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But but but… I was assured a little ol' Tesla weighed no more than an F-350.

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For example, EVs weigh a buttload, thanks to that battery, which can be anywhere from 1000-2000 (which is a ton) lbs. The average is about a grand of extra weight on the vehicle. As a set of regular tires will wear out 20% faster on an EV than an ICE, they have to have specially formulated tires to handle the load and torque.

The Brits are finding out that that extra weight raises hell with road surfaces.

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F-350 weight is between 5,600 to 7,800 pounds.

Tesla Y 4,400
Tesla X 5,100 to 5,300
Tesla S 4,500 to 4,700
Tesla 3 3,582

Toyota Camry
3,310 pounds

BMW 3 Series
3,582 pounds

Tesla Model 3
3,582 pounds

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As for the materials, we had to import oil and gas from outside North America until the Obama administration and we did just fine.

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That's a lie (par for the course) as it wasn't until Trump that we were a net exporter of energy.

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The United States became a net total energy exporter in 2019 for the first time since 1952 and maintained that position in 2020 and 2021. U.S. total energy exports exceeded total energy imports by about 3.82 quadrillion British thermal units (quads) in 2021, the largest margin on record

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I suppose we are going to see those numbers quoted endlessly.

Who said anything about the US.

You did all that googling when you could have just read my post.

When Manhattan says:

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we had to import oil and gas from outside North America until the Obama administration and we did just fine.

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they obviously, most definitely, are not talking about the US at all.

LOL, some EV lies banned from advertisements in the UK.

Only 37 of the 'fast' Hyundai/Kia chargers in all of the UK?

Good Lord. This will turn out well.

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A California company that's building a flying electric car is now taking preorders.

Alef Aeronautics' flying car has been given a special airworthiness certification from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), meaning the company will be allowed to road/air test the car, the company said in a news release.

The fully electric vehicle (with a hydrogen option for a higher price) is a low-speed vehicle that can be driven up to 200 miles on public roads and fits into a regular garage, but it can also launch vertically into the air with a flying range of 110 miles, according to Alef's website.

The company's "Model A" car "can fly forward above the obstacles until a desired destination is reached," the San Mateo-based company says. "The driver and the cabin are stabilized by a unique gimbaled rotating cabin design."

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Alef touts the car's ability to avoid traffic, fly in any direction while giving a "cinematic 180 plus degree view for safe and enjoyable flight."

Customers can preorder the vehicle, which can seat up to two people is expected to cost around $300,000.

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So when those are stolen, do police shoot them down? Or OnStar brings them down?



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I hope, against all of my better judgment, the company succeeds in producing these. I wonder if the French would be ok with muslims driving them?

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So when those are stolen, do police shoot them down? Or OnStar brings them down?

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Depends upon who stole it.

Tesla sold 466,000 vehicles last quarter. Another record quarter! Everybody celebrate!

https://news.yahoo.com/britain-risks-becoming-guinea-pig-050000500.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=ma&guccounter=1

GM wants to own your entire home charging process.

I could see this as a 'tool' that would help retain customers, theoretically.

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GM's Ultium Home products come in three bundles. The V2H Bundle includes a bidirectional charger and home charger that can let the structure go off-grid. The Home Energy System includes those two components and adds a PowerBank battery for backup. People without EVs can still buy the PowerBank and connectors to store power. The system also works with solar-powered homes, and GM has partnered with SunPower to create the connections. Owners can manage the power flow through the GM Energy Cloud app.

The number of GM Ultium EVs is about to grow quickly, as the Chevrolet Equinox EV and Blazer EV are set to join the lineup later this year. The Cadillac Escalade IQ is also expected soon, along with the Chevrolet Silverado EV and GMC Sierra EV. It's unclear if GM's home power solutions will work with other automakers' vehicles running on Ultium technology, but the company has paired up with Honda to build new electric SUVs for it and the Acura brand.

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Comments are interesting. Layering on a big home battery, and solar panels would appeal again to buyers who are bad at engineering/physics/math. Having grown up with certain Oldsmobile-era AC Delco electronics/parts, I am dubious about using a GM app some day to control all that stuff in a house.

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As for the materials, we had to import oil and gas from outside North America until the Obama administration and we did just fine.

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That's a lie (par for the course) as it wasn't until Trump that we were a net exporter of energy.

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Lies and Manhattan go hand and hand

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https://news.yahoo.com/britain-risks-becoming-guinea-pig-050000500.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=ma&guccounter=1

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Volkswagen is so concerned about flagging sales that it has taken the extraordinary decision of halting electric vehicle production at one of its biggest plants. Assembly lines for electric models will be paused for six weeks at the Emden factory in northwest Germany and 300 of its 1,500 staff laid off after sales fell 30pc short of forecasts.
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Stated above, the EV market is explained by the fact that virtually every one that wants an EV buys a Tesla. Tesla alone can service the market. All the others will suffer, and w/out governmental force, those vehicles wouldn't exist.

