In order to feel safe they have to project the idea that Tesla owners are all liberal greenies and not normal people that simply made an educated decision to buy a vehicle that fit their needs.

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Three dead from a Tesla vs tree crash in SLC when the passenger compartment was engulfed in flames.
https://kutv.com/news/local/three-killed-after-vehicle-hits-tree-catches-fire-on-beck-street-tesla-speed-under-investigation-fully-engulfed-flames#

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Kinda hard to escape when the doors won't open.

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Tesla doors have a mechanical emergency release

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And when they're all bent up from a wreck…
Or the sheet metal has warped from that battery fire that can't be extinguished with water…
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I mean that can happen in any serious accident.

Keep a sheet metal punch or winshield breaker in your car.

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Libs try so damn hard to convince others a product is as good or better.

It's simple. It's an inferior product right now, and there really isn't much argument. There are a ton of red flags and concerns that need to get ironed out to believe this is the best way forward. Maybe in 10 years, it will be the better product, but I'm highly skeptical. I'll stick with gas now and likely for my next vehicle purchase as well. Hoping that's a long way off since my truck is paid off.

To each their own. I'm all about choices. Nothing against EVs if that is what someone wants to do. I just ask that the government doesn't influence those choices (laughable), but rather stays the hell out of it and lets people make their own choice based on accurate information given and what their needs are.

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What does driving an EV have at all to do with being a lib? Please educate me.

Inferior product? What an asinine and uneducated statement. I could have bought any vehicle I wanted to get to work and back. The EV is the best choice I could have made by a long shot for multiple reasons.

Do you take the home owner's mortgage deduction on your taxes? Charity deduction? Do you put pretax dollars into your 401 K or use pretax dollars for your health insurance? Then you are a hypocrite for complaining about an EV tax credit..

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Never let a bad analogy keep you from posting my friend.

Any house qualifies. Any legit charity qualifies. Etc

Now, if they only allowed a deduction for giving to Christian churches, and I chose to give to a Christian church, I guess you could call me a hypocrite.

Some people don't want to drive an EV, shocking I know. And those people are not getting the same benefit. Those people are paying for part of your car.

How do you know he has an EV that qualifies for the credit?

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slaughtr said:

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beerad12man said:

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Libs try so damn hard to convince others a product is as good or better.

It's simple. It's an inferior product right now, and there really isn't much argument. There are a ton of red flags and concerns that need to get ironed out to believe this is the best way forward. Maybe in 10 years, it will be the better product, but I'm highly skeptical. I'll stick with gas now and likely for my next vehicle purchase as well. Hoping that's a long way off since my truck is paid off.

To each their own. I'm all about choices. Nothing against EVs if that is what someone wants to do. I just ask that the government doesn't influence those choices (laughable), but rather stays the hell out of it and lets people make their own choice based on accurate information given and what their needs are.

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What does driving an EV have at all to do with being a lib? Please educate me.

Inferior product? What an asinine and uneducated statement. I could have bought any vehicle I wanted to get to work and back. The EV is the best choice I could have made by a long shot for multiple reasons.

Do you take the home owner's mortgage deduction on your taxes? Charity deduction? Do you put pretax dollars into your 401 K or use pretax dollars for your health insurance? Then you are a hypocrite for complaining about an EV tax credit..

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Never let a bad analogy keep you from posting my friend.

Any house qualifies. Any legit charity qualifies. Etc

Now, if they only allowed a deduction for giving to Christian churches, and I chose to give to a Christian church, I guess you could call me a hypocrite.

Some people don't want to drive an EV, shocking I know. And those people are not getting the same benefit. Those people are paying for part of your car.

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That's ridiculous. Not all people buy a house. Not all people give to charity. The gubment decides they want to encourage some specific behavior, rightly or wrongly, and you decide if you want to participate. My guess is all the EV haters are just lol poors that live in a trailer and spend all weekend fiddling with their carburetors on their old truck because fuel injection is the devil's work. I'm truly sorry their life decisions made it impossible for them to enjoy the latest and greatest vehicles. Time to do better, my friend.

slaughtr said:

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Logos Stick said:

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slaughtr said:

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beerad12man said:

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Libs try so damn hard to convince others a product is as good or better.

