lined up for get juice. Shocking how long it was. If you have to rely on public chargers for daily driving because you can't charge at home, EVs are not a good option for most people.

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Wowzers. That's got to be the biggest example yet of whataboutism I've seen on this thread. And that's including hundreds of teslag's posts.

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That and it had absolutely nothing to do with the limitations of the car and was something created by the Feds screwing up. Two situations are not remotely comparable.

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And yet they still had to wait in line. Same outcome. There have also been long lines before and after hurricanes and other natural and man made disasters. No car works without its fuel of choice. EVs, ICE, hydrogen, or anything else.

If Hawg want to be a doomsday prepper and install solar at her ranch, she could charge her EV. I would love someone to tell me how she could make her own gasoline for her car after the tanks she has run out. [I am not proposing she do it but it is an option].

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They had to wait in line because of the Feds.

EV's are waiting in line b/c they don't work well in cold weather.

Not the same.

But keep moving the goal posts.

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EV's are waiting in line b/c they don't work well in cold weather.

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They work just fine if they aren't owned by idiots.

The results are the same. If you are saying stupid Fed policies cause gas lines and EV lines are caused by owner stupidity, I will take the EV all day long since I can charge at home. I have full faith in the Feds to screw things up, repeatedly.

Dude drives a cybertruck from Austin to Cali. Charging time added an extra 7 hours to the trip.

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The Cybertruck Foundation Series has an estimated range of 320 miles on its all-wheel drive option. But, Wang said, at times, it felt as if that range was cut in half. The pair stopped 12 times during the 1,340-mile trip, which rounds out to just more than 110 miles between charges, and Wang said they stopped every one to two hours to recharge. While the pair took turns driving straight through the night, he said, the stops turned what could have been a 20-hour road trip into a 27-hour one.
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One unexpected difficulty: charging the car. Wang said that when he stopped to use Tesla's Superchargers, many didn't appear to be designed with the Cybertruck's larger size in mind.

"You had to back up as far as possible to the parking stop for the cable to reach, and sometimes the cable was barely long enough to plug into the car," he said.

Plus, he said the Cybertruck's infotainment system in the front of the car glitched about 12 hours into the trip, and the screen went black. The YouTuber said the screen still appeared to be responsive when they tapped on it but was no longer backlit, so the two men had to rely on the Tesla app to control some of the vehicle's features.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-cybertruck-driver-road-trip-issues-ev-2024-1?amp

Like they say, if you're driving an EV you can't be in a hurry.

Will Trump if elected remove all restrictions on gas powered cars?

Weird stories of frustrated Tesla drivers. Must be fake news from diesel/oil companies.

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Desperate Tesla owners in and around Chicago were seen trying to charge their vehicles with no luck amid frigid temperatures that have gripped the Midwest.

Charging stations have essentially turned into car graveyards in recent days as temperatures have dropped to the negative double digits, Fox Chicago reported.

"Nothing. No juice. Still on zero percent," Tyler Beard, who had been trying to recharge his Tesla at an Oak Brook, Illinois Tesla supercharging station since Sunday afternoon, told the news outlet. "And this is like three hours being out here after being out here three hours yesterday."

Beard and several other Tesla owners were trying to charge their cars amid long lines and abandoned cars at other Tesla charging stations in the Chicago area, the news station reported.

"This is crazy. It's a disaster. Seriously," said Tesla owner Chalis Mizelle.

Mizelle said she abandoned her car and got a ride from a friend after hers would not charge.

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They should try using electricity generated from solar power, or maybe mount a wind mill to their roof.

That's like literally the 5th time that story has been posted in 24 hours. Must be a slow day on the slow drivers front.

It's literally on the last two pages

The people having problems charging in the cold can't charge at home, why did they buy an EV?

At home you can at least heat your garage.

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The people having problems charging in the cold can't charge at home, why did they buy an EV?

At home you can at least heat your garage.

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You want people to heat their garage so they can charge their car? Where do you live?

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The people having problems charging in the cold can't charge at home, why did they buy an EV?

At home you can at least heat your garage.

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You want people to heat their garage so they can charge their car? Where do you live?

