It has to do with people with little scientific (or philosophical/historical) background/education/training being willing to swallow whatever the propaganda du jour is.

Similarly/relatedly, Tesla is, again, a very 'Blue' (CCP-Dem) brand, as are EV's writ large (though Tesla fans of course disparage non-Tesla EV's):



That chart is not simply correlation without causation:

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As the bubble chart shows, Ram pickup owners are very, very Republican, with GMC drivers registering a close second. GOP drivers clearly love their made-in-the-USA trucks and SUVs. (Notably, the British brand Land Rover, formerly a high-R index brand, has moved to the center-left as it has become more of a luxury line appealing to urbanites.)

On the other side, Tesla is the most Democratic car make by a long shot. Its position is unsurprising given one of its key selling pointsno carbon emissionsis a priority for progressives. The Tesla lineup also currently lacks a truck or big SUV, favored by Republicans.

Politically, Tesla has occupied the space previously held by Subaru in 2012 and Volvo in 2004 on the automotive left. Over time, both those carmakers' bubbles have migrated toward the less partisan middle as they have grown their market shares.

Residents of the San Francisco areahome to Elon Musk's Twitterhave the nation's highest concentration of Tesla owners, more than three times the national average, according to the Nielsen Scarborough data. The next top Tesla markets are also Democratic strongholds: Denver, Honolulu, and Los Angeles.

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Again, I hope Americans continue to fight to resist the CCP-Dem BEV push (as has been shown in the slow down of BEV sales growth), as this is a critical moment in that chapter of our history.

Nortex having to scrape the internet for 6 month old articles so he can cherry pick old data. Too bad he left this part of the article out…

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Over the past year, the politics of Tesla drivers and those of Mr. Musk have diverged sharply. Mr. Musk's partisan evolution has created what we call the Elon Paradoxhe is selling Teslas, but you might expect him to be driving a Ram.

The Elon Paradox generates political headwinds for Tesla sales. A November 2022 Morning Consult survey revealed that Tesla's net favorability among Democrats had declined by 20 percentage points. The December Quinnipiac poll showed only 7% of Democrats holding a favorable opinion of Mr. Musk.

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Teslas sales continued to the climb after this article, and the most American car on the road continued to be Americas favorite car.

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It has to do with people with little scientific (or philosophical/historical) background/education/training being willing to swallow whatever the propaganda du jour is.

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You mean like Donald Trump who is fully vaccinated and boosted and encourage people to take the Trumpaccine?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/12/20/trump-admits-getting-covid-vaccine-booster-after-earlier-saying-he-probably-wouldnt/amp/

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Nortex having to scrape the internet for 6 month old articles so he can cherry pick old data. Too bad he left this part of the article out…

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Over the past year, the politics of Tesla drivers and those of Mr. Musk have diverged sharply. Mr. Musk's partisan evolution has created what we call the Elon Paradoxhe is selling Teslas, but you might expect him to be driving a Ram.

The Elon Paradox generates political headwinds for Tesla sales. A November 2022 Morning Consult survey revealed that Tesla's net favorability among Democrats had declined by 20 percentage points. The December Quinnipiac poll showed only 7% of Democrats holding a favorable opinion of Mr. Musk.

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Teslas sales continued to the climb after this article, and the most American car on the road continued to be Americas favorite car.

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"Having to scrape." Haha. More snark tears about links. Glad I could help you and KK yet again.

What else would you call digging up 6 month articles to knock the most American vehicle on the road?

I also find it amusing that the guy deathly afraid of car fires is now here pimping a Ram.

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It has to do with people with little scientific (or philosophical/historical) background/education/training being willing to swallow whatever the propaganda du jour is.

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You mean like Donald Trump who is fully vaccinated and boosted and encourage people to take the Trumpaccine?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/12/20/trump-admits-getting-covid-vaccine-booster-after-earlier-saying-he-probably-wouldnt/amp/

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Careful, you're letting your 'I'm not a democrat' mask slip a bit. I'm not a Trump fan for 2020. I'll vote against the communist party candidate though in the general election.

Revolutionary "EV" EVangelism failing; big article at Hotair.