It's simple. It's an inferior product right now, and there really isn't much argument. There are a ton of red flags and concerns that need to get ironed out to believe this is the best way forward. Maybe in 10 years, it will be the better product, but I'm highly skeptical. I'll stick with gas now and likely for my next vehicle purchase as well. Hoping that's a long way off since my truck is paid off.

To each their own. I'm all about choices. Nothing against EVs if that is what someone wants to do. I just ask that the government doesn't influence those choices (laughable), but rather stays the hell out of it and lets people make their own choice based on accurate information given and what their needs are.

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What does driving an EV have at all to do with being a lib? Please educate me.

Inferior product? What an asinine and uneducated statement. I could have bought any vehicle I wanted to get to work and back. The EV is the best choice I could have made by a long shot for multiple reasons.

Do you take the home owner's mortgage deduction on your taxes? Charity deduction? Do you put pretax dollars into your 401 K or use pretax dollars for your health insurance? Then you are a hypocrite for complaining about an EV tax credit..

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Never let a bad analogy keep you from posting my friend.

Any house qualifies. Any legit charity qualifies. Etc

Now, if they only allowed a deduction for giving to Christian churches, and I chose to give to a Christian church, I guess you could call me a hypocrite.

Some people don't want to drive an EV, shocking I know. And those people are not getting the same benefit. Those people are paying for part of your car.

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That's ridiculous. Not all people buy a house. Not all people give to charity. The gubment decides they want to encourage some specific behavior, rightly or wrongly, and you decide if you want to participate. My guess is all the EV haters are just lol poors that live in a trailer and spend all weekend fiddling with their carburetors on their old truck because fuel injection is the devil's work. I'm truly sorry their life decisions made it impossible for them to enjoy the latest and greatest vehicles. Time to do better, my friend.

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That's a completely different argument my friend.

My point stands.

You'd be pissed if giving to Muslim Mosques was tax deductible and no other religion was. That's exactly what is happening here.

There should be no tax credits for EV's. Tesla proved they weren't needed. It was simply a gift to the auto union and why Tesla was excluded from them in initial legislation.

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There should be no tax credits for EV's. Tesla proved they weren't needed. It was simply a gift to the auto union and why Tesla was excluded from them in initial legislation.

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The government is trying to kill ice. That's the bottom line. That's why the credits are given.

Enjoy your ICEless future.

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Logos Stick said:

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slaughtr said:

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beerad12man said:

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Libs try so damn hard to convince others a product is as good or better.

It's simple. It's an inferior product right now, and there really isn't much argument. There are a ton of red flags and concerns that need to get ironed out to believe this is the best way forward. Maybe in 10 years, it will be the better product, but I'm highly skeptical. I'll stick with gas now and likely for my next vehicle purchase as well. Hoping that's a long way off since my truck is paid off.

To each their own. I'm all about choices. Nothing against EVs if that is what someone wants to do. I just ask that the government doesn't influence those choices (laughable), but rather stays the hell out of it and lets people make their own choice based on accurate information given and what their needs are.

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What does driving an EV have at all to do with being a lib? Please educate me.

Inferior product? What an asinine and uneducated statement. I could have bought any vehicle I wanted to get to work and back. The EV is the best choice I could have made by a long shot for multiple reasons.

Do you take the home owner's mortgage deduction on your taxes? Charity deduction? Do you put pretax dollars into your 401 K or use pretax dollars for your health insurance? Then you are a hypocrite for complaining about an EV tax credit..

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Never let a bad analogy keep you from posting my friend.

Any house qualifies. Any legit charity qualifies. Etc

Now, if they only allowed a deduction for giving to Christian churches, and I chose to give to a Christian church, I guess you could call me a hypocrite.

Some people don't want to drive an EV, shocking I know. And those people are not getting the same benefit. Those people are paying for part of your car.

