nortex97 said:
Yeah you'd think if Tesla's are bullet proof and impregnable to vandalism etc. the insurance costs would be the lowest on the market. But wait…
Initial design was to place cold gas thrusters to boost acceleration. It's not an every day drive 0-60 in <1.0s and they're going to be rarer than any Ferrari or Lamborghini. Retail price is probably going to be >$300,000 for that spec.techno-ag said:
New Roadster supposedly will go 0-60 in a second or less.
If true (and it's prolly just hype), these things will be a serious danger on the road.
https://www.motor1.com/news/710402/elon-musk-talks-new-tesla-roadster/amp/
BREAKING: The first pre-owned Tesla Cybertruck has sold at auction.
— Car Dealership Guy (@GuyDealership) February 28, 2024
The price? A whopping $244,000.
I wonder what the Buyer will price it at… 🤔
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I'm about as hard core of an anti-communist / anti-socialist, and therefore by default the opposite of a democrat, as you'll find. I'm against big government, as more government is never the answer. I'm libertarian-leaning in many respects. Taxation is theft. An uncompetitive regulatory and tax environment discourages investment and thus growth and opportunities here. As only the corrupt power hungry government is growing, socialism is creeping.nortex97 said:I didn't buy one…and never will. I do again look with some disdain at EV owners/drivers, and by default assume they are Biden/GCF/Obama voters, or apathetic/ignorant of the politics behind the machines they operate. Not all are, it's just a default position, again, though I realize conditional statements like that are difficult for some to process.Teslag said:Quote:
I still see the politics, human, and environmental impact of these vehicles as horrible, outside of the driving experience/cost/risk of mfg bankruptcy etc.
Virtue signaling with a vehicle purchase...
There are several reasons this thread has gone on so long on the politics forum, and it's not just the "EVangelists" passionate hatred for the disdain many conservatives have toward these things, and the growing market rejection of them.
Right on, right on! You'll fit in well here.oh no said:I'm about as hard core of an anti-communist / anti-socialist, and therefore by default the opposite of a democrat, as you'll find. I'm against big government, as more government is never the answer. I'm libertarian-leaning in many respects. Taxation is theft. An uncompetitive regulatory and tax environment discourages investment and thus growth and opportunities here. As only the corrupt power hungry government is growing, socialism is creeping.nortex97 said:I didn't buy one…and never will. I do again look with some disdain at EV owners/drivers, and by default assume they are Biden/GCF/Obama voters, or apathetic/ignorant of the politics behind the machines they operate. Not all are, it's just a default position, again, though I realize conditional statements like that are difficult for some to process.Teslag said:Quote:
I still see the politics, human, and environmental impact of these vehicles as horrible, outside of the driving experience/cost/risk of mfg bankruptcy etc.
Virtue signaling with a vehicle purchase...
There are several reasons this thread has gone on so long on the politics forum, and it's not just the "EVangelists" passionate hatred for the disdain many conservatives have toward these things, and the growing market rejection of them.
I'm against a federal energy policy that disincentivizes using our most valuable natural resources to keep our advantages and pushes us to depend on foreign sources. I grew up in the O&G industry and worked in it for most of my professional career and I know the world's dependence on diesel and hydrocarbons for everything -from farming and harvesting, to mining and extracting minerals and feedstocks, to transporting everything, to processing and manufacturing and packaging everything, to transporting it again. It isn't going away.
I'm sick of the woke mob, the lazy free-handout welfare state that disincentivizes people to earn and be productive, communist ideology removing god/religion and family from our society, and identity politics as a Marxist tactic for population division to make us easier to control. I'm highly skeptical of the deep state and the power of our unelected permanent government bureaucrats.
I'm not blind to the laundering / scamming circular references of big socialist government spending like the "green new deal".
I'm not ignorant to the fact that a large global % of known rare earth mineral reserves are owned by china or that many materials, parts, and supplies are currently dominated by china and dependent on the supply chain with china when it comes to wind and solar generation as well as lithium ion storage.
I'm very much against climate alarmism and the communist tactics being used to indoctrinate our youth because government regulation and government spending isn't going to change earth's climate until we're putting shields in orbit to block the sun which I'm also against as it will never be necessary for human survival.
I'm a constitutional originalist. My Rivian will transport at times and conceal all the time a right that shall not be infringed.
Lastly, I'm a capitalist. If I have money and want to spend it on an expensive golf cart that goes 0-60 in 3.0 seconds yet can also be put in rock crawl mode and drift mode and drive it to work every day for a while, I will do it.
We're opening our Supercharger network to NACS-committed automakers starting today.
