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3. Save 2k every 2 yrs on Brakes
havent researched that one, but i call bull***** the teslas i race against ALL have aftermarket brake kits and are changing pads and rotors all the time, and this is just time trials, not full track racing. they go through brakes faster than their ICE competitors due to weight, despite using regen braking as an advantage.

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So much ignorance. 99% of Tesla owners won't run their cars on a track. Brakes on a commuter driven Tesla I'll last the life the vehicle. The only other maintenance item is tires and wiper fluid.

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you have every system an ICE vehicle has and then some, except fuel, internal ICE rotating parts which are typically 300k mile parts, cooling, oiling, again all of which are fairly low maintenance except for oil changes, which are nothing.

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LOL, moronery: literally the only thing you've eliminated with an EV is a rotating engine and transmission assembly, cooling and lubrication; but you've replaced it with extremely complex battery and wiring and software.


wheels tires brake pads fluid levels 6250
air filter, wheels tires brake pa
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and continuing every 6250

https://manuelsbodyshop.com/blog/top-5-common-repairs-on-tesla-electric-vehicles/

Teslas are commonly plagued with unexpected loss of power and poor manufacturing. Average annual Tesla repair costs hover around $590.

https://getjerry.com/car-repair/common-problems-with-tesla

Issues with Autopilot feature and cruise control adjustment

Failed power steering system

Occasional loss of power

Unable to be towed

Poor build quality

Unreliable warning lights

Prematurely worn-out battery pack (especially in cold weather)

Autopilot failure, poor windshield visibility, faulty steering system, unexpected acceleration

Shuts down while driving, loss of power, lock system malfunctions, faulty touchscreen

Unexpected stopping, poor wheel alignment, sudden loss of tire pressure, faulty seat belt retention system

[url=https://getjerry.com/car-repair/tesla-sentry-mode-battery-drain][/url]Battery failures

• Faulty transmission systems, sometimes resulting in a full transmission replacement
• Poor manufacturing quality
• Sudden loss of power
• Faulty universal joints on the drive shaft

A risky quality issue: The streamlined door handles conduct heat when the Model S is left in the sunburning some owners when they try to open their cars' doors.

• Power steering failure leads to the steering wheel locking up while turning.
• The Model X is prone to dangerous, unexpected acceleration.

Tesla service center mechanics have yet to find a surefire way to fix these dangerous acceleration issues, so there's no guarantee that they'll be covered under warranty.

• Complete failure of the touchscreen system
• Getting locked out of the car
• Sudden loss of power while driving

Some of these issues have been traced to a faulty high-voltage controller, while others may require a simple software update to remedy.

Unexpected stops caused by collision avoidance system malfunctions

Sudden loss of tire pressure

Broken seat belt retention systems

https://getjerry.com/car-repair/common-problems-with-tesla#fa-qs

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3. Save 2k every 2 yrs on Brakes
havent researched that one, but i call bull***** the teslas i race against ALL have aftermarket brake kits and are changing pads and rotors all the time, and this is just time trials, not full track racing. they go through brakes faster than their ICE competitors due to weight, despite using regen braking as an advantage.

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So much ignorance. 99% of Tesla owners won't run their cars on a track. Brakes on a commuter driven Tesla I'll last the life the vehicle. The only other maintenance item is tires and wiper fluid.

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Pump the brakes!!! (Pun intended) What is the "life of the vehicle" that it will NEVER need brakes before replacing the car??? And what kind of unobtanium are they made from??

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The brakes on teslas are not used that often, so the use is significantly reduced. There is no maintenance interval for brake pads.

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3. Save 2k every 2 yrs on Brakes
havent researched that one, but i call bull***** the teslas i race against ALL have aftermarket brake kits and are changing pads and rotors all the time, and this is just time trials, not full track racing. they go through brakes faster than their ICE competitors due to weight, despite using regen braking as an advantage.

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So much ignorance. 99% of Tesla owners won't run their cars on a track. Brakes on a commuter driven Tesla I'll last the life the vehicle. The only other maintenance item is tires and wiper fluid.

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LOL, that's plain science. which demonstrates your ignorance.

ICE sedan on track runs through rotors every 12 hours, pads every 6

off track that makes 50k miles/25k

teslas are going through rotors every 8/pads 4, and that means your mileage is going to be similarly impacted.

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In a racing environment, the vast majority of braking is from the pads not regenerative braking because you need sudden deceleration and you are correct that the weight in that environment will wear through pads faster. In daily driving, almost all braking is done by regenerative breaking unless you are someone that slams on the brakes at the last minute.

Go ask a Tesla tech how often they replace brake pads due to wearing out.

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3. Save 2k every 2 yrs on Brakes
havent researched that one, but i call bull***** the teslas i race against ALL have aftermarket brake kits and are changing pads and rotors all the time, and this is just time trials, not full track racing. they go through brakes faster than their ICE competitors due to weight, despite using regen braking as an advantage.