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That's ridiculous. Not all people buy a house. Not all people give to charity. The gubment decides they want to encourage some specific behavior, rightly or wrongly, and you decide if you want to participate. My guess is all the EV haters are just lol poors that live in a trailer and spend all weekend fiddling with their carburetors on their old truck because fuel injection is the devil's work. I'm truly sorry their life decisions made it impossible for them to enjoy the latest and greatest vehicles. Time to do better, my friend.

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That's a completely different argument my friend.

My point stands.

You'd be pissed if giving to Muslim Mosques was tax deductible and no other religion was. That's exactly what is happening here.

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I'm an atheist, so should I be pissed that any religious charity gets a tax deduction? Cause I'm not. I could care less what someone else does.

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slaughtr said:

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Logos Stick said:

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slaughtr said:

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Libs try so damn hard to convince others a product is as good or better.

It's simple. It's an inferior product right now, and there really isn't much argument. There are a ton of red flags and concerns that need to get ironed out to believe this is the best way forward. Maybe in 10 years, it will be the better product, but I'm highly skeptical. I'll stick with gas now and likely for my next vehicle purchase as well. Hoping that's a long way off since my truck is paid off.

To each their own. I'm all about choices. Nothing against EVs if that is what someone wants to do. I just ask that the government doesn't influence those choices (laughable), but rather stays the hell out of it and lets people make their own choice based on accurate information given and what their needs are.

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What does driving an EV have at all to do with being a lib? Please educate me.

Inferior product? What an asinine and uneducated statement. I could have bought any vehicle I wanted to get to work and back. The EV is the best choice I could have made by a long shot for multiple reasons.

Do you take the home owner's mortgage deduction on your taxes? Charity deduction? Do you put pretax dollars into your 401 K or use pretax dollars for your health insurance? Then you are a hypocrite for complaining about an EV tax credit..

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Never let a bad analogy keep you from posting my friend.

Any house qualifies. Any legit charity qualifies. Etc

Now, if they only allowed a deduction for giving to Christian churches, and I chose to give to a Christian church, I guess you could call me a hypocrite.

Some people don't want to drive an EV, shocking I know. And those people are not getting the same benefit. Those people are paying for part of your car.

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That's ridiculous. Not all people buy a house. Not all people give to charity. The gubment decides they want to encourage some specific behavior, rightly or wrongly, and you decide if you want to participate. My guess is all the EV haters are just lol poors that live in a trailer and spend all weekend fiddling with their carburetors on their old truck because fuel injection is the devil's work. I'm truly sorry their life decisions made it impossible for them to enjoy the latest and greatest vehicles. Time to do better, my friend.

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That's a completely different argument my friend.

My point stands.

You'd be pissed if giving to Muslim Mosques was tax deductible and no other religion was. That's exactly what is happening here.

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I'm an atheist, so should I be pissed that any religious charity gets a tax deduction? Cause I'm not. I could care less what someone else does.

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So atheists don't have charities to give to? Are you choose not to give?

If they disqualified atheist charities, you'd have a point. They don't and thus you have no point, you're just not willing to take the L.

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There should be no tax credits for EV's. Tesla proved they weren't needed. It was simply a gift to the auto union and why Tesla was excluded from them in initial legislation.

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The government is trying to kill ice. That's the bottom line. That's why the credits are given.

Enjoy your ICEless future.

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It's always about the money and buying votes. Nothing else. It was a handout to unions.

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slaughtr said:

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Logos Stick said:

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slaughtr said:

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Logos Stick said:

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slaughtr said:

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Libs try so damn hard to convince others a product is as good or better.

It's simple. It's an inferior product right now, and there really isn't much argument. There are a ton of red flags and concerns that need to get ironed out to believe this is the best way forward. Maybe in 10 years, it will be the better product, but I'm highly skeptical. I'll stick with gas now and likely for my next vehicle purchase as well. Hoping that's a long way off since my truck is paid off.