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States are getting some hard lessons in regards to mandates about EV purchases and sales. We've covered CA's madness plenty, but their learning curve doesn't seem to stop states from forging forward. Even, inexplicably, states where the vast, empty distances, and brutal winter weather don't exactly lend themselves to EVs. States like Maine, which is considering a truly radical and controversial shift in auto sales legislation in fealty to the Climate Cult.

The Maine Board of Environmental Protection (Maine BEP) is considering adopting the CALIFORNIA(!) "Clear Car Program" the whole thing. But couching the language in such a way that they can skirt legislative oversight for adoption.
Classic, no?

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Earlier this fall, the Maine BEP took a straw vote of 4-2 in favor of adopting California's Advanced Clear Car Program a set of rules requiring that 43% of new cars sold in Maine be ZEVs by model year 2027 and 82% by model year 2032.
A final vote could not be taken by the board until members had officially responded to the more than a thousand public comments that had been offered in relation to the proposed rule change.
…One major point of contention concerning the proposed vehicle emissions regulations is their classification as "routine technical" as opposed to "major substantive."
While "routine technical" changes are not subject to legislative oversight, "major substantive" ones are.
…Because the new vehicle emissions standards have been classified by the Maine BEP as routine technical, they were not subjected to legislative review.
Had they been categorized as major substantive, these new regulations could not be formally adopted until after they had undergone legislative review meaning that lawmakers would need to enact legislation authorizing their adoption before they could go into effect.

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Much more at the link, which again for those reading at home I don't want to provide the whole article/piece via quotes here due to terms of service, and also I don't really care if there are any components which some want to excerpt separately after clicking through to support another position.

"I'm kind of delighted that there was a wakeup call given to certain people this past week." Maine resident, John Barkley, on the irony of a massive storm knocking out nearly the whole state of Maine’s power grid delaying a vote on an EV mandate. | @dagenmcdowell @SeanDuffyWI pic.twitter.com/PxzPZkxrgv

— The Bottom Line (@BottomLineFBN) December 23, 2023

Short version: EV's even with gov't push (including but not limited to mandates) are failing in the market.

nortex97 said:

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It has to do with people with little scientific (or philosophical/historical) background/education/training being willing to swallow whatever the propaganda du jour is.

Similarly/relatedly, Tesla is, again, a very 'Blue' (CCP-Dem) brand, as are EV's writ large (though Tesla fans of course disparage non-Tesla EV's):



That chart is not simply correlation without causation:

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As the bubble chart shows, Ram pickup owners are very, very Republican, with GMC drivers registering a close second. GOP drivers clearly love their made-in-the-USA trucks and SUVs. (Notably, the British brand Land Rover, formerly a high-R index brand, has moved to the center-left as it has become more of a luxury line appealing to urbanites.)

On the other side, Tesla is the most Democratic car make by a long shot. Its position is unsurprising given one of its key selling pointsno carbon emissionsis a priority for progressives. The Tesla lineup also currently lacks a truck or big SUV, favored by Republicans.

Politically, Tesla has occupied the space previously held by Subaru in 2012 and Volvo in 2004 on the automotive left. Over time, both those carmakers' bubbles have migrated toward the less partisan middle as they have grown their market shares.

Residents of the San Francisco areahome to Elon Musk's Twitterhave the nation's highest concentration of Tesla owners, more than three times the national average, according to the Nielsen Scarborough data. The next top Tesla markets are also Democratic strongholds: Denver, Honolulu, and Los Angeles.

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Again, I hope Americans continue to fight to resist the CCP-Dem BEV push (as has been shown in the slow down of BEV sales growth), as this is a critical moment in that chapter of our history.

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Wow look at Tesla's market share. It's akin to Mitsubishi and Infinity.

Great article thanks for sharing.

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Revolutionary "EV" EVangelism failing; big article at Hotair.

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States are getting some hard lessons in regards to mandates about EV purchases and sales. We've covered CA's madness plenty, but their learning curve doesn't seem to stop states from forging forward. Even, inexplicably, states where the vast, empty distances, and brutal winter weather don't exactly lend themselves to EVs. States like Maine, which is considering a truly radical and controversial shift in auto sales legislation in fealty to the Climate Cult.

