The complaints about advertised range are entertaining. Who's every taken their ICE car in because they weren't getting the estimated MPG? (Unless it was way off, indicating an engine issue.)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-settlement/volkswagen-overstated-fuel-economy-on-98000-u-s-vehicles-will-repay-consumers-idUSKCN1VK2AT

98,000 Volkswagen owners

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2019/07/22/1-2-billion-lawsuit-ford-falsified-f-150-fuel-economy-tests/1799619001/

And the F150. I can empathize with this one. My first Ecoboost never got close to its estimated MPG.

https://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-hyundai-kia-epa-fine-20141103-story.html

Hyundai and Kia were hit a 100 million dollar fine for overstating range in 2014. How many more should I post?

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https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_jo/GUID-7FE78D73-0A17-47C4-B21B-54F641FFAEF4.html#:~:text=Temperature%20Limits,24%20hours%20at%20a%20time.

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For better long-term performance, avoid exposing Model 3 to ambient temperatures above 60 C or below -30 C for more than 24 hours at a time.

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How's that working out in Texas?

Well the top recorded temperature in Texas ever is 48.8C so…. Fine?

Mine got like 14-15mpg every time I drove down 71… because reasons.

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https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_jo/GUID-7FE78D73-0A17-47C4-B21B-54F641FFAEF4.html#:~:text=Temperature%20Limits,24%20hours%20at%20a%20time.

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For better long-term performance, avoid exposing Model 3 to ambient temperatures above 60 C or below -30 C for more than 24 hours at a time.

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How's that working out in Texas?

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I generally avoid 140 degree heat whether I had a Tesla or not

Mazda seems to be doing well right now, imho. Considering a CX-90 or more likely CX-70 next, myself.

I don't aspire to do so, but if Toyota does wind up proving to finally have a 'holy grail' tech breakthrough(s) coming soon I'd be interested in learning about it:

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CleanTechnica readers, being the well-informed people they are, are aware that the leap from the laboratory to commercial production is often long and difficult. If Toyota has made progress in that area, that is indeed something to be celebrated. But once again, we have to emphasize, that is a big "if."

Specifics Are Lacking

Nevertheless, our readers will want to know some specifics, things like energy density, charge and discharge rates, the number of charging cycles possible, how the batteries perform in cold temperatures, what they are made of things like that. They have been trained over many years to be skeptical of announcements such as this one. After all, companies like QuantumScapehave been making similar promises for almost a decade, and we are all still waiting for that company to get its batteries into production.

David Bailey, a professor of business economics at the University of Birmingham, told The Guardian that if Toyota's claims are accurate, it could be a landmark moment for the future of electric cars. "Often there are breakthroughs at the prototype stage but then scaling it up is difficult. If it is a genuine breakthrough it could be a game changer very much the holy grail of battery vehicles." Congratulations to Bailey for using two of the three most trite phrases about new technology in one sentence.

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If 90% of your trips are in town, range doesn't matter man. /s

Buy that Mazda 30 before they kill it.

If you're up by 6am most days, no need to get curtains/shades that cover your whole window, save a few bucks and get a cheap set that is a few inches too short/wide.

We don't need heaters in our homes in Texas, as it is warm most of the year.

Surprising, but I guess it shouldn't be.

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If you're up by 6am most days, no need to get curtains/shades that cover your whole window, save a few bucks and get a cheap set that is a few inches too short/wide.

We don't need heaters in our homes in Texas, as it is warm most of the year.

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Underground temperatures don't vary all that much during the year. Move into an underground house.

Some years ago, I read about some underground town in Australia where it is just too hot to have houses above ground. By having them underground, the temperatures stay in a comfortable range year round.

One of my nearer neighbors growing up was a family living ina dugout. Think of it like a large basement with a roof on top. I was in that house a few times growing up and it was always quite comfortable.

Tornadoes should have little effect as well. Just watch out for monsoons.