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https://news.yahoo.com/britain-risks-becoming-guinea-pig-050000500.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=ma&guccounter=1

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Volkswagen is so concerned about flagging sales that it has taken the extraordinary decision of halting electric vehicle production at one of its biggest plants. Assembly lines for electric models will be paused for six weeks at the Emden factory in northwest Germany and 300 of its 1,500 staff laid off after sales fell 30pc short of forecasts.
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You mean the same germans that have no sun, wind, or oil/gas, and decided to run their entire economy on sun, wind and oil/gas?

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GM wants to own your entire home charging process.

I could see this as a 'tool' that would help retain customers, theoretically.

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GM's Ultium Home products come in three bundles. The V2H Bundle includes a bidirectional charger and home charger that can let the structure go off-grid. The Home Energy System includes those two components and adds a PowerBank battery for backup. People without EVs can still buy the PowerBank and connectors to store power. The system also works with solar-powered homes, and GM has partnered with SunPower to create the connections. Owners can manage the power flow through the GM Energy Cloud app.

The number of GM Ultium EVs is about to grow quickly, as the Chevrolet Equinox EV and Blazer EV are set to join the lineup later this year. The Cadillac Escalade IQ is also expected soon, along with the Chevrolet Silverado EV and GMC Sierra EV. It's unclear if GM's home power solutions will work with other automakers' vehicles running on Ultium technology, but the company has paired up with Honda to build new electric SUVs for it and the Acura brand.

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Comments are interesting. Layering on a big home battery, and solar panels would appeal again to buyers who are bad at engineering/physics/math. Having grown up with certain Oldsmobile-era AC Delco electronics/parts, I am dubious about using a GM app some day to control all that stuff in a house.

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To be fair, gm was run by accountants before it was run by libtard government environmentalists. It hasn been run by engineers since…back when they made good cars. Thats also true of all other carcos though.

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But but but… I was assured a little ol' Tesla weighed no more than an F-350.

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For example, EVs weigh a buttload, thanks to that battery, which can be anywhere from 1000-2000 (which is a ton) lbs. The average is about a grand of extra weight on the vehicle. As a set of regular tires will wear out 20% faster on an EV than an ICE, they have to have specially formulated tires to handle the load and torque.

The Brits are finding out that that extra weight raises hell with road surfaces.

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F-350 weight is between 5,600 to 7,800 pounds.

Tesla Y 4,400
Tesla X 5,100 to 5,300
Tesla S 4,500 to 4,700
Tesla 3 3,582

Toyota Camry
3,310 pounds

BMW 3 Series
3,582 pounds

Tesla Model 3
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If anyone built a proper ice car it would weigh under 3000 and last for 30 years.

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https://news.yahoo.com/britain-risks-becoming-guinea-pig-050000500.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=ma&guccounter=1

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Volkswagen is so concerned about flagging sales that it has taken the extraordinary decision of halting electric vehicle production at one of its biggest plants. Assembly lines for electric models will be paused for six weeks at the Emden factory in northwest Germany and 300 of its 1,500 staff laid off after sales fell 30pc short of forecasts.
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I think VW is discovering they won't have the money needed to convert to an electric production line without continuing to sell ICE vehicles.

Ha.

Gonna be a lot of auto bankruptcies this decade. I've had 3 friends buy new cars in the last 3 months. All of them were considering other vehicles, one an Infiniti, one a Mercedes and one a Yukon and they all ultimately bought a Model Y. The guy that has had it the longest just said he's never going to consider any other vehicle than a Tesla he likes it so much. The other just did a cross country trip from Dallas to Phoenix to Los Angeles and his only complaint was the night driving increased his insurance premiums on Tesla insurance, the other is still on order and delivery is probably in ~2 weeks.

The rest of the auto industry (mostly) does not have the engineering prowess to design and build a quality electric vehicle from top to bottom and make it affordable enough to have people choose it over a Tesla. They're also so thoroughly intertwined with dealer networks and service centers that it's going to be very hard to actually push as many EVs as they'd need to in order to be profitable.

UK Govt: auto industry doesn't know how to repair EV's.

Feature, not a glitch, to the globalists pushing this insanity to be uniformly mandated on the west.

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Electric vehicle repair costs revealed versus ICE equivalent

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The research, published by Thatcham Research and funded by the Government's innovation agency, Innovate UK, highlights the technical and practical differences between battery electric vehicle (BEVs) and internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle insurance claims processes.
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Thatcham Research's data-driven modelling shows that in 2022, 9,400 vehicles were potentially involved in collisions resulting in battery inclusion in the repair. This is estimated to reach up to 260,000 vehicles annually by 2035.

Adrian Watson, head of engineering research, Thatcham Research, said: "Without meaningful change, there is a strong likelihood that claims costs will continue to rise disproportionally.

"Much of the motor insurance industry is yet to adapt to mass BEV adoption challenges, and the implications remain unquantified on repair capacity, training and skills, cost, and the lifetime sustainability of BEVs.

"This lack of awareness means many BEVs are often deemed irreparable, leading to premature write-offs because of high battery cost and the lack of value the UK ecosystem can recover from them."

Currently, the cost of a replacement HV battery is causing a significant increase in the risk of 'total loss' or write-offs.

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The Brit EV owners should've just sold two more teas...

