Yup, union run auto manufacturers suck. And politicians owned by unions would rather be caught dead than drive a non-union vehicle.

Yep, she won't support Tesla because the communists are mad at Elon. The whole red state piece on that little propaganda road trip gone wrong should be enjoyed. They want to make Adolph Whitmer some sort of VP/presidential candidate too.

3 year old 150K mile Tesla model 3 owner dilemma; sell for 16K or put 12K battery in it?

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As with most cases nowadays, the owner who goes under the username Which-Chemical-2691 on Reddit, asked the internet to help him make up his mind. Giving a little bit of more context, he bought his Tesla Model 3 in September 2020, and has since driven it "extensively" on road trips and for ride-sharing. Unfortunately, he recently got a notification saying "Charge limit and range reduced request service soon OK to drive". Shortly after that, he got a call from a Tesla service representative, suggesting that the battery should be replaced soon due to "various cells being worn out and near depletion".

The battery health status is currently at 81%, but the worn-out cells could soon limit its ability to charge, meaning that a replacement is the only viable option if someone intends to keep the car. The Tesla is out of warranty and the cost of a battery replacement is a whopping $12,000, which the owner finds excessive as he still has a $20k debt in the car. Fixing the bad cells in a third-party EV repair shop could save a lot of money, but it could affect the vehicle's compatibility with the supercharging network on which the owner heavily relies.

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Sounds like supercharging it a lot (fast charging) probably contributed to the early demise/degradation, imho. Anyway, buyer beware it sounds like for any used Tesla's since they…don't tell you the battery is damaged apparently, once it's charged. Somewhat interesting anecdote int he article too that getting a third party shop to repair the battery cells might be cheaper, but would harm the ability to use 'super chargers.'

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The 23-year-old owner also got an offer from a "major car buying wholesaler" to sell his Model 3 as is for $16k. However, he didn't notify the prospective buyer about the serious issue with the battery, as the notification goes away after charging. This is clearly not a welcome practice by any used vehicle seller, but it is obvious that this one doesn't care about the possible consequences.

Predictably, the feedback from the TeslaLounge group in the Reddit community was contradicting. Some suggested he should replace the battery and keep racking up miles on the Tesla, while others prompted him to sell and leave the problem to someone else's hands. Technically speaking, the second option is wiser for someone in debt who is unable to buy a new car. Note that besides the problematic Tesla, the Reddit user also owns a 2007 Volvo S60R and a 1994 Toyota Land Cruiser, although he claims that those vehicles "aren't suited to rack up crazy miles".

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I am about eight months into my EV experience with my Lightning. I love the thing. Though I have an ICE auto (Acura) that I fill once a month or so, I have no idea what gasoline prices are. I put on about 1000 miles a month. Oil prices were about 60 bucks a barrel when I reserved a spot to order. Now oil is about 80 bucks a barrel. I contend before I have to replace the first battery module in my truck oil prices will be even higher. My gamble is that oil prices will continue to get higher and higher. When I need to remember what it is like to drive an ICE car, I will pull the Acura out of the garage.

For those of you who can make an EV work for your needs, I'd recommend giving it consideration.

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I understand it's an interesting alternative, vs. what it was 10 or more years ago.

I think the environmental, trade, and human impacts of a mass shift to those vehicles are net negatives, in addition to the practical trade offs in terms of charging/safety risks.

There is also the long term impact of having one and needing to replace (scrap) the $30K battery which many dismiss and/or ignore (such as those who lease a new $90K Tesla around DFW as seems to be common in my neighborhood).

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So much for your often quoted $30k to replace a battery. Your post above says $12k. The Ford battery might be $30k but that is a selective data point. Kind of like comparing the $20-30k for a new Bugatti tire is the cost of tires for every vehicle.

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Energy Secretary Granholm recently took 4-day EV caravan trip across the southeast to "draw attention to the billions of dollars the White House is pouring into green energy and clean cars."

What happened next is like a scene out of VEEP: pic.twitter.com/D0uuGJjJIl

— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) September 10, 2023

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well it's too bad there aren't any other EV charging stations close to Groveton, GA....oh wait.......