To each their own. I'm all about choices. Nothing against EVs if that is what someone wants to do. I just ask that the government doesn't influence those choices (laughable), but rather stays the hell out of it and lets people make their own choice based on accurate information given and what their needs are.

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What does driving an EV have at all to do with being a lib? Please educate me.

Inferior product? What an asinine and uneducated statement. I could have bought any vehicle I wanted to get to work and back. The EV is the best choice I could have made by a long shot for multiple reasons.

Do you take the home owner's mortgage deduction on your taxes? Charity deduction? Do you put pretax dollars into your 401 K or use pretax dollars for your health insurance? Then you are a hypocrite for complaining about an EV tax credit..

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Never let a bad analogy keep you from posting my friend.

Any house qualifies. Any legit charity qualifies. Etc

Now, if they only allowed a deduction for giving to Christian churches, and I chose to give to a Christian church, I guess you could call me a hypocrite.

Some people don't want to drive an EV, shocking I know. And those people are not getting the same benefit. Those people are paying for part of your car.

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That's ridiculous. Not all people buy a house. Not all people give to charity. The gubment decides they want to encourage some specific behavior, rightly or wrongly, and you decide if you want to participate. My guess is all the EV haters are just lol poors that live in a trailer and spend all weekend fiddling with their carburetors on their old truck because fuel injection is the devil's work. I'm truly sorry their life decisions made it impossible for them to enjoy the latest and greatest vehicles. Time to do better, my friend.

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That's a completely different argument my friend.

My point stands.

You'd be pissed if giving to Muslim Mosques was tax deductible and no other religion was. That's exactly what is happening here.

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I'm an atheist, so should I be pissed that any religious charity gets a tax deduction? Cause I'm not. I could care less what someone else does.

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So atheists don't have charities to give to? Are you choose not to give?

If they disqualified atheist charities, you'd have a point. They don't and thus you have no point, you're just not willing to take the L.

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We'll have fun with your old fashioned car then. I'll enjoy the future and spend the $7500 I got for buying it with a smile on my face. Thanks!

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Three dead from a Tesla vs tree crash in SLC when the passenger compartment was engulfed in flames.
https://kutv.com/news/local/three-killed-after-vehicle-hits-tree-catches-fire-on-beck-street-tesla-speed-under-investigation-fully-engulfed-flames#

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Kinda hard to escape when the doors won't open.

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Tesla doors have a mechanical emergency release

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And when they're all bent up from a wreck…
Or the sheet metal has warped from that battery fire that can't be extinguished with water…
????

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I mean that can happen in any serious accident.

Keep a sheet metal punch or winshield breaker in your car.

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That's what happened in the Salt Lake City fire I cited earlier. 3 occupants, car drives at high speed (characteristic for Tesla drivers in my experience) on a curve and leaves road, hitting a tree. The flames were so intense that the fire department couldn't extinguish it for an hour and a half, leaving the 3 to die. They basically had no chance to escape and the fire commander said that such batteries can produce a 5,000 degree F burn. Plus the pollution to the crash site.

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The flames were so intense that the fire department couldn't extinguish it for an hour and a half, leaving the 3 to die.

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Your article never says they were alive in the burning vehicle, nor that the fire caused their deaths. Nice add for dramatization.

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The flames were so intense that the fire department couldn't extinguish it for an hour and a half, leaving the 3 to die.

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Your article never says they were alive in the burning vehicle, nor that the fire caused their deaths. Nice add for dramatization.

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You're seriously going to downplay a fiery crash because it was in a Tesla? Come on, man.

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The flames were so intense that the fire department couldn't extinguish it for an hour and a half, leaving the 3 to die.

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Your article never says they were alive in the burning vehicle, nor that the fire caused their deaths. Nice add for dramatization.

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So you're saying safe and effective? Again?

I'm going to seriously ask for facts regarding the crash, yes. There is nothing in that article that says they were killed as a result of fire. For all we know they were killed on impact at high speed. Which happens every single day in every type of vehicle on the road.

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The flames were so intense that the fire department couldn't extinguish it for an hour and a half, leaving the 3 to die.

