Renting an EV is just dumb. If you can't charge at home, it will be a pain in the ass. If you can, it's more convenient than an ICE vehicle for the kind of driving most people do

Fitted to a crude four-wheeled wagon, Franois Isaac de Rivaz first drove it 100 meters in 1813, thus making history as the first car-like vehicle known to have been powered by an internal-combustion engine.

Gustav Trouv was born in 1839 so unless he invented his car before his parents met, his came decades after the first ICE.

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Who could imagine having a ****ty experience in a Hyundai?!

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There are a lot of really nice Kia/Hyundai's. Just FYI. These are commonly discussed in the auto forum.

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This one only had 38 miles on it when he picked it up. So brand new. Thanks but no thanks for a vehicle that uses 80% of its "fuel" capacity in 116 miles and the would take 2+ hrs to "refill".

Which charging station in DFW did he use?

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Which charging station in DFW did he use?

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It was at a Chevy dealership (Friendly Chevrolet) off 35 by Love. It was full of some kind of Google mapping cars.

Glad he decided to leave because I almost bought a new truck during the wait!

Edit: EV HQ

A level 2 charger at a dealership…

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A level 2 charger at a dealership…

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In an ICE vehicle we would have had around 30 choices in gas stations in the area and would have been done in 10 mins tops. EV's have a long way to go to be practical transportation IMO.

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A level 2 charger at a dealership…

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The whole reason EV's and their owners are worthy of the laughter they provide us is because these ****ty golf carts, er vehicles require you to make a choice about where to "fill up" based on how long until you drive again, among other factors like charger availability, etc.

You're proving our point, but the best part is you don't even realize it.

nm

I'm not an EV owner so…zero points for you

Who cares? If anything that makes you here defending them even worse. Another self own.

Pointing out poor planning ahead of time to avoid charging at a level 2 charger is defending EVs? I'm just helping people from making dumb mistakes in the future.

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Pointing out poor planning ahead of time to avoid charging at a level 2 charger is defending EVs? I'm just helping people from making dumb mistakes in the future.

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If you can't access the Tesla supercharger network or charge at home, an EV sucks because the rest of the charging infrastructure is poor. Almost all level 2 chargers and they are frequently not working. There is a reason the competition is switching charge ports so people will have access to the superchargers.

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tk for tu juan said:

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Pointing out poor planning ahead of time to avoid charging at a level 2 charger is defending EVs? I'm just helping people from making dumb mistakes in the future.

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If you can't access the Tesla supercharger network or charge at home, an EV sucks because the rest of the charging infrastructure is poor. Almost all level 2 chargers and they are frequently not working. There is a reason the competition is switching charge ports so people will have access to the superchargers.

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There's a reason these poor rental experience articles always have one thing in common…

a non Tesla EV

EV's are all horrible for humanity/the environment:

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'Rapid growth in global metal mining is crucial if the world is to make the transition to green energy,' noted Chris Thomas, a zoologist at the University of Lincoln whose specialty is in spatial ecology and threats to the global water supply.

Thomas led the analysis and modelling work for the new study, which was published today in Science.
Thomas and his colleagues have developed a new database, supported by on-the-ground testing, which now maps the hundreds of square miles' worth of rivers and floodplains contaminated by these industrial processes across the globe.

The devastation wrought by this contamination, they found, was widespread, affecting approximately 297,800 miles (479,200 km) of river systems total and over 63,000 square-miles (164,000 sq-km) of floodplains worldwide.

But, North America stood out as the most affected, at 123,280 miles of tainted river systems, and approximately 10.7 million acres of polluted floodplains.

But the damage was not much better in South America with 50,766 miles of rivers and over 9.5 million acres of floodplain impacted; nor in Asia with about 37,842 river-miles and about 8.3 million acres of floodplain polluted by metal mining waste.

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According to the MIT Environmental Solutions Initiative, green energy technologies like wind turbines and electric cars often do require many more mined minerals than the present fossil fuels infrastructure.

One electric car, for example, requires six times more metallic and mineral materials than a combustion engine car, MIT's university team reports.

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Dig baby dig

Some people surprise you as a closet tree hugger.

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Pointing out poor planning ahead of time to avoid charging at a level 2 charger is defending EVs? I'm just helping people from making dumb mistakes in the future.

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The funny part is the extra planning that owners and operators are required to do. Even if the vehicle does it for you, it still has to be considered and worked around- which is a regression from ICE and Gas/Diesel.

That's huge for me. My wife and I take at least one really long drive per year. (July was Boerne to Boston to DC and back). We never plan a route. Just take roads that look fun and drive them.

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Pointing out poor planning ahead of time to avoid charging at a level 2 charger is defending EVs? I'm just helping people from making dumb mistakes in the future.

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If you can't access the Tesla supercharger network or charge at home, an EV sucks because the rest of the charging infrastructure is poor. Almost all level 2 chargers and they are frequently not working. There is a reason the competition is switching charge ports so people will have access to the superchargers.

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FIFY.

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tk for tu juan said:

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Pointing out poor planning ahead of time to avoid charging at a level 2 charger is defending EVs? I'm just helping people from making dumb mistakes in the future.

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If you can't access the Tesla supercharger network or charge at home, an EV sucks because the rest of the charging infrastructure is poor. Almost all level 2 chargers and they are frequently not working. There is a reason the competition is switching charge ports so people will have access to the superchargers.