Seriously, though, that is one of the best features of Tesla....real time view of charging stations, total number of stations available/in use, and the amount of power per location (faster charge times) and if any of the stations are down. If you run out of juice in an EV you're a moron.....just like the picture of the guy I posted that ran out of gas LOL.

you can insult everyone else and call them morons all you want, but range/charge anxiety is not something many people want to add to their drives every day and people will remain skeptical and resistant until the infrastructure is a lot more reliable.

at least with unleaded gasoline, there's rarely any anxiety with a lot more miles per tank than miles per charge and there are multitudes more available filling stations when needed.

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I am about eight months into my EV experience with my Lightning. I love the thing. Though I have an ICE auto (Acura) that I fill once a month or so, I have no idea what gasoline prices are. I put on about 1000 miles a month. Oil prices were about 60 bucks a barrel when I reserved a spot to order. Now oil is about 80 bucks a barrel. I contend before I have to replace the first battery module in my truck oil prices will be even higher. My gamble is that oil prices will continue to get higher and higher. When I need to remember what it is like to drive an ICE car, I will pull the Acura out of the garage.

For those of you who can make an EV work for your needs, I'd recommend giving it consideration.

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I understand it's an interesting alternative, vs. what it was 10 or more years ago.

I think the environmental, trade, and human impacts of a mass shift to those vehicles are net negatives, in addition to the practical trade offs in terms of charging/safety risks.

There is also the long term impact of having one and needing to replace (scrap) the $30K battery which many dismiss and/or ignore (such as those who lease a new $90K Tesla around DFW as seems to be common in my neighborhood).

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So much for your often quoted $30k to replace a battery. Your post above says $12k. The Ford battery might be $30k but that is a selective data point. Kind of like comparing the $20-30k for a new Bugatti tire is the cost of tires for every vehicle.

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I'm not going to insult your reading comprehension, but that's simply not my assertion. That some redditor with a 3 year old model 3 said that was his cost option, doesn't mean I believe it to be the 'fully loaded' cost to replace the battery, nor does it imply what that cost will be after a few more years of bidenflation given the ramp up in EV/precious mineral demand, and our idiotic economic situation.

He reports having been upside down no matter what, significantly, still owing 20K and having an offer of below that 16K from the big retailer while hiding the battery fault issue dishonestly. That…is exactly the sort of reason I'd not ever want to buy an EV. At any moment, it can become a money pit.

The truth is, it varies today from around $12K to $20K for Tesla's (yes, ugh, I know I have ventured into sacrilege by not praising Tesla and posting about it), but for the trucks (chevy/ford etc., and soon to be 'cybertrucks') it's a lot more. Inflation will drive that up quickly, imho, and the labor and materials alike will be much higher in a few years for prospective buyers to factor into their decisions today. Notably, the manufacturers, such as Tesla, also don't want to replace cells, but require wholesale replacement with all of the cooling/charging/structural system costs associated with that.

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Energy Secretary Granholm recently took 4-day EV caravan trip across the southeast to "draw attention to the billions of dollars the White House is pouring into green energy and clean cars."

What happened next is like a scene out of VEEP: pic.twitter.com/D0uuGJjJIl

— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) September 10, 2023

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well it's too bad there aren't any other EV charging stations close to Groveton, GA....oh wait.......


Seriously, though, that is one of the best features of Tesla....real time view of charging stations, total number of stations available/in use, and the amount of power per location (faster charge times) and if any of the stations are down. If you run out of juice in an EV you're a moron.....just like the picture of the guy I posted that ran out of gas LOL.

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Well, unless they are within a few blocks of Augusta National you probably don't want to stop at ANY recharging or filling station in that town.

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you can insult everyone else and call them morons all you want, but range/charge anxiety is not something many people want to add to their drives every day and people will remain skeptical and resistant until the infrastructure is a lot more reliable.

at least with unleaded gasoline, there's rarely any anxiety with a lot more miles per tank than miles per charge and there are multitudes more available filling stations when needed.

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The anxiety is real for many, and that's why I think many auto companies are pushing their PHEVs. You can use electricity for your daily commute then fill up with gas for your road trips.

Combining the fire risk of an ICE vehicle with the fire risk of an BEV into one package results in a greater fire risk. Just an FYI for everyone concerned with EV fires

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Energy Secretary Granholm recently took 4-day EV caravan trip across the southeast to "draw attention to the billions of dollars the White House is pouring into green energy and clean cars."