The Maine Board of Environmental Protection (Maine BEP) is considering adopting the CALIFORNIA(!) "Clear Car Program" the whole thing. But couching the language in such a way that they can skirt legislative oversight for adoption.
Classic, no?

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Earlier this fall, the Maine BEP took a straw vote of 4-2 in favor of adopting California's Advanced Clear Car Program a set of rules requiring that 43% of new cars sold in Maine be ZEVs by model year 2027 and 82% by model year 2032.
A final vote could not be taken by the board until members had officially responded to the more than a thousand public comments that had been offered in relation to the proposed rule change.
…One major point of contention concerning the proposed vehicle emissions regulations is their classification as "routine technical" as opposed to "major substantive."
While "routine technical" changes are not subject to legislative oversight, "major substantive" ones are.
…Because the new vehicle emissions standards have been classified by the Maine BEP as routine technical, they were not subjected to legislative review.
Had they been categorized as major substantive, these new regulations could not be formally adopted until after they had undergone legislative review meaning that lawmakers would need to enact legislation authorizing their adoption before they could go into effect.

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Much more at the link, which again for those reading at home I don't want to provide the whole article/piece via quotes here due to terms of service, and also I don't really care if there are any components which some want to excerpt separately after clicking through to support another position.

"I'm kind of delighted that there was a wakeup call given to certain people this past week." Maine resident, John Barkley, on the irony of a massive storm knocking out nearly the whole state of Maine’s power grid delaying a vote on an EV mandate. | @dagenmcdowell @SeanDuffyWI pic.twitter.com/PxzPZkxrgv

— The Bottom Line (@BottomLineFBN) December 23, 2023

Short version: EV's even with gov't push (including but not limited to mandates) are failing in the market.

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Unless the Maine government has followed the lead of a few other states like NJ and FL and mandated gas stations to have backup generators, he may be like this guy in Texas. So are you in favor of these government mandates?

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-weather/article/Power-outages-causing-gas-stations-to-close-15957194.php

Guess what powers gas pumps? Without electricity those pumps don't work.

They never think that far. Just like when they hate lithium batteries unless it powers something they want or need.

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nortex97 said:

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Revolutionary "EV" EVangelism failing; big article at Hotair.

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States are getting some hard lessons in regards to mandates about EV purchases and sales. We've covered CA's madness plenty, but their learning curve doesn't seem to stop states from forging forward. Even, inexplicably, states where the vast, empty distances, and brutal winter weather don't exactly lend themselves to EVs. States like Maine, which is considering a truly radical and controversial shift in auto sales legislation in fealty to the Climate Cult.

The Maine Board of Environmental Protection (Maine BEP) is considering adopting the CALIFORNIA(!) "Clear Car Program" the whole thing. But couching the language in such a way that they can skirt legislative oversight for adoption.
Classic, no?

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Earlier this fall, the Maine BEP took a straw vote of 4-2 in favor of adopting California's Advanced Clear Car Program a set of rules requiring that 43% of new cars sold in Maine be ZEVs by model year 2027 and 82% by model year 2032.
A final vote could not be taken by the board until members had officially responded to the more than a thousand public comments that had been offered in relation to the proposed rule change.
…One major point of contention concerning the proposed vehicle emissions regulations is their classification as "routine technical" as opposed to "major substantive."
While "routine technical" changes are not subject to legislative oversight, "major substantive" ones are.
…Because the new vehicle emissions standards have been classified by the Maine BEP as routine technical, they were not subjected to legislative review.
Had they been categorized as major substantive, these new regulations could not be formally adopted until after they had undergone legislative review meaning that lawmakers would need to enact legislation authorizing their adoption before they could go into effect.

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Much more at the link, which again for those reading at home I don't want to provide the whole article/piece via quotes here due to terms of service, and also I don't really care if there are any components which some want to excerpt separately after clicking through to support another position.

"I'm kind of delighted that there was a wakeup call given to certain people this past week." Maine resident, John Barkley, on the irony of a massive storm knocking out nearly the whole state of Maine’s power grid delaying a vote on an EV mandate. | @dagenmcdowell @SeanDuffyWI pic.twitter.com/PxzPZkxrgv

— The Bottom Line (@BottomLineFBN) December 23, 2023

Short version: EV's even with gov't push (including but not limited to mandates) are failing in the market.