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So much ignorance. 99% of Tesla owners won't run their cars on a track. Brakes on a commuter driven Tesla I'll last the life the vehicle. The only other maintenance item is tires and wiper fluid.

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LOL, that's plain science. which demonstrates your ignorance.

ICE sedan on track runs through rotors every 12 hours, pads every 6

off track that makes 50k miles/25k

teslas are going through rotors every 8/pads 4, and that means your mileage is going to be similarly impacted.

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In a racing environment, the vast majority of braking is from the pads not regenerative braking because you need sudden deceleration and you are correct that the weight in that environment will wear through pads faster. In daily driving, almost all braking is done by regenerative breaking unless you are someone that slams on the brakes at the last minute.

Go ask a Tesla tech how often they replace brake pads due to wearing out.

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Yep. Friend of mine has a 2016 Model X with 225,000 miles and has yet to replace the brake pads. Or the battery.

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3. Save 2k every 2 yrs on Brakes
havent researched that one, but i call bull***** the teslas i race against ALL have aftermarket brake kits and are changing pads and rotors all the time, and this is just time trials, not full track racing. they go through brakes faster than their ICE competitors due to weight, despite using regen braking as an advantage.

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So much ignorance. 99% of Tesla owners won't run their cars on a track. Brakes on a commuter driven Tesla I'll last the life the vehicle. The only other maintenance item is tires and wiper fluid.

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you have every system an ICE vehicle has and then some, except fuel, internal ICE rotating parts which are typically 300k mile parts, cooling, oiling, again all of which are fairly low maintenance except for oil changes, which are nothing.

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3. Save 2k every 2 yrs on Brakes
havent researched that one, but i call bull***** the teslas i race against ALL have aftermarket brake kits and are changing pads and rotors all the time, and this is just time trials, not full track racing. they go through brakes faster than their ICE competitors due to weight, despite using regen braking as an advantage.

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So much ignorance. 99% of Tesla owners won't run their cars on a track. Brakes on a commuter driven Tesla I'll last the life the vehicle. The only other maintenance item is tires and wiper fluid.

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Pump the brakes!!! (Pun intended) What is the "life of the vehicle" that it will NEVER need brakes before replacing the car??? And what kind of unobtanium are they made from??

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I get that. But what is the life expectancy? With such a bold statement, then vehicle replacement IS the interval. When is that?? It's an honest question.

From what I've gathered most Tesla owners have never had to replace them. I'm sure some have that drive them hard or ride the brakes. On a typical 35 mile commute is not uncommon for me to never press the brake pedal and that's not an exaggeration. Once you get a feel for the one pedal driving it's hard not to adapt to it. I can't tell you how many times I've been in my truck after driving the Tesla and let off the accelerator and almost rear end the car in front of me because I expect it to stop and it doesn't.

I still don't know how long I can expect the car to "live". My 82 GMC cost roughly 6k in 1982. In 1992, I put a new engine in it. Saved a ton building it myself, but let's assume average cost of $2000. Manual transmission that I've changed the clutch in 4 times, $1000 total. Who knows how many tires, but let's assume a new set every 5 years at $600/set, $4800. Oil changes have gone from $15 to $60 over 40 years...maybe $5000 in oil? Gas...who knows! Estimate 500k miles at 15 mpg...BEST case scenario...$42,500...o've probably changed the brakes 6 times. I think we can agree a lot has gone into the upkeep to extend the life! Now at 41 years old, though, I routinely turn down offers of 3x the original purchase price.

So how long is the Model S going to last, what would it take to get it to 40 years, and will people be stopping me at the grocery store asking to buy it in 40 years?

Follow-up question...Can someone PLEASE saturate the market with Teslas so I can plaid one of my C10s from a salvage yard on a budget??

Is it possible to get 40 years out of one? Who knows. Maybe to someone that really wants to. But honestly cars will probably become disposable just like everything else in our society.

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I still don't know how long I can expect the car to "live". My 82 GMC cost roughly 6k in 1982. In 1992, I put a new engine in it. Saved a ton building it myself, but let's assume average cost of $2000. Manual transmission that I've changed the clutch in 4 times, $1000 total. Who knows how many tires, but let's assume a new set every 5 years at $600/set, $4800. Oil changes have gone from $15 to $60 over 40 years...maybe $5000 in oil? Gas...who knows! Estimate 500k miles at 15 mpg...BEST case scenario...$42,500...o've probably changed the brakes 6 times. I think we can agree a lot has gone into the upkeep to extend the life! Now at 41 years old, though, I routinely turn down offers of 3x the original purchase price.

So how long is the Model S going to last, what would it take to get it to 40 years, and will people be stopping me at the grocery store asking to buy it in 40 years?