What happened next is like a scene out of VEEP: pic.twitter.com/D0uuGJjJIl

— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) September 10, 2023

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well it's too bad there aren't any other EV charging stations close to Groveton, GA....oh wait.......


Seriously, though, that is one of the best features of Tesla....real time view of charging stations, total number of stations available/in use, and the amount of power per location (faster charge times) and if any of the stations are down. If you run out of juice in an EV you're a moron.....just like the picture of the guy I posted that ran out of gas LOL.

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Well, unless they are within a few blocks of Augusta National you probably don't want to stop at ANY recharging or filling station in that town.

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LOL....well that's a different problem that applies to EV chargers AND gas stations LMAO!

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Energy Secretary Granholm recently took 4-day EV caravan trip across the southeast to "draw attention to the billions of dollars the White House is pouring into green energy and clean cars."

What happened next is like a scene out of VEEP: pic.twitter.com/D0uuGJjJIl

— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) September 10, 2023

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well it's too bad there aren't any other EV charging stations close to Groveton, GA....oh wait.......


Seriously, though, that is one of the best features of Tesla....real time view of charging stations, total number of stations available/in use, and the amount of power per location (faster charge times) and if any of the stations are down. If you run out of juice in an EV you're a moron.....just like the picture of the guy I posted that ran out of gas LOL.

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Well, unless they are within a few blocks of Augusta National you probably don't want to stop at ANY recharging or filling station in that town.

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LOL....well that's a different problem that applies to EV chargers AND gas stations LMAO!

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Well, at a gas station your are only there for ~5 minutes instead of half an hour. And since you are standing outside instead of sitting in your car playing with your phone, you can keep a lookout for any incoming hostiles.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12504841/Worlds-largest-lithium-deposit-McDermitt-Caldera-US.html

A bunch of lithium has been found domestically...


Clay containing up to 40 million metric tons of the precious metal was identified throughout the 28-mile-long McDermitt Caldera - nearly double what has been found in Bolivia's salt flats that have long held the record for the most lithium deposits.

While the amount of lithium is based on estimates - no drilling has taken place - scientists have found high concentrations of lithium in the caldera since the 1970s.

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nortex97 said:

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JayM said:

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I am about eight months into my EV experience with my Lightning. I love the thing. Though I have an ICE auto (Acura) that I fill once a month or so, I have no idea what gasoline prices are. I put on about 1000 miles a month. Oil prices were about 60 bucks a barrel when I reserved a spot to order. Now oil is about 80 bucks a barrel. I contend before I have to replace the first battery module in my truck oil prices will be even higher. My gamble is that oil prices will continue to get higher and higher. When I need to remember what it is like to drive an ICE car, I will pull the Acura out of the garage.

For those of you who can make an EV work for your needs, I'd recommend giving it consideration.

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I understand it's an interesting alternative, vs. what it was 10 or more years ago.

I think the environmental, trade, and human impacts of a mass shift to those vehicles are net negatives, in addition to the practical trade offs in terms of charging/safety risks.

There is also the long term impact of having one and needing to replace (scrap) the $30K battery which many dismiss and/or ignore (such as those who lease a new $90K Tesla around DFW as seems to be common in my neighborhood).

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So much for your often quoted $30k to replace a battery. Your post above says $12k. The Ford battery might be $30k but that is a selective data point. Kind of like comparing the $20-30k for a new Bugatti tire is the cost of tires for every vehicle.

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I'm not going to insult your reading comprehension, but that's simply not my assertion. That some redditor with a 3 year old model 3 said that was his cost option, doesn't mean I believe it to be the 'fully loaded' cost to replace the battery, nor does it imply what that cost will be after a few more years of bidenflation given the ramp up in EV/precious mineral demand, and our idiotic economic situation.

He reports having been upside down no matter what, significantly, still owing 20K and having an offer of below that 16K from the big retailer while hiding the battery fault issue dishonestly. That…is exactly the sort of reason I'd not ever want to buy an EV. At any moment, it can become a money pit.