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Unless the Maine government has followed the lead of a few other states like NJ and FL and mandated gas stations to have backup generators, he may be like this guy in Texas. So are you in favor of these government mandates?

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-weather/article/Power-outages-causing-gas-stations-to-close-15957194.php

Guess what powers gas pumps? Without electricity those pumps don't work.

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I am not aware of an ICE vehicle owner who is opposed to electricity. Weird ad hom. A spark is needed for most ICE consumer vehicles, fyi.

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nortex97 said:

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Revolutionary "EV" EVangelism failing; big article at Hotair.

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States are getting some hard lessons in regards to mandates about EV purchases and sales. We've covered CA's madness plenty, but their learning curve doesn't seem to stop states from forging forward. Even, inexplicably, states where the vast, empty distances, and brutal winter weather don't exactly lend themselves to EVs. States like Maine, which is considering a truly radical and controversial shift in auto sales legislation in fealty to the Climate Cult.

The Maine Board of Environmental Protection (Maine BEP) is considering adopting the CALIFORNIA(!) "Clear Car Program" the whole thing. But couching the language in such a way that they can skirt legislative oversight for adoption.
Classic, no?

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Earlier this fall, the Maine BEP took a straw vote of 4-2 in favor of adopting California's Advanced Clear Car Program a set of rules requiring that 43% of new cars sold in Maine be ZEVs by model year 2027 and 82% by model year 2032.
A final vote could not be taken by the board until members had officially responded to the more than a thousand public comments that had been offered in relation to the proposed rule change.
…One major point of contention concerning the proposed vehicle emissions regulations is their classification as "routine technical" as opposed to "major substantive."
While "routine technical" changes are not subject to legislative oversight, "major substantive" ones are.
…Because the new vehicle emissions standards have been classified by the Maine BEP as routine technical, they were not subjected to legislative review.
Had they been categorized as major substantive, these new regulations could not be formally adopted until after they had undergone legislative review meaning that lawmakers would need to enact legislation authorizing their adoption before they could go into effect.

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Much more at the link, which again for those reading at home I don't want to provide the whole article/piece via quotes here due to terms of service, and also I don't really care if there are any components which some want to excerpt separately after clicking through to support another position.

"I'm kind of delighted that there was a wakeup call given to certain people this past week." Maine resident, John Barkley, on the irony of a massive storm knocking out nearly the whole state of Maine’s power grid delaying a vote on an EV mandate. | @dagenmcdowell @SeanDuffyWI pic.twitter.com/PxzPZkxrgv

— The Bottom Line (@BottomLineFBN) December 23, 2023

Short version: EV's even with gov't push (including but not limited to mandates) are failing in the market.

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Unless the Maine government has followed the lead of a few other states like NJ and FL and mandated gas stations to have backup generators, he may be like this guy in Texas. So are you in favor of these government mandates?

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-weather/article/Power-outages-causing-gas-stations-to-close-15957194.php

Guess what powers gas pumps? Without electricity those pumps don't work.

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I am not aware of an ICE vehicle owner who is opposed to electricity. Weird ad hom. A spark is needed for most ICE consumer vehicles, fyi.

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Nothing against electricity just pointing out all vehicles have challenges without electricity along with most of modern life. This isn't an EV issue only. . There are a few states that have mandated gas station owners have backup generators which gets the fuel they have in their tanks out and I was just asking if you are ok with those government mandates.

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I agree with the article that there isn't enough lithium being produced today to go all electric and it likely won't change enough in the next 10-20 years.

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/worlds-largest-ree-lithium-discovered-160012987.html

"The estimated 18 million-ton motherlode could be worth up to $540 billion and meet America's demand for decades to come."

Virtue signaling on the 70k car you bought as a virtue signal. pic.twitter.com/ziMMxaV1NJ

— Syd Steyerhart (@SydSteyerhart) December 26, 2023

LOL. Some funny replies…

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I agree with the article that there isn't enough lithium being produced today to go all electric and it likely won't change enough in the next 10-20 years.