Follow-up question...Can someone PLEASE saturate the market with Teslas so I can plaid one of my C10s from a salvage yard on a budget??

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Congrats on getting anything built in the 80s to last that long. Most cars from that era died before they hit 100-120k especially after CAFE standards came out.

Don't forget the belts and hoses every 4-6 years. You save a ton doing the work yourself and it helps having an older car which was still serviceable with tools in everyone's garage. Now even trained mechanics can't do a lot of service without the diagnostic tools or special equipment in any kind of car.

Can I give you $20k for it?

Mozilla: Here's Why Your Connected Car's Privacy Sucks

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We can debate if cars should last longer than this, but the market has decided this is acceptable and it appears teslas will last this long.

Average American keeps a car for three years, so more like 40,000 miles. The 150,000+ mileage vehicles are really cheap used ones.

Change that to five years, and the decreased energy used in manufacture dwarfs fuel savings by EVs.

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havent researched that one, but i call bull***** the teslas i race against ALL have aftermarket brake kits and are changing pads and rotors all the time, and this is just time trials, not full track racing. they go through brakes faster than their ICE competitors due to weight, despite using regen braking as an advantage.

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So much ignorance. 99% of Tesla owners won't run their cars on a track. Brakes on a commuter driven Tesla I'll last the life the vehicle. The only other maintenance item is tires and wiper fluid.

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Tesla brakes can last 10 years plus because you rarely use them. I drive my Tesla daily and only use the brake while driving maybe a few times a month.

I don't think the caption is right (yet) but LOL I hadn't thought about stores/retail locations/cities imposing charging time limits for EV's. Makes sense though.

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Tesla Superchargers have charge limits. Once your car is charged, you have to get off the charger or you are at risk of getting hit with idle fees of around $1/min.

If you charge at Chargepoint or the other generic public chargers, I think it is more expensive. Most charging is done at home for the average EV owner in which case this is way off. To get a full charge on a 100kw Tesla battery from no charge is $7 in Kansas and that gets you 225-325 miles. Indianapolis is more like $2 and Texas it depends on your power plan but generally should be under $11.

Thank you for explaining your Tesla.

Car rentals; be careful when renting, you might get stuck with an EV!

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Anne-Marie Angelo reserved an intermediate car from Budget Rent A Car for a one-way drive from Virginia Beach, Va., to Dulles International Airport with her 79-year-old mother in January. The rental agency didn't have her car or much else, so it assigned her a "specialty" Kia.

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The Kia Niro she got is an EV, which no one at the counter mentioned, the history professor says. Despite getting charged overnight, the battery drained quickly. With at least 70 miles to go on the drive, the range flashed 30 miles. She had to hunt for a charging station so it didn't die on I-95 in cold weather.

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The first location, a gas station listed in a crowdsourced app, didn't have one. Budget roadside assistance said they couldn't help because they don't have mobile charging units, she says. By the time she found one at a car dealership, she had to move their late flight to London and pay for a hotel.
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Hertz has made the biggest EV bet among rental agencies. It has deals to buy more than 300,000 cars from Tesla, Polestar and General Motors and a partnership with Uber to rent EVs to ride-share drivers. More than one in 10 cars in its fleet are electric, a figure the company says will jump to 25% by the end of 2024.

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Trey Johnson, a winery sales director from West Chicago, Ill., drives a 2011 Nissan Sentra. He booked a Tesla for a one-day February business trip to Louisville, Ky., instead of his usual midsize sedan because of its cheaper last-minute rate. Plus, he wanted to see what the hype was about.
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Garages wanting to accommodate the influx of EVs will require heavy investment to cater to new tech.

Many modern EVs come with 400- and 800-volt systems that could prove to be deadly if mishandled by untrained technicians. In addition to electric shock, there's also the risk posed by electric vehicle fires if the lithium batteries were to enter thermal runaway in the event of a fire, the resultant blaze could be challenging to put out without specialist equipment and training.

Existing independent shop owners are left with a chicken and egg conundrum on their hands. In a country like Italy, which has a low rate of EV adoption and poor charging infrastructure, garage owners like Roberto Petrilli are unwilling to invest. For his shop, it would require an expenditure of 30,000 ($32,600) for the necessary equipment needed to service and repair EVs.

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The shortage of both affordable independent garages and skilled labor means that the choke hold that franchise workshops have will push up repair costs and waiting times for EVs. Ultimately, it will also increase insurance prices.

UK used car warranty provider Warrantywise told Reuters that a one-year warranty on a Tesla Model 3 costs more than three times it does on a similarly-priced combustion-powered car. The reason is the lack of an alternative to the expensive franchise dealers when it comes to repairs.