The truth is, it varies today from around $12K to $20K for Tesla's (yes, ugh, I know I have ventured into sacrilege by not praising Tesla and posting about it), but for the trucks (chevy/ford etc., and soon to be 'cybertrucks') it's a lot more. Inflation will drive that up quickly, imho, and the labor and materials alike will be much higher in a few years for prospective buyers to factor into their decisions today. Notably, the manufacturers, such as Tesla, also don't want to replace cells, but require wholesale replacement with all of the cooling/charging/structural system costs associated with that.

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Battery price trends have been deflationary for decades with a momentary rise during global lockdowns reducing total output of batteries and refinement of the materials that go into them. Commodity prices on those battery inputs have fallen, most to near pre-pandemic levels and the industry expects an excess of supply of batteries in the short term, with a long-term outlook of prices of a near 50% reduction in cost per kWh by the end of the decade. This statement is nearly the same as saying that the same amount of computing is going to cost more in 10 years than it does today, which has never happened. That doesn't even account for an expectation of more kWh per unit of weight, which results in more range per kWh. In other words, a consumer purchasing a vehicle today can not only not expect to replace the battery on their EV, but even if they do it will be cheaper and better than the one they initially purchased. The individual in your story would almost certainly receive the majority of that battery purchase back in equity. Three year old Model 3's with 100k+ miles without a battery replacement are valued ~$30,000. Coming from a $16,000 value and a $12,000 cost to repair he'd likely breakeven or better on the repair.

Electric vehicles are a deflationary product. Much like HDTVs. The more adoption, the more production, the more production the better the efficiency in production, the lower the price becomes. EVs are expected to hit like-for-like price parity within 2 years, and will continue to fall in price relative to gas vehicles at which point the adoption rate will accelerate. There is a reason the UAW is prepared to strike now, because it's the last opportunity for them to leverage their labor. The auto makers beholden to them are still reliant upon profits from gas vehicles as they transition into electric vehicles, which have more automatable production processes and require less labor. They see weakness in the near term and strength in the longterm and they're trying to exploit the near-term weakness to ensure continued payment. They will lose, and their employers will also probably lose as they deal with those issues.

The absolute least critical issue with broad EV adoption is lithium supply itself. It's all the other precious metals, and the massive amount of water/energy required to refine them, that is a problem. A ton of lithium takes 500,000 gallons of water.

Refining even a third of what the US projects to need in 2040 would require…a lot more of our fresh water supply than 99.9 percent of Americans would be willing to part with.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12504841/Worlds-largest-lithium-deposit-McDermitt-Caldera-US.html

A bunch of lithium has been found domestically...


Clay containing up to 40 million metric tons of the precious metal was identified throughout the 28-mile-long McDermitt Caldera - nearly double what has been found in Bolivia's salt flats that have long held the record for the most lithium deposits.

While the amount of lithium is based on estimates - no drilling has taken place - scientists have found high concentrations of lithium in the caldera since the 1970s.

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Great. More car fires.

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The absolute least critical issue with broad EV adoption is lithium supply itself. It's all the other precious metals, and the massive amount of water/energy required to refine them, that is a problem. A ton of lithium takes 500,000 gallons of water.

Refining even a third of what the US projects to need in 2040 would require…a lot more of our fresh water supply than 99.9 percent of Americans would be willing to part with.

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So you are ok with the water used to make fuel for your ICE? Like it or not, gasoline in the states is essentially 10% ethanol and a gallon of ethanol takes over 1000 gals of water to grow the corn. (3000 gallons per bushel with 2.8 gallons of ethanol per bushel)
https://blog.harnrosystems.com/which-takes-more-water-to-produce-a-pound-of-beef-or-a-pound-of-corn?hs_amp=true

Assuming 125,000 miles driven at 25 mpg (average US mileage) is 500 gallons of ethanol or the same 500,000 gallons the lithium mines you quote use. Assume the average new car lasts more than that, you use more water in an ICE than in an EV. We haven't even talked about the water we use in our refinery.

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The absolute least critical issue with broad EV adoption is lithium supply itself. It's all the other precious metals, and the massive amount of water/energy required to refine them, that is a problem. A ton of lithium takes 500,000 gallons of water.

Refining even a third of what the US projects to need in 2040 would require…a lot more of our fresh water supply than 99.9 percent of Americans would be willing to part with.

