I have no outlet for my vehicle…. The average American drives 40mi or less a day.

40 miles can be retained in 13h on a Model Y. Plug in when you get home, unplug when you go to work. Go to super charger if needed

Manhattan said:

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I have no outlet for my vehicle…. The average American drives 40mi or less a day.

40 miles can be retained in 13h on a Model Y. Plug in when you get home, unplug when you go to work. Go to super charger if needed

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Cannot wait for the day the 40mi round trip commuter tells his boss he cannot be in until noon the next day because he went to happy hour and dinner the night before and the car is not charged enough.

Such... innovation!

In my car you would have to do that nine times in a row before it's an issue… or go to the supercharger for 3 minutes….

No way in hell I'd get an EV without a 240v at home. Having to charge elsewhere negates one of the main selling points of an EV. Fortunately it's not some huge obstacle to have it installed.

fka ftc said:

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Manhattan said:

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I have no outlet for my vehicle…. The average American drives 40mi or less a day.

40 miles can be retained in 13h on a Model Y. Plug in when you get home, unplug when you go to work. Go to super charger if needed

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Cannot wait for the day the 40mi round trip commuter tells his boss he cannot be in until noon the next day because he went to happy hour and dinner the night before and the car is not charged enough.

Such... innovation!

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So many flaws with this argument. Also, I'm sure no one has ever missed work b/c they ran out of gas.

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No way in hell I'd get an EV without a 240v at home. Having to charge elsewhere negates one of the main selling points of an EV. Fortunately it's not some huge obstacle to have it installed.

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Agreed fortunately this is something that's relatively easy for the DIY'er and a YouTube connection

It's not an argument, it's sarcasm.

EVs are a niche. Will settle at about 25%. After that, we better find something alternate.

fka ftc said:

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It's not an argument, it's sarcasm.

EVs are a niche. Will settle at about 25%. After that, we better find something alternate.

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Prepare for disappointment

You have said this a lot of times in the discussions about electric vehicles, but have never described what the limiter is that makes them palatable to 25% of the market and unpalatable to the rest of the market. Care to expound, or is it just your gut?

hph6203 said:

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You have said this a lot of times in the discussions about electric vehicles, but have never described what the limiter is that makes them palatable to 25% of the market and unpalatable to the rest of the market. Care to expound, or is it just your gut?

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Source = "trust me bro"

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hph6203 said:

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You have said this a lot of times in the discussions about electric vehicles, but have never described what the limiter is that makes them palatable to 25% of the market and unpalatable to the rest of the market. Care to expound, or is it just your gut?

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Source = "trust me bro"

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Wisdom and Common Sense can go a long way.

Those two things combined with Intelligence leads me to my conclusion.

If I am wrong, I am wrong. But NOBODY has the data as it occurs in the future.

Maybe an awesome battery tech comes on board with ultra fast recharging. Maybe roads and parking spots that are induction chargers. Then maybe that number is north of 75%.

Maybe a new tech limits ICE to negligible or zero emissions. Then maybe the penetration never reaches 10%.

So 25% seems like an absolutely reasonable guess. Just as good as anyone else's.

Translation: China-cars overrun Europe +++ market share triples +++ exports to China collapse +++ Here is how dangerous it is for our industry

It's indeed a striking reversal of trade patterns in cars, as our piece this week explains. https://t.co/dGHD1EwCO9

— Christian Odendahl (@COdendahl) May 16, 2023

It has begun in earnest now.

Lincoln is going to sell a Chinese-built SUV here this year. All EV's, propaganda aside, are basically the CCP on wheels.

My company utilizes tractors at airports. All of the electric units we're forced to buy now come from China. Before COVID they were built in the US.

Not to worry. Indonesia is stepping up and allowing their country to be despoiled supporting EV battery production. Their energy production is 60% coal fired. It's a shell game to claim saving the environment is a primary motivation to go to EVs.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/09/21/indonesias-electric-vehicle-batteries-dream-has-a-dirty-nickel-problem/amp/

Indonesia is a pawn in the game, and AGW is of course a huge scam, nothing more or less.

China owns the battery market, period. Autoblog summary:

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The race to build a better (translation: cheaper) battery for the soon-to-come wave of electric cars has barely begun. But The New York Times has already declared a winner.

In a thoroughly researched article this week in the Times, called "Can the world make an electric car battery without China?," the reporters conclude that the Chinese have already captured the prize. They are "so far ahead mining rare minerals, training engineers and building huge factories that the rest of the world may take decades to catch up."

Bold predictions, but reporters Keith Bradshaw and Agnes Chang take pains to back them up, by detailing China's super ambitious chain of production, from taking raw materials out of the earth to actually building the vehicles that use the lithium ion batteries.

Theirs is a scenario focusing on supply controls mining ingredients such as cobalt, lithium, nickel, and more that is likely to allow the Chinese a dominant position in the battery chase. And while Western countries are playing catch-up to source these materials, they have balked at investing "into countries with unstable governments or poor labor practices. And they have been slow to ramp up their own production," the story goes on to say.

The Chinese, on the other hand, lack such restraints and have relied on state funds to acquire stakes in mining firms on five continents. As a result, the reports states, "China controls 41 percent of the world's cobalt mining, and the most mining for lithium, which carries a battery's electric charge."

The piece goes on to explain the complex processing and refining steps needed to create a usable battery, and says that once again the Chinese have the upper hand there. Today, it says, the United States "has little processing capability. A refinery typically takes two to five years to build. Training workers and adjusting equipment can take additional time."