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/worlds-largest-ree-lithium-discovered-160012987.html

"The estimated 18 million-ton motherlode could be worth up to $540 billion and meet America's demand for decades to come."

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Even if the lithium issue is solved, there is the matter of the other medals needed which have been more fully developed over the last number of decades. In particular, copper and nickel for which I haven't heard of a substitute unlike cobalt and lithium where lead and sodium are available.

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I agree with the article that there isn't enough lithium being produced today to go all electric and it likely won't change enough in the next 10-20 years.

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/worlds-largest-ree-lithium-discovered-160012987.html

"The estimated 18 million-ton motherlode could be worth up to $540 billion and meet America's demand for decades to come."

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Energy independence is a good thing. Dig baby dig.

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I agree with the article that there isn't enough lithium being produced today to go all electric and it likely won't change enough in the next 10-20 years.

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/worlds-largest-ree-lithium-discovered-160012987.html

"The estimated 18 million-ton motherlode could be worth up to $540 billion and meet America's demand for decades to come."

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Energy independence is a good thing. Dig baby dig.

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Given this deposit is in California, I wouldn't bet on it getting developed anytime soon. If there is one thing CA is great at it is blocking any new mineral development with a massive NIMBY mentality. They have all but ended oil production and they won't allow refinery expansions that could ease their gas price problems.

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Kansas Kid said:

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I agree with the article that there isn't enough lithium being produced today to go all electric and it likely won't change enough in the next 10-20 years.

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/worlds-largest-ree-lithium-discovered-160012987.html

"The estimated 18 million-ton motherlode could be worth up to $540 billion and meet America's demand for decades to come."

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Energy independence is a good thing. Dig baby dig.

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Given this deposit is in California, I wouldn't bet on it getting developed anytime soon. If there is one thing CA is great at it is blocking any new mineral development with a massive NIMBY mentality. They have all but ended oil production and they won't allow refinery expansions that could ease their gas price problems.

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well considering the State of California is the one that provided money to research projects dedicated to finding more Lithium in the state, and their Governor establishing a Lithium Extraction tax...I'd say California is pretty financially invested in developing their lithium industry.


WHAT GOVERNOR NEWSOM SAID: "We've been all-in on Lithium Valley, building up a global hub for clean energy and making sure that local communities benefit from this once-in-a-generation opportunity. This is further evidence that California is poised to become the world's largest source of batteries for our cars, homes, and businesses."

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Teslag said:

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RoyVal said:

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Kansas Kid said:

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I agree with the article that there isn't enough lithium being produced today to go all electric and it likely won't change enough in the next 10-20 years.

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/worlds-largest-ree-lithium-discovered-160012987.html

"The estimated 18 million-ton motherlode could be worth up to $540 billion and meet America's demand for decades to come."

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Energy independence is a good thing. Dig baby dig.

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Given this deposit is in California, I wouldn't bet on it getting developed anytime soon. If there is one thing CA is great at it is blocking any new mineral development with a massive NIMBY mentality. They have all but ended oil production and they won't allow refinery expansions that could ease their gas price problems.

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well considering the State of California is the one that provided money to research projects dedicated to finding more Lithium in the state, and their Governor establishing a Lithium Extraction tax...I'd say California is pretty financially invested in developing their lithium industry.


WHAT GOVERNOR NEWSOM SAID: "We've been all-in on Lithium Valley, building up a global hub for clean energy and making sure that local communities benefit from this once-in-a-generation opportunity. This is further evidence that California is poised to become the world's largest source of batteries for our cars, homes, and businesses."

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I know Newsome is saying he fully supports it but their regulators and legislators may be another issue altogether and then there are the inevitable large number of lawsuits the environmentalists will raise. I hope I am wrong but I have no faith in CA to do the right thing.

Funny. I think this adds yet again to the point that BEV's are a political push by the left/communists.

https://t.co/Bh9r2AUZpR

This could be a game changer. A Canuck insurance co won't insure EVs due to the extraordinary cost of replacing the batteries.

— Larry Schweikart (@LarrySchweikart) December 27, 2023

wow. More, faster please.