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There is no need to heat your garage to charge an EV. Not sure where bmks got that idea.

I do think people in northern climates that get an EV need to have the ability to charge at home or have another vehicle, preferably not diesel since the fuel can gel at the temps they see in parts of Canada and the Upper Midwest. Of course, I think for most people, an EV is best used as the second vehicle and not the only vehicle no matter where they live assuming they want to long trips or travel into the middle of no where.

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I found the photo of those cars lined up for get juice. Shocking how long it was. If you have to rely on public chargers for daily driving because you can't charge at home, EVs are not a good option for most people.

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None of them staring at their phones either. What did they do?

Sex in the back seat.

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Sex in the back seat.

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Good point - there was more of that

That and actually having a face-to-face conversation in person (which led to sex if it was a coed).

Books on 8-track?

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That's like literally the 5th time that story has been posted in 24 hours. Must be a slow day on the slow drivers front.

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You're really floundering today

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That's like literally the 5th time that story has been posted in 24 hours. Must be a slow day on the slow drivers front.

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You're really floundering today

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Your obsession with me is noted

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The results are the same. If you are saying stupid Fed policies cause gas lines and EV lines are caused by owner stupidity, I will take the EV all day long since I can charge at home. I have full faith in the Feds to screw things up, repeatedly.

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Not if the power grid is down or the sun is not shining for your solar panels (or hawks).

I guess you could use your gas generator to charge.

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The results are the same. If you are saying stupid Fed policies cause gas lines and EV lines are caused by owner stupidity, I will take the EV all day long since I can charge at home. I have full faith in the Feds to screw things up, repeatedly.

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Not if the power grid is down or the sun is not shining for your solar panels (or hawks).

I guess you could use your gas generator to charge.

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So how will you get gas out of the pump without electrify since most gas station don't have backup generators? Also, most EV owners keep their battery at 70-80% each night because it is easy to do.

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The results are the same. If you are saying stupid Fed policies cause gas lines and EV lines are caused by owner stupidity, I will take the EV all day long since I can charge at home. I have full faith in the Feds to screw things up, repeatedly.

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Not if the power grid is down or the sun is not shining for your solar panels (or hawks).

I guess you could use your gas generator to charge.

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If the grid is down you can't use a gas pump either.

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Kansas Kid said:

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The results are the same. If you are saying stupid Fed policies cause gas lines and EV lines are caused by owner stupidity, I will take the EV all day long since I can charge at home. I have full faith in the Feds to screw things up, repeatedly.

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Not if the power grid is down or the sun is not shining for your solar panels (or hawks).

I guess you could use your gas generator to charge.

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So how will you get gas out of the pump without electrify since most gas station don't have backup generators? Also, most EV owners keep their battery at 70-80% each night because it is easy to do.

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Btw, my comment assumes you aren't in specific location in Florida and La where the government has mandated certain stations near highways that are also evacuation routes to have backup generators. In that case, you can get gas if the grid is down which would be better than the EV situation.

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Kansas Kid said:

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Kansas Kid said:

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The results are the same. If you are saying stupid Fed policies cause gas lines and EV lines are caused by owner stupidity, I will take the EV all day long since I can charge at home. I have full faith in the Feds to screw things up, repeatedly.

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Not if the power grid is down or the sun is not shining for your solar panels (or hawks).

I guess you could use your gas generator to charge.

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So how will you get gas out of the pump without electrify since most gas station don't have backup generators? Also, most EV owners keep their battery at 70-80% each night because it is easy to do.

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Btw, my comment assumes you aren't in specific location in Florida and La where the government has mandated certain stations near highways that are also evacuation routes to have backup generators. In that case, you can get gas if the grid is down which would be better than the EV situation.

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Wow, a government regulation to prop up ICE vehicles?

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The results are the same. If you are saying stupid Fed policies cause gas lines and EV lines are caused by owner stupidity, I will take the EV all day long since I can charge at home. I have full faith in the Feds to screw things up, repeatedly.

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Not if the power grid is down or the sun is not shining for your solar panels (or hawks).

I guess you could use your gas generator to charge.

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So how will you get gas out of the pump without electrify since most gas station don't have backup generators? Also, most EV owners keep their battery at 70-80% each night because it is easy to do.