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So you are ok with the water used to make fuel for your ICE? Like it or not, gasoline in the states is essentially 10% ethanol and a gallon of ethanol takes over 1000 gals of water to grow the corn. (3000 gallons per bushel with 2.8 gallons of ethanol per bushel)

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Come on, man! Gas having ethanol is a fairly recent thing forced by politicians. Its ironic you are using another thing forced on us by the government as a "negative" toward ICE vehicles. Just another thing being forced on us by the government that has negative impacts on our lawn equipment and classic cars. And now they want to force something else--electric cars.

Yeah that was a big reach. Haha.

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The absolute least critical issue with broad EV adoption is lithium supply itself. It's all the other precious metals, and the massive amount of water/energy required to refine them, that is a problem. A ton of lithium takes 500,000 gallons of water.

Refining even a third of what the US projects to need in 2040 would require…a lot more of our fresh water supply than 99.9 percent of Americans would be willing to part with.

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So you are ok with the water used to make fuel for your ICE? Like it or not, gasoline in the states is essentially 10% ethanol and a gallon of ethanol takes over 1000 gals of water to grow the corn. (3000 gallons per bushel with 2.8 gallons of ethanol per bushel)

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Come on, man! Gas having ethanol is a fairly recent thing forced by politicians. It's ironic you are using another thing forced on us by the government as a "negative" toward ICE vehicles. Just another thing being forced on us by the government that has negative impacts on our lawn equipment and classic cars. And now they want to force something else--electric cars.

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Ethanol is a bad policy but it is supported by both sides of the aisle. It isn't going anywhere so all I am pointed out is the cost of both types of vehicles. Water is the one resource I truly worry about is starting to run short of especially in the farm belt as the aquifers aren't replenishing at the rate of usage. You can live in fantasy land and dismiss this issue by saying it is bad government policy but it is the reality we live in in the US.

Frustrating problem because there's not much you can do to make sure you don't park near an EV at an airport.

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It is unclear why the battery was removed from the car prior to the fire.

There were about 25 to 30 cars in the car park at the time of the fire.

Superintendent Dewberry said the incident could have been much worse.

"The aviation team were on the scene very quickly and able to get on top of this fire. Even with the close proximity they are to the fire ... it spread fairly quickly."

A fire and rescue team monitored the battery overnight, before handing the scene back to airport investigators.

In cases of a lithium-ion battery fire firefighters will cool down the battery and place it in a container with water to stop re-ignitions.

Alternatively, Superintendent Dewberry said firefighters would remain on the scene throughout the night in case of a spark-up.
The owners of the cars have yet to be notified.

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The oddest thing about this one is that for some reason this battery was 'detatched' in the parking lot at the airport from the 'luxury car.' Even still, of course there are a lot of fire responders close by and yet it devoured 5 vehicles.

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3 year old 150K mile Tesla model 3 owner dilemma; sell for 16K or put 12K battery in it?

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As with most cases nowadays, the owner who goes under the username Which-Chemical-2691 on Reddit, asked the internet to help him make up his mind. Giving a little bit of more context, he bought his Tesla Model 3 in September 2020, and has since driven it "extensively" on road trips and for ride-sharing. Unfortunately, he recently got a notification saying "Charge limit and range reduced request service soon OK to drive". Shortly after that, he got a call from a Tesla service representative, suggesting that the battery should be replaced soon due to "various cells being worn out and near depletion".

The battery health status is currently at 81%, but the worn-out cells could soon limit its ability to charge, meaning that a replacement is the only viable option if someone intends to keep the car. The Tesla is out of warranty and the cost of a battery replacement is a whopping $12,000, which the owner finds excessive as he still has a $20k debt in the car. Fixing the bad cells in a third-party EV repair shop could save a lot of money, but it could affect the vehicle's compatibility with the supercharging network on which the owner heavily relies.

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Sounds like supercharging it a lot (fast charging) probably contributed to the early demise/degradation, imho. Anyway, buyer beware it sounds like for any used Tesla's since they…don't tell you the battery is damaged apparently, once it's charged. Somewhat interesting anecdote int he article too that getting a third party shop to repair the battery cells might be cheaper, but would harm the ability to use 'super chargers.'

