+ 7 more quotes (click to expand)Kansas Kid said:
How am I full of it because I showed real world data of what types of vehicles kill the other driver and their passengers the most? How does this change the fact that I will support anyone's right to choose whatever vehicle they want for whatever reason they want even if I don't agree with them? Please enlighten me.PlaneCrashGuy said:
First off, I appreciate that you brought (and usually bring) real data. Thank you for that.
That is not the issue, however. The disconnect is that you claim you "support anyone who doesn't want to buy an EV for any reason" while you simultaneously argue against everyone who voices opposition to EV's. You bring data in your arguments, sure. But why do you see your argumentation as support? Are you playing devils advocate?
I have both agreed and disagreed with arguments for and against EVs while you, Nortex and others almost exclusively bash them. For example, I have stated many times that EVs don't work in many situations such as towing and long distance trips. They suck if you can't charge overnight where you live. I also have agreed EVs are more expensive to repair in case of an accident. I also don't think EVs solve the world's environmental issues but I also don't think they are worse than ICE vehicles. The non-Tesla chargers are broken frequently and if they are working, charge too slow for most people.
That said, when people say things like they are massive users of water which is an ecological disaster, I will point out with data, that making gasoline with ethanol uses way more water over the lifetime of the average car. When people say the batteries have to be frequently replaced, I will show the real world data that they don't fail anywhere near as quickly as some claim (I think this is because we all have seen how quickly Li ion batteries fail in phones and computers). As for the fire risk, I will admit they are harder fires to put out but they are also way less common than ICE fires and many ICE fires are deadly as are EV fires.
People frequently say EVs are highly dependent on China which is true today but the industry in the West is moving away from them via a combination of new technology that doesn't use cobalt, rare earth metals (ok that is old technology that has been improved) and new mining and refinement facilities. Btw, ICE vehicles and their fuel can't be made today without cobalt and rare earth metals so they too are dependent on China and child labor.
As you can see, I see both sides and think it is up to the consumer to decide what is best for them and their family. There are tradeoffs with EVs, ICE and hybrids (I will say I would never buy another hybrid after having one a few years back. It was the worst of both worlds in many cases)
I do think a lot of the negative thoughts people have about EVs have very limited experience with them (I have no idea what you have). On the other hand, few people driving EVs have limited knowledge of ICE vehicles and in most cases have both in their garage. If EVs were as bad as claimed, Tesla wouldn't have the highest brand loyalty rate of any automaker in the US
If seeing the pros and cons of different types of cars makes me full of it, guilty as charged.