For high schoolers looking to cite some relevant source material for their term papers on EVs, the Times story is a font of information, displayed quick-hit style right up front:

• Cobalt mining: 41% globally is Chinese owned
• Cobalt refining: 73% in China
• Cathodes: 77% made in China
• Anodes: 92% made in China
• Battery cells: 66% assembled in China
• Electric cars: 54% built in China

"China has the most electric cars on the road, and nearly all of them use Chinese-made batteries," the piece says. "In 2015, Beijing enacted policies to block foreign rivals and raise consumer demand. … Electric car buyers in China get tax rebates, cheaper vehicle registration, preferential parking and access to an extensive charging network."

Although car manufacturers in other countries spend big on alluring ads hyping an "inevitable" electric vehicle future, the Chinese spend on battery research. The Times story concludes by noting that it's "next to impossible" for any other country to become self-reliant in the battery supply chain.

Says Scott Kennedy, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, "There is no way anybody is going to become successful in electric vehicles without having some type of cooperation with China, either directly or indirectly."

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— Xi Van Fleet (@XVanFleet) May 16, 2023

Imagine having to provide a urine sample to determine if/when you can charge/refill your car as The Party does across the sea already.

That has nothing to do with electric cars.

fka ftc said:

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It's not an argument, it's sarcasm.

EVs are a niche. Will settle at about 25%. After that, we better find something alternate.

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Government regulations will make sure its 100%

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fka ftc said:

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It's not an argument, it's sarcasm.

EVs are a niche. Will settle at about 25%. After that, we better find something alternate.

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Government regulations will make sure its 100%

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Civil War 2.0 will get hot before we ever get close to 50%. That or we are all speaking Mandarin and having our pee tested and blood drawn to ensure we are pure.

Hitler and the Nazis have nothing on the Dems / Chinese.

bmks270 said:

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That has nothing to do with electric cars.

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It has everything to do with them. It's the CCP that is foisting this upon us. Every EV should have a CCP flag on the bumper, imho.

EV's are a mechanism to control freedom of movement, in addition to an economic wedge for geopolitical advantage for the CCP, in addition to being terrible for the environment. See above, or here. Lithium iron phosphate (cobalt-free) batteries and Tesla, as well as political pushes for EV mandates in the EU and US have been part of their play for many years. Note, that article isn't propaganda-free at all. They will hit Europe first, then the US.

I hope more people do their own research on this. I don't give a damn about some folks belief in 'global warming' but I do care that my family/kids/grandkids will have to deal with the mess that China is going to make of our freedoms. EV's, like our open border, are just a component of their play.

Need to tie in Ukraine, pizza, Q, and the kraken to hit politics board bingo. Still a solid tin foil effort.

GAC06 said:

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Need to tie in Ukraine, pizza, Q, and the kraken to hit politics board bingo. Still a solid tin foil effort.

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All of this is true. When I bought my Tesla I really didn't want it. But the CCP operative with the gun to my head left me little choice.

Teslag said:

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All of this is true. When I bought my Tesla I really didn't want it. But the CCP operative with the gun to my head left me little choice.

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I know you think that is funny, congrats. In truth he offered you an extra Fauci flu booster shot, didn't he? Or was it a Ukraine bumper sticker?

I was offered all of those things plus the opportunity to pay 10% directly to Biden for a grift.

👀👇🏻https://t.co/WEBUFNPQBf

— Domenico De Giorgio, EU. Capre Diem (not a typo). (@degiorgiod) May 20, 2023

EV is the future, and the sanctions are working!

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👀👇🏻https://t.co/WEBUFNPQBf

— Domenico De Giorgio, EU. Capre Diem (not a typo). (@degiorgiod) May 20, 2023

EV is the future, and the sanctions are working!

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I must have the wrong numbers. At 13 cents per kWh, that looks to be an additional $300 per vehicle.

They wouldn't cancel for that amount so it must be a whole lot more.

EVs on a massive scale is pure fantasy imo.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/25/23737896/ford-tesla-ev-fast-charging-elon-musk-twitter-space

Interesting, Ford going with the Tesla plug standard....

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Ford CEO Jim Farley and Elon Musk just announced that in early 2024 all 12,000 Tesla Superchargers will be operational with Ford vehicles. Farley also announced next-generation Ford vehicles would come equipped with the NACS port, Tesla's standardized version of its proprietary charging system.

Elon Musk said, "We don't want Tesla superchargers to be a walled garden," on the Twitter Space call. According to Musk, Tesla wants Ford to have an equal footing when it comes to a charging network.

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This is ****ing huge, CCS Combo 1 is an embarrassment to engineering.

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https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/25/23737896/ford-tesla-ev-fast-charging-elon-musk-twitter-space

Interesting, Ford going with the Tesla plug standard....

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Ford CEO Jim Farley and Elon Musk just announced that in early 2024 all 12,000 Tesla Superchargers will be operational with Ford vehicles. Farley also announced next-generation Ford vehicles would come equipped with the NACS port, Tesla's standardized version of its proprietary charging system.

Elon Musk said, "We don't want Tesla superchargers to be a walled garden," on the Twitter Space call. According to Musk, Tesla wants Ford to have an equal footing when it comes to a charging network.

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Elon bringing the country into the EV world any way he can.

.@BillWeirCNN: "If we were to electrify [every U.S. car] by 2035 ... [it] would save over 80,000 lives, almost 90,000 lives. It would prevent 2.2 million asthma attacks by 2050 ... This also affects folks, communities of color disproportionately." pic.twitter.com/6YtKGq23AL

— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) June 7, 2023

CNN wants everyone to be forced to go EV by 2035.