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Btw, my comment assumes you aren't in specific location in Florida and La where the government has mandated certain stations near highways that are also evacuation routes to have backup generators. In that case, you can get gas if the grid is down which would be better than the EV situation.

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Wow, a government regulation to prop up ICE vehicles?

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read it again.

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Many people don't realize that electric cars have been around for more than 100 years. One might think that the fact they have never caught on is more than a coincidence.

Yesterday, Robert Bryce provided testimony on electric vehicles to the Senate's Committee on Energy and Natural Resources. His testimony is reproduced at his Substack site. It is all worth reading; here is an excerpt:

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The history of the EV is a century of failure tailgating failure. In 1901, in an article headlined "Edison's New Storage Battery," the Los Angeles Times declared, "The electric automobile will quickly and easily take precedence over all other" types of motor vehicles. It said, "If the claims which Mr. Edison makes for his new battery be not overstated, there is not much doubt that it will make a fortune for somebody."[ii] The media hype continued for the next 100 years:

* In 1911, the New York Times reported that the electric car "has long been recognized as the ideal solution" because it "is cleaner and quieter" and "much more economical."[iii]

* In 1915, the Washington Post wrote that "prices on electric cars will continue to drop until they are within reach of the average family."[iv]

* In 1959, the New York Times claimed the "Old electric may be the car of tomorrow." The story said EVs were making a comeback because "gasoline is expensive today, principally because it is so heavily taxed, while electricity is far cheaper" than it was in the 1920s.[v]

* In 1967, the Los Angeles Times reported that American Motors Corporation was on the verge of producing an electric car, the Amitron, which would be powered by lithium batteries capable of holding 330 watt-hours of energy per kilogram. (That's greater than the energy density of modern lithium-ion batteries.) Backers of the Amitron declared, "we don't see a major obstacle in technology. It's just a matter of time."[vi]

* In 1979, the Washington Post claimed General Motors had achieved "a breakthrough in batteries" that "makes electric cars commercially practical." The new zinc-nickel oxide batteries will provide the "100-mile range that General Motors executives believe is necessary to successfully sell electric vehicles to the public."[vii]

* In 1980, the Washington Post claimed "practical electric cars can be built in the near future," and that by 2000, the average family would own cars "tailored for the purpose for which they are most often used." It went on to say that "In this new kind of car fleet, the electric vehicle could pay a big role especially as delivery trucks and two-passenger urban commuter cars. With an aggressive production effort, they might save 1 million barrels of oil a day by the turn of the century."[viii]

* In 2014, Tony Seba, an author who is currently a lecturer in "entrepreneurship, disruption, and clean energy" at Stanford University, declared, "By 2025, gasoline engine cars will be unable to compete with electric vehicles." He continued, claiming that internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles "are toast."[ix]

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Of course, none of that has happened. Electric vehicles remain perennially on the brink of commercial success.

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The facts show something different. The ICE vehicle isn't "toast." ICE automobiles continue their overwhelming dominance in the marketplace. In 2023, EVs accounted for about 9% of all new car sales in the U.S. While that percentage has increased significantly over the past few years, and EV sales are growing, it is also clear that EVs face substantial resistance from automobile buyers.

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As a result, Robert goes on to note, automobile companies are losing staggering amounts of money on their electric vehicles.

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Electric Vehicles: Cars of the past.

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* In 1967, the Los Angeles Times reported that American Motors Corporation was on the verge of producing an electric car, the Amitron, which would be powered by lithium batteries capable of holding 330 watt-hours of energy per kilogram. (That's greater than the energy density of modern lithium-ion batteries.) Backers of the Amitron declared, "we don't see a major obstacle in technology. It's just a matter of time."[vi]

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The 1967 AMC Amitron. Beautiful.

I always thought a smaller electric gremlin with annoying safety features removed woulda been a great vehicle to die in.

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I always thought a smaller electric gremlin with annoying safety features removed woulda been a great vehicle to die in.

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Like driving a golf cart on the highway, with a cage sufficient to keep you from escaping but not protect you from anything. I can totally see the appeal.