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B.C. has one of the highest EV adoption rates in Canada, but the 81,415 light-duty vehicles on the road at the end of 2022 were still just three per cent of the province's personal-vehicle fleet, according to ICBC.

Staff in the insurer's claims operations report that "it is an extremely rare occurrence" for vehicles to be written off solely for damage to a battery, Harper said.

However, when the repair cost of damage to a vehicle exceeds its cash value, ICBC will deem the vehicle to be a total loss.

Data is also difficult to come by in larger U.S. markets, but insurers are taking note of an increasing trend toward writing off low-mileage zero emission vehicles with minor damage, according to reporting by the news agency Reuters.

Reporters found that some manufacturers, such as Ford and GM, said they were making their battery packs easier to repair. However, in many cases, technicians lack the diagnostic data they need to evaluate even minor damage, so vehicles still have to be written off.

"The battery pack alone is often 30 per cent or more of the actual vehicle cost still," said Werner Antweiler, a professor in the Sauder School of Business at the University of B.C. who studies renewable energy. "So this is a very significant thing."

Antweiler said manufacturers are trying to balance trade-offs of making batteries that are light enough to be practical without also making them too expensive.

Many manufacturers place batteries at the bottom of their vehicles to give cars a better centre of balance, but that makes them more vulnerable to bumps or scrapes against obstacles in the road, Antweiler said.

That means they need to protect batteries better or make battery packs with more modular components so damage to one part doesn't affect the whole unit, Antweiler added.

"So that is a question about the design," Antweiler said. "And the manufacturers are still learning this is really a problem that needs to be solved."

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Kansas Kid said:

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I agree with the article that there isn't enough lithium being produced today to go all electric and it likely won't change enough in the next 10-20 years.

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/worlds-largest-ree-lithium-discovered-160012987.html

"The estimated 18 million-ton motherlode could be worth up to $540 billion and meet America's demand for decades to come."

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Energy independence is a good thing. Dig baby dig.

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I can so see Elon putting "Dig baby, dig!" on a tee and cap.

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It has to do with people with little scientific (or philosophical/historical) background/education/training being willing to swallow whatever the propaganda du jour is.

Similarly/relatedly, Tesla is, again, a very 'Blue' (CCP-Dem) brand, as are EV's writ large (though Tesla fans of course disparage non-Tesla EV's):



That chart is not simply correlation without causation:

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As the bubble chart shows, Ram pickup owners are very, very Republican, with GMC drivers registering a close second. GOP drivers clearly love their made-in-the-USA trucks and SUVs. (Notably, the British brand Land Rover, formerly a high-R index brand, has moved to the center-left as it has become more of a luxury line appealing to urbanites.)

On the other side, Tesla is the most Democratic car make by a long shot. Its position is unsurprising given one of its key selling pointsno carbon emissionsis a priority for progressives. The Tesla lineup also currently lacks a truck or big SUV, favored by Republicans.

Politically, Tesla has occupied the space previously held by Subaru in 2012 and Volvo in 2004 on the automotive left. Over time, both those carmakers' bubbles have migrated toward the less partisan middle as they have grown their market shares.

Residents of the San Francisco areahome to Elon Musk's Twitterhave the nation's highest concentration of Tesla owners, more than three times the national average, according to the Nielsen Scarborough data. The next top Tesla markets are also Democratic strongholds: Denver, Honolulu, and Los Angeles.

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Again, I hope Americans continue to fight to resist the CCP-Dem BEV push (as has been shown in the slow down of BEV sales growth), as this is a critical moment in that chapter of our history.

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Wow look at Tesla's market share. It's akin to Mitsubishi and Infinity.

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And Pontiac. A manufacture who hasn't produced a car in 14 years.

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Kansas Kid said:

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I agree with the article that there isn't enough lithium being produced today to go all electric and it likely won't change enough in the next 10-20 years.

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/worlds-largest-ree-lithium-discovered-160012987.html

"The estimated 18 million-ton motherlode could be worth up to $540 billion and meet America's demand for decades to come."

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Energy independence is a good thing. Dig baby dig.

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How many BTU's does Lithium provide?

subaru owners vote socialist? who would have guessed?