Three dead from a Tesla vs tree crash in SLC when the passenger compartment was engulfed in flames.
https://kutv.com/news/local/three-killed-after-vehicle-hits-tree-catches-fire-on-beck-street-tesla-speed-under-investigation-fully-engulfed-flames#

People never died in high speed accidents until EV's

Sounds like it could be any vehicle

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Three dead from a Tesla vs tree crash in SLC when the passenger compartment was engulfed in flames.
https://kutv.com/news/local/three-killed-after-vehicle-hits-tree-catches-fire-on-beck-street-tesla-speed-under-investigation-fully-engulfed-flames#

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Kinda hard to escape when the doors won't open.

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Three dead from a Tesla vs tree crash in SLC when the passenger compartment was engulfed in flames.
https://kutv.com/news/local/three-killed-after-vehicle-hits-tree-catches-fire-on-beck-street-tesla-speed-under-investigation-fully-engulfed-flames#

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Kinda hard to escape when the doors won't open.

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Tesla doors have a mechanical emergency release

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Three dead from a Tesla vs tree crash in SLC when the passenger compartment was engulfed in flames.
https://kutv.com/news/local/three-killed-after-vehicle-hits-tree-catches-fire-on-beck-street-tesla-speed-under-investigation-fully-engulfed-flames#

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Kinda hard to escape when the doors won't open.

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And when they're all bent up from a wreck…
Or the sheet metal has warped from that battery fire that can't be extinguished with water…
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Three dead from a Tesla vs tree crash in SLC when the passenger compartment was engulfed in flames.
https://kutv.com/news/local/three-killed-after-vehicle-hits-tree-catches-fire-on-beck-street-tesla-speed-under-investigation-fully-engulfed-flames#

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Kinda hard to escape when the doors won't open.

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I hear that's a problem on carbon fiber submarines, too.

E-bike fires threaten EV adoption rate.

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This year alone, the city of New York has reported 13 deaths as a result of battery fires. That's already over twice the fatalities (six) reported in all of 2022.

In a very notable example, an e-bike store was the site where a fire erupted and ultimately killed four people in apartments above the store. In that case, the store owner violated multiple rules surrounding the number of devices at the location and the way they were charged.

"You go from no fire at all to a fully involved fire within seconds," said Daniel Flynn, chief fire marshal at the Fire Department of New York toAutomotive News. "This isn't something that we've really seen for accidental fires in the past. These behave almost like an incendiary fire, like arson, like a gas pour, with the speed that they travel."

Officials say that the real issue at hand is a lack of regulation. Subpar manufacturing standards create batteries that are more volatile, less robust, and thus prone to thermal runaway that leads to fires. "We just need to make them safe, and there is a way to make them safe through testing and certification," says Robert Slone, the senior vice president and chief scientist for UL Solutions.

UL Solutions is one company that tests and certifies batteries to ensure that they're safe and reliable. Experts suggest never leaving a battery on a charger once it's full and following all instructions from the manufacturer.

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That's gonna be a 'no' for me. I am sure everyone gets up at 2am to unplug their car/bike once it is charged fully, just like we all check our smoke detectors weekly per the instruction manual.

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Three dead from a Tesla vs tree crash in SLC when the passenger compartment was engulfed in flames.
https://kutv.com/news/local/three-killed-after-vehicle-hits-tree-catches-fire-on-beck-street-tesla-speed-under-investigation-fully-engulfed-flames#

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Kinda hard to escape when the doors won't open.

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And when they're all bent up from a wreck…
Or the sheet metal has warped from that battery fire that can't be extinguished with water…
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This year alone, the city of New York has reported 13 deaths as a result of battery fires. That's already over twice the fatalities (six) reported in all of 2022.

In a very notable example, an e-bike store was the site where a fire erupted and ultimately killed four people in apartments above the store. In that case, the store owner violated multiple rules surrounding the number of devices at the location and the way they were charged.

"You go from no fire at all to a fully involved fire within seconds," said Daniel Flynn, chief fire marshal at the Fire Department of New York toAutomotive News. "This isn't something that we've really seen for accidental fires in the past. These behave almost like an incendiary fire, like arson, like a gas pour, with the speed that they travel."

Officials say that the real issue at hand is a lack of regulation. Subpar manufacturing standards create batteries that are more volatile, less robust, and thus prone to thermal runaway that leads to fires. "We just need to make them safe, and there is a way to make them safe through testing and certification," says Robert Slone, the senior vice president and chief scientist for UL Solutions.