Can you imagine the grease monkeys trying to repair a battery?

I'd never park the thing in my garage again.

BEV's to blame for increase in tire pollution.

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/07/27/evs-tire-emissions-atlantic-pollution/

And brake dust.

We knew the range was bad. Turns out Tesla lied, like VW's emissions software.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/tesla-exaggerated-ev-range-so-much-that-drivers-thought-cars-were-broken/amp/

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Tesla has consistently exaggerated the driving range of its electric vehicles, reportedly leading car owners to think something was broken when actual driving range was much lower than advertised. When these owners scheduled service appointments to fix the problem, Tesla canceled the appointments because there was no way to improve the actual distance Tesla cars could drive between charges, according to an investigation by Reuters.

In mid-2022, Tesla started routing range complaints to a "Diversion Team" that fielded up to 2,000 cases a week and "was expected to close about 750 cases a week," Reuters reported.

"Tesla years ago began exaggerating its vehicles' potential driving distanceby rigging their range-estimating software," the article published today said. "The company decided about a decade ago, for marketing purposes, to write algorithms for its range meter that would show drivers 'rosy' projections for the distance it could travel on a full battery, according to a person familiar with an early design of the software for its in-dash readouts."

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The argument put forward in a recent issue of The Atlantic magazine that electric vehicles exacerbate pollution from rubber tires is intriguing. It's also borderline fatuous and in some respects, misleading.

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These are genuinely concerning issues, but when Zipper goes on to indict EVs for making matters worse because they're heavy, he ignores that gas-powered cars and trucks diesel trucks used in construction, for example; gas SUVs with room for seven are heavy as well. In fact, many gas-powered SUVs and pickup trucks weigh as much or more than many EVs excepting outliers like the GMC Hummer EV and there are far more of them on today's roads than EVs.

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Tesla lied and their cars died!

Wait till there are fires. Firefighters will not be able to put the EV's out. So imagine a multi level car garage full of gas powered cars. The government calls them ICE. There was a case in England (I think)where a multilevel car parking full of ICE vehicles went up in flames and the structure with cars were condemned.

Now compare that same scenario with a car park full of EV's. That parking lot would go up in flames wayyyyyyy faster and burn much hotter than the ICE vehicles.

For one. The batteries would not be able to be extinguish. The prescribe method for extinguishing a EV fire is to dunk that flaming EV in a roll off box full of water and let it sit for 3 days.

Why 3 days? Glad you asked. A typical battery had 7,900 cells. The are all located in structural plastic that makes up the floor base of the vehicle. All that area is about 10 inch off the ground and will not stop burning till the cells are spent. There is enough o2 molecules in the lithium ion bond to sustain combustion.

There will be more fires. As folks use more FCDC there will be more fires. As the number of EV's are sold there will be more fires. And when a EV blows a 6 foot flame out the side, 10 inches of the deck there will be even more fires.

……just think of a 100 piece pack of black cats. Like one off and the others follow quickly. As a fire Marshall said……things will get spicy quick.

Imagine the law suits when a family burns up, or a house, or apartment burns to the ground because of a cheap aftermarket battery charging system.

…..the last thing to understand. There are very few codes and standards for battery design, production and use governing batteries for the next 30 years. That combo of lack of standards and codes on the front end of a aftermarket EV battery/battery charging market that is 30 years behind.

I am 57. I will never own an EV, but the US GOV is going to make you. Read EO 14057 and go to the International Energy Agency website and see for yourself. Read papers for NETZERO where there has been modeling that predicts the job losses in welders, fitters, steel material, petro refining, field techs, electrical components like drives and distribution gear, machinist, valves and instrumentation, I could keep going. The NETZERO crowd is motivated to kill off a whole industry all in a quest to concentrate power.

You will see these changes occur rapidly in your life time. EV's are coming and people we did not elect are driving the train of change.

For most of us by far the biggest EV issue is governmental actions. If the market decides, it's all good. If the government decides, it's all bad.

I've driven Teslas and C6s, the latter is much more enjoyable to drive IMO. Tesla is more practical and comfortable, I'll give you that. Different strokes for different folks. I'm just sick of the electric car guys that are hell bent on eliminating ICE performance cars because EVs are "faster". Some people prefer the more involved driving dynamics and NVH of ICE cars, especially those equipped with a manual. We can have both and anyone that wants to regulate either ICE or EV out of existence isn't truly a car guy. Let the market decide.

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I've driven Teslas and C6s, the latter is much more enjoyable to drive IMO. Tesla is more practical and comfortable, I'll give you that. Different strokes for different folks. I'm just sick of the electric car guys that are hell bent on eliminating ICE performance cars because EVs are "faster". Some people prefer the more involved driving dynamics and NVH of ICE cars, especially those equipped with a manual. We can have both and anyone that wants to regulate either ICE or EV out of existence isn't truly a car guy. Let the market decide.

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Not sure I've ever talked to a single electric car guy that was hell bent on eliminating ICE performance cars because EVs are faster. Not sure what guys you're talking too or where you finding them? I've never even heard that one before.......but yeah...I'd be sick of hearing that too if that was the case.