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Anne-Marie Angelo reserved an intermediate car from Budget Rent A Car for a one-way drive from Virginia Beach, Va., to Dulles International Airport with her 79-year-old mother in January. The rental agency didn't have her car or much else, so it assigned her a "specialty" Kia.

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The Kia Niro she got is an EV, which no one at the counter mentioned, the history professor says. Despite getting charged overnight, the battery drained quickly. With at least 70 miles to go on the drive, the range flashed 30 miles. She had to hunt for a charging station so it didn't die on I-95 in cold weather.

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The first location, a gas station listed in a crowdsourced app, didn't have one. Budget roadside assistance said they couldn't help because they don't have mobile charging units, she says. By the time she found one at a car dealership, she had to move their late flight to London and pay for a hotel.
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Hertz has made the biggest EV bet among rental agencies. It has deals to buy more than 300,000 cars from Tesla, Polestar and General Motors and a partnership with Uber to rent EVs to ride-share drivers. More than one in 10 cars in its fleet are electric, a figure the company says will jump to 25% by the end of 2024.

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Trey Johnson, a winery sales director from West Chicago, Ill., drives a 2011 Nissan Sentra. He booked a Tesla for a one-day February business trip to Louisville, Ky., instead of his usual midsize sedan because of its cheaper last-minute rate. Plus, he wanted to see what the hype was about.
He says he asked the Hertz agent about the refueling rules and got only vague answers. He found operating the car a struggle.

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So yet more stories of morons. The lesson to learn here is not be a moron.

Pro tip. If you unexpectedly get assigned an EV as a rental car, particularly if it is a good rate, it isn't going to be an optioned-out Tesla.

I may buy an EV in the next year or two but would absolutely hate to get one as a rental in most circumstances

If you aren't very familiar with EVs do not rent or buy a non Tesla EV until they can Supercharge.

SIAP, but this seems like the start of something other hotel chains will likely follow.

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Hilton said Thursday that it plans to install at least six electric vehicle chargers per property at 2,000 hotels in North America, and will buy devices from Tesla. Once it fully installs them, Hilton will own more electric vehicle chargers than any other U.S.-based hotel group.

"Part of the reason why we're doing this is to help travelers get past their 'range anxiety,'" said Matt Schuyler, Hilton's chief brand officer. "If I knew I had a place I could stay in charge, I'd be much more comfortable planning a long-distance road trip."

What's new is that Hilton is installing up to 20,000 Tesla Universal Wall Connectors a product designed to seamlessly charge any North American electric vehicle, not just Tesla-branded ones.

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Hilton said Thursday that it plans to install at least six electric vehicle chargers per property at 2,000 hotels in North America, and will buy devices from Tesla. Once it fully installs them, Hilton will own more electric vehicle chargers than any other U.S.-based hotel group.

"Part of the reason why we're doing this is to help travelers get past their 'range anxiety,'" said Matt Schuyler, Hilton's chief brand officer. "If I knew I had a place I could stay in charge, I'd be much more comfortable planning a long-distance road trip."

What's new is that Hilton is installing up to 20,000 Tesla Universal Wall Connectors a product designed to seamlessly charge any North American electric vehicle, not just Tesla-branded ones.

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Hilton said Thursday that it plans to install at least six electric vehicle chargers per property at 2,000 hotels in North America, and will buy devices from Tesla. Once it fully installs them, Hilton will own more electric vehicle chargers than any other U.S.-based hotel group.

"Part of the reason why we're doing this is to help travelers get past their 'range anxiety,'" said Matt Schuyler, Hilton's chief brand officer. "If I knew I had a place I could stay in charge, I'd be much more comfortable planning a long-distance road trip."

What's new is that Hilton is installing up to 20,000 Tesla Universal Wall Connectors a product designed to seamlessly charge any North American electric vehicle, not just Tesla-branded ones.

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Probably. Elon started with EVs being a status symbol for those who wanted something that would get them the attention their bimmers and Mercedes no longer got them.

Having EV charging stations that close to the front will be another way those same people can get their egos stroked. That is until there's a 30k vehicle, that the auto companies are starting to work on, charging next to theirs. Then it'll just be the new norm.

In NYS you can get a model 3 for $29,940 after tax rebates and incentives.

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I charge in New Jersey.

Energy Secretary Granholm recently took 4-day EV caravan trip across the southeast to "draw attention to the billions of dollars the White House is pouring into green energy and clean cars."

What happened next is like a scene out of VEEP: pic.twitter.com/D0uuGJjJIl

— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) September 10, 2023

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Energy Secretary Granholm recently took 4-day EV caravan trip across the southeast to "draw attention to the billions of dollars the White House is pouring into green energy and clean cars."

What happened next is like a scene out of VEEP: pic.twitter.com/D0uuGJjJIl

— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) September 10, 2023

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And that just about sums up this thread.