UL Solutions is one company that tests and certifies batteries to ensure that they're safe and reliable. Experts suggest never leaving a battery on a charger once it's full and following all instructions from the manufacturer.

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That's gonna be a 'no' for me. I am sure everyone gets up at 2am to unplug their car/bike once it is charged fully, just like we all check our smoke detectors weekly per the instruction manual.

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Tesla batteries, and I'm pretty sure, every EV had a charge limit setting. Tesla recommends 80% for daily driving, reserving 100% for long commutes. You can also schedule programs for charge cycles and times on your phone.

That one poster was right. EV haters never take the time to understand the vehicles and what they do. They are basically the rights version of gun control advocates who know nothing about firearms.

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This year alone, the city of New York has reported 13 deaths as a result of battery fires. That's already over twice the fatalities (six) reported in all of 2022.

In a very notable example, an e-bike store was the site where a fire erupted and ultimately killed four people in apartments above the store. In that case, the store owner violated multiple rules surrounding the number of devices at the location and the way they were charged.

"You go from no fire at all to a fully involved fire within seconds," said Daniel Flynn, chief fire marshal at the Fire Department of New York toAutomotive News. "This isn't something that we've really seen for accidental fires in the past. These behave almost like an incendiary fire, like arson, like a gas pour, with the speed that they travel."

Officials say that the real issue at hand is a lack of regulation. Subpar manufacturing standards create batteries that are more volatile, less robust, and thus prone to thermal runaway that leads to fires. "We just need to make them safe, and there is a way to make them safe through testing and certification," says Robert Slone, the senior vice president and chief scientist for UL Solutions.

UL Solutions is one company that tests and certifies batteries to ensure that they're safe and reliable. Experts suggest never leaving a battery on a charger once it's full and following all instructions from the manufacturer.

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That's gonna be a 'no' for me. I am sure everyone gets up at 2am to unplug their car/bike once it is charged fully, just like we all check our smoke detectors weekly per the instruction manual.

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I'm sure Tesla does. He then bows down and prays to it.

Nope. I adjust the slider on my phone to 80% and leave it there. The horror.

No doubt.

Also, LOL @ the growing deficit in fast chargers that will continue to be a problem in…the middle of the country. Texas has 11 fast chargers per million people? I kinda like being able to stop at a gas station conveniently whenever I want to top off quickly. Hey, we're beating Oklahoma at least, they only have 9 per mm!

Harsh reality: Midwest states' infrastructure 'below average' for transition to electric vehicles | Just The News https://t.co/O3j2mJF6GB

— John Solomon (@jsolomonReports) July 31, 2023

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The move the seven automakers announced Wednesday will attempt to do that by doubling the number of chargers in the U.S., but moving EV market share from 5% to 60% is multiplying by 12.

The 30,000 figure the automakers announced in their news release also includes an unspecified number for Canada.

"Assuming Tesla and other existing electric vehicle charging networks continue to expand we could get closer to solving the infrastructure problem. But each of these fast chargers can cost $50,000 or more to install, and this joint effort claims it will utilize 100 percent renewable energy to power the new chargers, which can only mean higher costs for each unit," Brauer said.

The National Renewable Energy Laboratory said in a June report that the country needs 182,000 fast chargers by 2030. The seven automakers' collaboration only brings the country one-third of the way.

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No doubt.

Also, LOL @ the growing deficit in fast chargers that will continue to be a problem in…the middle of the country. Texas has 11 fast chargers per million people? I kinda like being able to stop at a gas station conveniently whenever I want to top off quickly. Hey, we're beating Oklahoma at least, they only have 9 per mm!

Harsh reality: Midwest states' infrastructure 'below average' for transition to electric vehicles | Just The News https://t.co/O3j2mJF6GB

— John Solomon (@jsolomonReports) July 31, 2023

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The move the seven automakers announced Wednesday will attempt to do that by doubling the number of chargers in the U.S., but moving EV market share from 5% to 60% is multiplying by 12.