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The 23-year-old owner also got an offer from a "major car buying wholesaler" to sell his Model 3 as is for $16k. However, he didn't notify the prospective buyer about the serious issue with the battery, as the notification goes away after charging. This is clearly not a welcome practice by any used vehicle seller, but it is obvious that this one doesn't care about the possible consequences.

Predictably, the feedback from the TeslaLounge group in the Reddit community was contradicting. Some suggested he should replace the battery and keep racking up miles on the Tesla, while others prompted him to sell and leave the problem to someone else's hands. Technically speaking, the second option is wiser for someone in debt who is unable to buy a new car. Note that besides the problematic Tesla, the Reddit user also owns a 2007 Volvo S60R and a 1994 Toyota Land Cruiser, although he claims that those vehicles "aren't suited to rack up crazy miles".

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Totally conflicts with everything we have been told about Tesla batteries and Tesla warranties.

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3 year old 150K mile Tesla model 3 owner dilemma; sell for 16K or put 12K battery in it?

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As with most cases nowadays, the owner who goes under the username Which-Chemical-2691 on Reddit, asked the internet to help him make up his mind. Giving a little bit of more context, he bought his Tesla Model 3 in September 2020, and has since driven it "extensively" on road trips and for ride-sharing. Unfortunately, he recently got a notification saying "Charge limit and range reduced request service soon OK to drive". Shortly after that, he got a call from a Tesla service representative, suggesting that the battery should be replaced soon due to "various cells being worn out and near depletion".

The battery health status is currently at 81%, but the worn-out cells could soon limit its ability to charge, meaning that a replacement is the only viable option if someone intends to keep the car. The Tesla is out of warranty and the cost of a battery replacement is a whopping $12,000, which the owner finds excessive as he still has a $20k debt in the car. Fixing the bad cells in a third-party EV repair shop could save a lot of money, but it could affect the vehicle's compatibility with the supercharging network on which the owner heavily relies.

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Sounds like supercharging it a lot (fast charging) probably contributed to the early demise/degradation, imho. Anyway, buyer beware it sounds like for any used Tesla's since they…don't tell you the battery is damaged apparently, once it's charged. Somewhat interesting anecdote int he article too that getting a third party shop to repair the battery cells might be cheaper, but would harm the ability to use 'super chargers.'

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The 23-year-old owner also got an offer from a "major car buying wholesaler" to sell his Model 3 as is for $16k. However, he didn't notify the prospective buyer about the serious issue with the battery, as the notification goes away after charging. This is clearly not a welcome practice by any used vehicle seller, but it is obvious that this one doesn't care about the possible consequences.

Predictably, the feedback from the TeslaLounge group in the Reddit community was contradicting. Some suggested he should replace the battery and keep racking up miles on the Tesla, while others prompted him to sell and leave the problem to someone else's hands. Technically speaking, the second option is wiser for someone in debt who is unable to buy a new car. Note that besides the problematic Tesla, the Reddit user also owns a 2007 Volvo S60R and a 1994 Toyota Land Cruiser, although he claims that those vehicles "aren't suited to rack up crazy miles".

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Yup. Almost as if overt admiration for a particular brand obfuscated someone's objectivity.

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The absolute least critical issue with broad EV adoption is lithium supply itself. It's all the other precious metals, and the massive amount of water/energy required to refine them, that is a problem. A ton of lithium takes 500,000 gallons of water.

Refining even a third of what the US projects to need in 2040 would require…a lot more of our fresh water supply than 99.9 percent of Americans would be willing to part with.

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A **** ton of water is used in fracing too and I don't care.


Dig baby dig.

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3 year old 150K mile Tesla model 3 owner dilemma; sell for 16K or put 12K battery in it?

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As with most cases nowadays, the owner who goes under the username Which-Chemical-2691 on Reddit, asked the internet to help him make up his mind. Giving a little bit of more context, he bought his Tesla Model 3 in September 2020, and has since driven it "extensively" on road trips and for ride-sharing. Unfortunately, he recently got a notification saying "Charge limit and range reduced request service soon OK to drive". Shortly after that, he got a call from a Tesla service representative, suggesting that the battery should be replaced soon due to "various cells being worn out and near depletion".