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FIFY.

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So why is customer satisfaction so high with Tesla's if they suck so much?

Also, I am still waiting for the count of EVs in the garage collapse in NYC that you blamed on them. I know there were so many that it is taking you a while to count them.

And let's not forget that a Tesla is America's most popular car. And it was heading in that direction before the recent tax credits.

People simply want these cars.

"One electric car, for example, requires six times more metallic and mineral materials"

That's true for older Teslas, the switch to 48v system will reduce that by a significant amount.

Tesla is an innovation animal unlike any other manufacturer.

I don't own one, don't plan on buying one anytime soon, but I'm buying there stock because they have secured their future in all things electrical.

This is why I have a Tesla. This never happens at Superchargers. 99% of the time, my Tesla charges in my garage, which is even safer 💯 pic.twitter.com/rtzT9RdC5d

— The Tesla Hoe (@TheTeslaHoe) September 22, 2023

You're just an idiotic troll.

Envy isn't a good look.

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You're just an idiotic troll.

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So how is that video a troll but not the one of the Tesla in the garage in Shanghai?

In Nortex fashion, I will post another article

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/three-dead-blast-car-service-russian-city-makhachkala-ria-2023-08-14/

My real concern is that my neighbor could wind up burning my house down, while out of town.

Hopefully this wasn't one of our regular posters, this week (I think we have a fan who lives in New Jersey):

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What To Know: A 2022 Tesla Model 3 erupted in flames on the side of the road in New Jersey on Sept. 13. A first responder on the scene provided photos and details of the event to Inside EVs.

The driver reportedly hit an object in the road which prompted warning signals on the dash, indicating that there was a critical problem. The person was able to pull over and exit the vehicle before things really heated up.

The battery pack began emitting heavy amounts of smoke before roaring flames engulfed the electric vehicle. First responders on the scene had trouble taming the blaze.

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Again, striking even minor debris/rocks kicking up can damage an EV battery and create a long term or short term dangerous problem. Glad this driver was able to get out and it happened on a highway instead of a living quarter.

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My real concern is that my neighbor could wind up burning my house down, while out of town.

Hopefully this wasn't one of our regular posters, this week (I think we have a fan who lives in New Jersey):

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What To Know: A 2022 Tesla Model 3 erupted in flames on the side of the road in New Jersey on Sept. 13. A first responder on the scene provided photos and details of the event to Inside EVs.

The driver reportedly hit an object in the road which prompted warning signals on the dash, indicating that there was a critical problem. The person was able to pull over and exit the vehicle before things really heated up.

The battery pack began emitting heavy amounts of smoke before roaring flames engulfed the electric vehicle. First responders on the scene had trouble taming the blaze.

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Again, striking even minor debris/rocks kicking up can damage an EV battery and create a long term or short term dangerous problem. Glad this driver was able to get out and it happened on a highway instead of a living quarter.

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Here is another house that burned down from a EV fire.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/trends/parked-hyundai-suv-catches-fire-burns-down-house-its-owner-is-now-homeless-10580161.html/amp

Don't forget the dangers in Philly where an EV burned down an entire span of an interstate bridge


Clearly the mainstream media twisted the stories and hid the EVs that really caused these events because gasoline and diesel are non flammable materials

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My real concern is that my neighbor could wind up burning my house down, while out of town.

Hopefully this wasn't one of our regular posters, this week (I think we have a fan who lives in New Jersey):

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What To Know: A 2022 Tesla Model 3 erupted in flames on the side of the road in New Jersey on Sept. 13. A first responder on the scene provided photos and details of the event to Inside EVs.

The driver reportedly hit an object in the road which prompted warning signals on the dash, indicating that there was a critical problem. The person was able to pull over and exit the vehicle before things really heated up.

The battery pack began emitting heavy amounts of smoke before roaring flames engulfed the electric vehicle. First responders on the scene had trouble taming the blaze.

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Again, striking even minor debris/rocks kicking up can damage an EV battery and create a long term or short term dangerous problem. Glad this driver was able to get out and it happened on a highway instead of a living quarter.

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Nope nope nope. Yet another reason to never buy an EV.

I still don't regret having an electric SUV and a gas truck. The right tool for the job to hedge against gas prices.
It doesn't have to be left or right. It is possible to ignore the politics and make a decision based on logic, while stealing back my tax burden by exploiting the leftist policies =)

I don't care about the environmental impact of batteries or the risk of fire. I have insurance for a reason.

With the significant less risk of fire in an EV (per NTSB data), they are also safer for families than ice vehicles.

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I still don't regret having an electric SUV and a gas truck. The right tool for the job to hedge against gas prices.
It doesn't have to be left or right. It is possible to ignore the politics and make a decision based on logic, while stealing back my tax burden by exploiting the leftist policies =)

I don't care about the environmental impact of batteries or the risk of fire. I have insurance for a reason.

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It's fine to admit this, but there is some poor analyses involved, imho.

Ignoring politics is fine (though I think ignoring helping the CCP is short sighted), but ignoring the impact on your fellow man is not conservative or liberal, it's harmful.

Insurance is fine too, but the impact of a harm can be compensated yet it will always still be a harm, including and not limited to a loss of life. Not all fires are 'equal' which is part of what is 'lost in translation' I think in comparisons.