The 30,000 figure the automakers announced in their news release also includes an unspecified number for Canada.

"Assuming Tesla and other existing electric vehicle charging networks continue to expand we could get closer to solving the infrastructure problem. But each of these fast chargers can cost $50,000 or more to install, and this joint effort claims it will utilize 100 percent renewable energy to power the new chargers, which can only mean higher costs for each unit," Brauer said.

The National Renewable Energy Laboratory said in a June report that the country needs 182,000 fast chargers by 2030. The seven automakers' collaboration only brings the country one-third of the way.

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"The current number of super chargers is static and will not increase" - 100 Tanks

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No doubt.

Also, LOL @ the growing deficit in fast chargers that will continue to be a problem in…the middle of the country. Texas has 11 fast chargers per million people? I kinda like being able to stop at a gas station conveniently whenever I want to top off quickly. Hey, we're beating Oklahoma at least, they only have 9 per mm!

Harsh reality: Midwest states' infrastructure 'below average' for transition to electric vehicles | Just The News https://t.co/O3j2mJF6GB

— John Solomon (@jsolomonReports) July 31, 2023

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The move the seven automakers announced Wednesday will attempt to do that by doubling the number of chargers in the U.S., but moving EV market share from 5% to 60% is multiplying by 12.

The 30,000 figure the automakers announced in their news release also includes an unspecified number for Canada.

"Assuming Tesla and other existing electric vehicle charging networks continue to expand we could get closer to solving the infrastructure problem. But each of these fast chargers can cost $50,000 or more to install, and this joint effort claims it will utilize 100 percent renewable energy to power the new chargers, which can only mean higher costs for each unit," Brauer said.

The National Renewable Energy Laboratory said in a June report that the country needs 182,000 fast chargers by 2030. The seven automakers' collaboration only brings the country one-third of the way.

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good thing I have a charger at home eh? Do you keep spare gas in a gas tank in your garage and top off when you're low on fuel? I'm sure you do right? same concept

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No doubt.

Also, LOL @ the growing deficit in fast chargers that will continue to be a problem in…the middle of the country. Texas has 11 fast chargers per million people? I kinda like being able to stop at a gas station conveniently whenever I want to top off quickly. Hey, we're beating Oklahoma at least, they only have 9 per mm!

Harsh reality: Midwest states' infrastructure 'below average' for transition to electric vehicles | Just The News https://t.co/O3j2mJF6GB

— John Solomon (@jsolomonReports) July 31, 2023

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The move the seven automakers announced Wednesday will attempt to do that by doubling the number of chargers in the U.S., but moving EV market share from 5% to 60% is multiplying by 12.

The 30,000 figure the automakers announced in their news release also includes an unspecified number for Canada.

"Assuming Tesla and other existing electric vehicle charging networks continue to expand we could get closer to solving the infrastructure problem. But each of these fast chargers can cost $50,000 or more to install, and this joint effort claims it will utilize 100 percent renewable energy to power the new chargers, which can only mean higher costs for each unit," Brauer said.

The National Renewable Energy Laboratory said in a June report that the country needs 182,000 fast chargers by 2030. The seven automakers' collaboration only brings the country one-third of the way.

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good thing I have a charger at home eh? Do you keep spare gas in a gas tank in your garage and top off when you're low on fuel? I'm sure you do right? same concept

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Then why do they say we need 182,000 fast chargers across the country?

You should write and tell them EV owners won't need them cuz home charging. Lol

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No doubt.

Also, LOL @ the growing deficit in fast chargers that will continue to be a problem in…the middle of the country. Texas has 11 fast chargers per million people? I kinda like being able to stop at a gas station conveniently whenever I want to top off quickly. Hey, we're beating Oklahoma at least, they only have 9 per mm!

Harsh reality: Midwest states' infrastructure 'below average' for transition to electric vehicles | Just The News https://t.co/O3j2mJF6GB

— John Solomon (@jsolomonReports) July 31, 2023

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The move the seven automakers announced Wednesday will attempt to do that by doubling the number of chargers in the U.S., but moving EV market share from 5% to 60% is multiplying by 12.