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Your article never says they were alive in the burning vehicle, nor that the fire caused their deaths. Nice add for dramatization.

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So you're saying safe and effective? Again?

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I'm saying not to invent narratives that don't exist. Why is that so difficult? He posted a new story, then added his own facts (them dying as a result of fire).

https://www.wsav.com/crime-safety/5-people-died-in-a-fiery-wrong-way-crash-in-middle-georgia/

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A woman and three passengers in a sedan were driving south Tuesday in the northbound lanes of U.S. 441 when the vehicle hit a northbound SUV driven by another person, officials said. All five died in the fiery aftermath of the head-on collision near Lake Sinclair, north of Milledgeville.

The crash happened just before 1 a.m. on a four-lane stretch of the highway, Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills told local news outlets. He said the Honda Civic, driven by 22-year-old Hailey Brooke Hayes, appeared to have been on the wrong side of the highway for more than a mile when it hit a Nissan Xterra driven by Mayla Dostie, 44.

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Ban unsafe ICE vehicles now right?

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https://www.wsav.com/crime-safety/5-people-died-in-a-fiery-wrong-way-crash-in-middle-georgia/

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A woman and three passengers in a sedan were driving south Tuesday in the northbound lanes of U.S. 441 when the vehicle hit a northbound SUV driven by another person, officials said. All five died in the fiery aftermath of the head-on collision near Lake Sinclair, north of Milledgeville.

The crash happened just before 1 a.m. on a four-lane stretch of the highway, Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills told local news outlets. He said the Honda Civic, driven by 22-year-old Hailey Brooke Hayes, appeared to have been on the wrong side of the highway for more than a mile when it hit a Nissan Xterra driven by Mayla Dostie, 44.

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Showing an ICE vehicle crash really doesn't help your argument though. Yes, all vehicles crash but the point you're refusing to admit is EVs have a far more dangerous fire threshold and some of the software can be dangerous too.

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The flames were so intense that the fire department couldn't extinguish it for an hour and a half, leaving the 3 to die.

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Your article never says they were alive in the burning vehicle, nor that the fire caused their deaths. Nice add for dramatization.

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I didn't say they were alive because I don't know. The article and the fire folks say the flame onset was so rapid and intense and widespread that they had no chance to escape if they were alive.

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You literally just made this part up. Again. And when you said "left to die" you insinuated that the fire killed them. You can't make that claim until you know or a fact they survived the impact.

Except that Teslas are among the most, if not the most safest cars on the road.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/tesla-flawless-squeaky-clean-nhtsa-history/

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Teslas are some of the safest vehicles on the road (even with the controversial Autopilot feature). A 2016 NHTSA study concluded that Tesla cars with the Autopilot function were involved in 0.8 crashes per million miles, compared with 1.3 crashes per million in cars without Autopilot.

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https://www.motorbiscuit.com/are-tesla-cars-safe/

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Despite concerns about fire and the trustworthiness of autonomous driving systems, Tesla's most affordable cars, the Model 3 and Model Y, get top safety scores. For example, the Model 3 and Y got five-star ratings for 2022 from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).

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Ship carrying cars off Holland for the past week actually has/had 500, not 25 BEV's onboard.

Sad.

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No I didn't. They were "left to die" regardless of whether anyone was alive or not because we don't know the passenger positions nor do we have publicly available data on the crash physics. We DO know that a very quick and furious fire ignited because of the batteries and that forced any would-be rescuers to postpone any rescue attempts. If you want to dispute the extent, onset and intensity of the fire, maybe you could cite a firefighting source to repudiate what the on scene incident commander related.

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Except that Teslas are among the most, if not the most safest cars on the road.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/tesla-flawless-squeaky-clean-nhtsa-history/

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Teslas are some of the safest vehicles on the road (even with the controversial Autopilot feature). A 2016 NHTSA study concluded that Tesla cars with the Autopilot function were involved in 0.8 crashes per million miles, compared with 1.3 crashes per million in cars without Autopilot.