The battery health status is currently at 81%, but the worn-out cells could soon limit its ability to charge, meaning that a replacement is the only viable option if someone intends to keep the car. The Tesla is out of warranty and the cost of a battery replacement is a whopping $12,000, which the owner finds excessive as he still has a $20k debt in the car. Fixing the bad cells in a third-party EV repair shop could save a lot of money, but it could affect the vehicle's compatibility with the supercharging network on which the owner heavily relies.

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Sounds like supercharging it a lot (fast charging) probably contributed to the early demise/degradation, imho. Anyway, buyer beware it sounds like for any used Tesla's since they…don't tell you the battery is damaged apparently, once it's charged. Somewhat interesting anecdote int he article too that getting a third party shop to repair the battery cells might be cheaper, but would harm the ability to use 'super chargers.'

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The 23-year-old owner also got an offer from a "major car buying wholesaler" to sell his Model 3 as is for $16k. However, he didn't notify the prospective buyer about the serious issue with the battery, as the notification goes away after charging. This is clearly not a welcome practice by any used vehicle seller, but it is obvious that this one doesn't care about the possible consequences.

Predictably, the feedback from the TeslaLounge group in the Reddit community was contradicting. Some suggested he should replace the battery and keep racking up miles on the Tesla, while others prompted him to sell and leave the problem to someone else's hands. Technically speaking, the second option is wiser for someone in debt who is unable to buy a new car. Note that besides the problematic Tesla, the Reddit user also owns a 2007 Volvo S60R and a 1994 Toyota Land Cruiser, although he claims that those vehicles "aren't suited to rack up crazy miles".

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Totally conflicts with everything we have been told about Tesla batteries and Tesla warranties.

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Yup. Almost as if overt admiration for a particular brand obfuscated someone's objectivity.

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Yep, the "OMG $20k for a new battery" is pure BS.

Ok so now let's share anecdotal posts about ICE vehicle fires. I'll start with this pic we saw Saturday in Houston on beltway 8 just west of 288. Even more impressive was the lady on the phone no more than 10-15ft away from the truck. Whew….glad I wasn't parked next to this at the airport! Those dually's hold a lot of flammable liquids LOL.

"tHaT's diFfErReNt BeCaUsE lItHiUm BuRnS hOt AnD sTuFf"

RoyVal said:

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Ok so now let's share anecdotal posts about ICE vehicle fires. I'll start with this pic we saw Saturday in Houston on beltway 8 just west of 288. Even more impressive was the lady on the phone no more than 10-15ft away from the truck. Whew….glad I wasn't parked next to this at the airport! Those dually's hold a lot of flammable liquids LOL.

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Why are you derailing? If you want to talk about an ICE fire, start a thread for that.

It's a valid comparison, especially since ICE vehicles are far more likely to catch fire according to NTSB data.

I passed by an ICE vehicle on fire on my way to work today. Scary stuff.

Bubblez said:

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I passed by an ICE vehicle on fire on my way to work today. Scary stuff.

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Yeah, I bet you did....

RoyVal said:

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Ok so now let's share anecdotal posts about ICE vehicle fires. I'll start with this pic we saw Saturday in Houston on beltway 8 just west of 288. Even more impressive was the lady on the phone no more than 10-15ft away from the truck. Whew….glad I wasn't parked next to this at the airport! Those dually's hold a lot of flammable liquids LOL.

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Now do someone's garage. We'll wait.

Bubblez said:

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I passed by an ICE vehicle on fire on my way to work today. Scary stuff.

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Really makes you think.

Very different kinds of fires.

Anyone that can't admit that a Li battery fire is very different from other fires just really doesn't want to discuss it.

techno-ag said:

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RoyVal said:

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Ok so now let's share anecdotal posts about ICE vehicle fires. I'll start with this pic we saw Saturday in Houston on beltway 8 just west of 288. Even more impressive was the lady on the phone no more than 10-15ft away from the truck. Whew….glad I wasn't parked next to this at the airport! Those dually's hold a lot of flammable liquids LOL.

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Now do someone's garage. We'll wait.

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Just last month in Houston. I can find tons of others. How many do you want?

https://www.khou.com/amp/article/news/local/sugar-land-car-house-fire/285-d55134fd-9cab-4ac9-b7c2-9c0d8cf89c9a