Yep.

And BEV's are losing steam, despite the subsidies, propaganda, and mandates:

How Electric Vehicles Are Losing Momentum with U.S. Buyers, in Charts - WSJ https://t.co/dRsEbATNCu

— Fredric U. Dicker (@fud31) December 28, 2023

Not surprising as there's only one EV worth buying

Until the $7-10K premium for EV vs gas is closed, driving range is improved, and actual capability exists (in the case of SUV's and trucks) they aren't going to sell en masse.

The ones that have been sold are mostly the early adopters in core urban areas. Everyone else is going to wait on above or until gas is removed as an option which left wing oppressive governments so desperately want and are trying to force.

36,000 gallons used to extinguish a Tesla:

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Electric vehicle fires pose their own unique set of challenges and the Pine Level Fire Department has revealed it took more than 36,000 gallons of water to bring a burning Tesla Model Y under control.

According to the department, firefighters responded to a report of a traffic accident with a vehicle fire at 11:14 pm on Christmas Day. When they arrived on the scene, the Model Y was "fully involved in fire."
Thankfully, the driver wasn't hurt in the accident and managed to escape. Their vehicle wasn't as lucky as the battery pack reportedly experienced a "thermal runaway." The highway was closed and firefighters spent over an hour battling the blaze.

The department noted "electric vehicle fires are unusual and present unique challenges and dangers to firefighters" as they can "reignite hours or days after they are first extinguished" and burn at temperatures exceeding 4,532 F (2,500 C). They added, "smoke from these burning electric cars produces Hydrogen Fluoride and Hydrogen Chloride gases both of which are toxic to breath (sic) and requires firefighters to wear breathing apparatus."

While the department didn't say much about the accident, WSFA reports the driver was a 33-year-old man from Georgia who was arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol.

The station also talked to Pine Level Fire Chief Austin Worcester, who said traditional vehicle fires require around 300 to 1,000 gallons of water to extinguish. He added that special equipment exists for fighting electric vehicle fires, but it's far too expensive for the volunteer fire department.

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Buying a BEV is also irresponsible as far as the risk/cost/dangers one adds to firefighters/responders, imho.

Luckily they are rare and occur far less per vehicle than their ICE counterparts. And with the numerous documented events of ICE manufacturers telling their owners to not park in garages, it's completely irresponsible for someone to own one with a family in the house.

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36,000 gallons used to extinguish a Tesla:

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Electric vehicle fires pose their own unique set of challenges and the Pine Level Fire Department has revealed it took more than 36,000 gallons of water to bring a burning Tesla Model Y under control.

According to the department, firefighters responded to a report of a traffic accident with a vehicle fire at 11:14 pm on Christmas Day. When they arrived on the scene, the Model Y was "fully involved in fire."
Thankfully, the driver wasn't hurt in the accident and managed to escape. Their vehicle wasn't as lucky as the battery pack reportedly experienced a "thermal runaway." The highway was closed and firefighters spent over an hour battling the blaze.

The department noted "electric vehicle fires are unusual and present unique challenges and dangers to firefighters" as they can "reignite hours or days after they are first extinguished" and burn at temperatures exceeding 4,532 F (2,500 C). They added, "smoke from these burning electric cars produces Hydrogen Fluoride and Hydrogen Chloride gases both of which are toxic to breath (sic) and requires firefighters to wear breathing apparatus."

While the department didn't say much about the accident, WSFA reports the driver was a 33-year-old man from Georgia who was arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol.

The station also talked to Pine Level Fire Chief Austin Worcester, who said traditional vehicle fires require around 300 to 1,000 gallons of water to extinguish. He added that special equipment exists for fighting electric vehicle fires, but it's far too expensive for the volunteer fire department.

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Buying a BEV is also irresponsible as far as the risk/cost/dangers one adds to firefighters/responders, imho.

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36,000 gallons of water! But look how much he was saving the environment by buying a Tesla. SMH.

Cheap available lithium is a game changer. Elon was already planning a $25k car. He's going to gain a lot of market share over the coming years by building a car half the price of an ICE.

The masses will by the cheap car, electric or not.