The 30,000 figure the automakers announced in their news release also includes an unspecified number for Canada.

"Assuming Tesla and other existing electric vehicle charging networks continue to expand we could get closer to solving the infrastructure problem. But each of these fast chargers can cost $50,000 or more to install, and this joint effort claims it will utilize 100 percent renewable energy to power the new chargers, which can only mean higher costs for each unit," Brauer said.

The National Renewable Energy Laboratory said in a June report that the country needs 182,000 fast chargers by 2030. The seven automakers' collaboration only brings the country one-third of the way.

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good thing I have a charger at home eh? Do you keep spare gas in a gas tank in your garage and top off when you're low on fuel? I'm sure you do right? same concept

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Then why do they say we need 182,000 fast chargers across the country?

You should write and tell them EV owners won't need them cuz home charging. Lol

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huh? this guy was inferring we don't have enough fast chargers in the US. I was replying to him. try to keep up.

Libs try so damn hard to convince others a product is as good or better.

It's simple. It's an inferior product right now, and there really isn't much argument. There are a ton of red flags and concerns that need to get ironed out to believe this is the best way forward. Maybe in 10 years, it will be the better product, but I'm highly skeptical. I'll stick with gas now and likely for my next vehicle purchase as well. Hoping that's a long way off since my truck is paid off.

To each their own. I'm all about choices. Nothing against EVs if that is what someone wants to do. I just ask that the government doesn't influence those choices (laughable), but rather stays the hell out of it and lets people make their own choice based on accurate information given and what their needs are.

I know exactly what was said and to whom.

Your response makes no sense imo.

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This depends on the family, location, and driving habits.

LOL, Clarkson's take on EV's (and pretty much anything else, including farming)…is amusing.

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In a recent critique, television star and car enthusiast Jeremy Clarkson has voiced serious concerns about the safety of electric vehicles, calling them "bloody dangerous." His concern goes beyond cars to other devices powered by batteries, like electric bikes. Clarkson writes, "People have died, and that's not surprising when you learn that a fully charged e-bike contains the same explosive energy as six hand grenades."

"Electric cars are also bloody dangerous," Clarkson states. "In total, there have been ten major fires on ships carrying electric cars in the past 20 years. And it's not like salt water is to blame. Because in the last five years, the emergency services have been called out to 753 electric vehicle fires in the UK alone."

The television presenter also highlighted the potential dangers of electric bikes, stating that they have caused hundreds of catastrophic house fires. He drew attention to the explosive energy contained in a fully charged e-bike, comparing it to the power of multiple hand grenades.

"People have died, and that's not surprising when you learn that a fully charged e-bike contains the same explosive energy as six hand grenades," he said.

Clarkson also pointed out the difficulty in extinguishing fires in electric vehicles, citing an incident where an electric car burned for days due to a phenomenon known as "thermal runaway" in the battery pack.
"The electrical car that Richard Hammond rolled down a hill while filming for the Grand Tour burned for days. And then, after the fire had died down, something in the battery pack called 'thermal runaway' caused it to rear back up again. And this went on for weeks," Clarkson explained.

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Libs try so damn hard to convince others a product is as good or better.

It's simple. It's an inferior product right now, and there really isn't much argument. There are a ton of red flags and concerns that need to get ironed out to believe this is the best way forward. Maybe in 10 years, it will be the better product, but I'm highly skeptical. I'll stick with gas now and likely for my next vehicle purchase as well. Hoping that's a long way off since my truck is paid off.

To each their own. I'm all about choices. Nothing against EVs if that is what someone wants to do. I just ask that the government doesn't influence those choices (laughable), but rather stays the hell out of it and lets people make their own choice based on accurate information given and what their needs are.

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What does driving an EV have at all to do with being a lib? Please educate me.

Inferior product? What an asinine and uneducated statement. I could have bought any vehicle I wanted to get to work and back. The EV is the best choice I could have made by a long shot for multiple reasons.

Do you take the home owner's mortgage deduction on your taxes? Charity deduction? Do you put pretax dollars into your 401 K or use pretax dollars for your health insurance? Then you are a hypocrite for complaining about an EV tax credit..