— Tesla Charging (@TeslaCharging) February 29, 2024
See supported vehicles → https://t.co/wATK8FdJKF pic.twitter.com/1iq4wFQY3a
Tesla confirmed today that more EV makers will gain access to the Supercharger Network in the U.S. and Canada in Marchhttps://t.co/iu3RQ1z7YU by @KlenderJoey
— TESLARATI (@Teslarati) February 29, 2024
CATL developing and validating M3P batteries with Tesla: local reporthttps://t.co/UMOxBYPDuD by @ResidentSponge
— TESLARATI (@Teslarati) February 29, 2024
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The Toyota Prius Prime has beat out the latest EVs for the title of greenest car. Despite more EVs coming to market, none of the latest fully-electric vehicles in the U.S. managed to outdo the efficiency of the humble Prius plug-in, according to the Washing Post and recent findings in the 2024 GreenerCars report.
I'm glad you keep looking out for the planet. You are certainly a card carrying member of Greenpeace and they should be proud to have you.techno-ag said:
The Prius is STILL greener than any EV.
https://jalopnik.com/new-evs-still-can-t-beat-the-efficiency-of-a-plug-in-hy-1851294507Quote:
The Toyota Prius Prime has beat out the latest EVs for the title of greenest car. Despite more EVs coming to market, none of the latest fully-electric vehicles in the U.S. managed to outdo the efficiency of the humble Prius plug-in, according to the Washing Post and recent findings in the 2024 GreenerCars report.
This isn't actually a 'great thing' for EV's as it will just lead to the (1st) owners charging them as fast as possible more often, and then that will lead to much more rapid battery degradation. There's been an issue where for instance Tesla owners could mask a battery problem already when selling the vehicle.tk for tu juan said:
300 miles (10% to 80%) in 10 minutes, assuming they didn't fake the charging session
tk for tu juan said:
It is a Chinese built mini-van, you want long term durability? Ha
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In any event, Tesla was anointed a member of the new and exclusive Magnificent Seven Club during 2023. Rumor has it that the Tesla faithful may be fading some of their enthusiasm and thinking the stock may be ditched for up-and-coming Broadcom or the Mag Seven may be shrinking to the Sweet Six, or the Studly Six or some such thing.
https://www.investopedia.com/fisker-warning-tesla-price-incentives-in-china-latest-in-tough-stretch-for-many-ev-makers-8602173Quote:
Fisker said this week it's preparing for "another difficult year" and Tesla adjusted its pricing strategy in China to boost demand, in the latest of what's been a tough stretch for many electric vehicle makers.
Apple reportedly canceled its plans to make an EV earlier in the week.
The U.S. government opened an investigation into potential risks associated with connected vehicles made with Chinese tech and is considering new regulations.
The developments come after Rivian and Lucid reported results that missed estimates.
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This isn't actually a 'great thing' for EV's as it will just lead to the (1st) owners charging them as fast as possible more often,
I continue to question your reasoning capabilities.Teslag said:Quote:
This isn't actually a 'great thing' for EV's as it will just lead to the (1st) owners charging them as fast as possible more often,
Superchargers aren't used all that often for most owners so it's actually not an issue at all
nortex97 said:I continue to question your reasoning capabilities.Teslag said:Quote:
This isn't actually a 'great thing' for EV's as it will just lead to the (1st) owners charging them as fast as possible more often,
Superchargers aren't used all that often for most owners so it's actually not an issue at all
nortex97 said:I continue to question your reasoning capabilities.Teslag said:Quote:
This isn't actually a 'great thing' for EV's as it will just lead to the (1st) owners charging them as fast as possible more often,
Superchargers aren't used all that often for most owners so it's actually not an issue at all
This is again supportive of my point.Teslag said:nortex97 said:I continue to question your reasoning capabilities.Teslag said:Quote:
This isn't actually a 'great thing' for EV's as it will just lead to the (1st) owners charging them as fast as possible more often,
Superchargers aren't used all that often for most owners so it's actually not an issue at all
Because you don't understand what it's like to own one of these for the typical owner
Kansas Kid said:nortex97 said:I continue to question your reasoning capabilities.Teslag said:Quote:
This isn't actually a 'great thing' for EV's as it will just lead to the (1st) owners charging them as fast as possible more often,
Superchargers aren't used all that often for most owners so it's actually not an issue at all
If you do the research, you will see that supercharging has been shown not to effect battery life so it is a moot point. I will put it to you differently, in your eyes, how fast can you charge and not affect battery life?
https://www.batterytechonline.com/charging/report-supercharging-doesn-t-degrade-tesla-battery-life#