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https://www.motorbiscuit.com/are-tesla-cars-safe/

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Despite concerns about fire and the trustworthiness of autonomous driving systems, Tesla's most affordable cars, the Model 3 and Model Y, get top safety scores. For example, the Model 3 and Y got five-star ratings for 2022 from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).

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"Among the safest vehicle on the road"

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Except that Teslas are among the most, if not the most safest cars on the road.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/tesla-flawless-squeaky-clean-nhtsa-history/

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Teslas are some of the safest vehicles on the road (even with the controversial Autopilot feature). A 2016 NHTSA study concluded that Tesla cars with the Autopilot function were involved in 0.8 crashes per million miles, compared with 1.3 crashes per million in cars without Autopilot.

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https://www.motorbiscuit.com/are-tesla-cars-safe/

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Despite concerns about fire and the trustworthiness of autonomous driving systems, Tesla's most affordable cars, the Model 3 and Model Y, get top safety scores. For example, the Model 3 and Y got five-star ratings for 2022 from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).

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Which is more often than others rated lower. Which is almost every other vehicle.

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Except that Teslas are among the most, if not the most safest cars on the road.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/tesla-flawless-squeaky-clean-nhtsa-history/

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Teslas are some of the safest vehicles on the road (even with the controversial Autopilot feature). A 2016 NHTSA study concluded that Tesla cars with the Autopilot function were involved in 0.8 crashes per million miles, compared with 1.3 crashes per million in cars without Autopilot.

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https://www.motorbiscuit.com/are-tesla-cars-safe/

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Despite concerns about fire and the trustworthiness of autonomous driving systems, Tesla's most affordable cars, the Model 3 and Model Y, get top safety scores. For example, the Model 3 and Y got five-star ratings for 2022 from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2023/08/01/new-tesla-vehicles-under-investigation-for-losing-steering-control/amp/

From your link...

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The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration received 12 complaints alleging a loss of steering control and power steering in 2023 Model 3 and Model Y vehicles, of which five reported an inability to steer the vehicle, according to a filing by the agencythough only one crash was reported.

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12 complaints total for the best selling car in the country. Thank you for proving it's the safest car on the road for me. In Q1 Tesla sold almost 250,000 Model Y's.

That's 12 complaints out of 250,000 cars sold in Q1 2023. Or 0.0048% of the cars.

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From your link...

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The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration received 12 complaints alleging a loss of steering control and power steering in 2023 Model 3 and Model Y vehicles, of which five reported an inability to steer the vehicle, according to a filing by the agencythough only one crash was reported.

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12 complaints total for the best selling car in the country. Thank you for proving it's the safest car on the road for me.

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You do you.

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From your link...

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The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration received 12 complaints alleging a loss of steering control and power steering in 2023 Model 3 and Model Y vehicles, of which five reported an inability to steer the vehicle, according to a filing by the agencythough only one crash was reported.

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12 complaints total for the best selling car in the country. Thank you for proving it's the safest car on the road for me. In Q1 Tesla sold almost 250,000 Model Y's.

That's 12 complaints out of 250,000 cars sold in Q1 2023. Or 0.0048% of the cars.

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You just had to bring percentages into this, didn't you?

Meanwhile, the most popular vehicle in the country is under going an 800,000 vehicle safety recall...


https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/31/business/ford-f-150-parking-brake-recall/index.html

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Ford has recalled more than 870,000 of its full-sized F-150 trucks because the electronic parking brake could engage unexpectedly at any time, including while the vehicle is being driven. That could cause a loss of control and possibly a crash.

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But like 12 is bad folks...

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Meanwhile, the most popular vehicle in the country is under going an 800,000 vehicle safety recall...


https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/31/business/ford-f-150-parking-brake-recall/index.html

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Ford has recalled more than 870,000 of its full-sized F-150 trucks because the electronic parking brake could engage unexpectedly at any time, including while the vehicle is being driven. That could cause a loss of control and possibly a crash.

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But like 12 is bad folks...

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Oh, Fords suck too. No question.