Still waiting for your explanation of the Florida bill.

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Still waiting for your explanation of the Florida bill.

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Its done, what's to discuss?

The initial bill was even more problematic than the one that was passed and triggered a lot of the initial outrage. I think it's another turd for republicans because of the optics and the vague language for even older students (no one was ever advocating sex talk for elementary school kids, though that seems allowed still if it's straight sex), but I'm sure when Desantis runs in 2024 you all will tell me he's GREAT for LGBT. Just like trump.

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Still waiting for your explanation of the Florida bill.

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Its done, what's to discuss?

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Your lies about the content of the bill

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So we ignore the fact the bill also outlaws discussion of straight sex in K-3 classrooms correct?

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Completely incorrect. A Republican legislator in Florida tried to get this changed to be inclusive of all sex and failed. Seems the goal was always to pander to evangelicals and not protect kids from grooming.

If you're right, post the text. Your "correct?" comment says you don't really know.

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You've been strawmanning this discussion the whole thread.

What specifically in the bill do you find discriminates, damages, hurts, etc homosexuals vs parents?

Let's hear it. Cite the language and the perceived consequence.

Not all laws are to stop something that is happening. Some are put in place to prevent stuff FROM happening.

What is behind this drive to sexualize children? This is really in the air lately isn't it.

Remember the 9 year old that was briefly in the news for "dancing" (stripping to undies) at a gay bar?

Demonic. Reminds me of something else -

Go look up Drag Queen Story Hour photos. Then, ask yourself: do they believe in the demonic? And if not, why are they made up in that way?

fka ftc said:

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You've been strawmanning this discussion the whole thread.

What specifically in the bill do you find discriminates, damages, hurts, etc homosexuals vs parents?

Let's hear it. Cite the language and the perceived consequence.

Not all laws are to stop something that is happening. Some are put in place to prevent stuff FROM happening.

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Not the subject of the thread. If youre thrilled about bill what do you care what I think?

I think it's a nonsense bill to pander to social conservatives about a non-issue, teachers talking sex with elementary school kids weren't going to be employed long. In the process of getting it passed Republicans reinforced all their negative stereotypes about their views on LGBT people, drew attention of major companies and large groups of people negatively, hurt young people figuring out what they are (Florida made it clear being gay is a problem), etc. Nobody won. The people enthusiastically pushing bill werent voting for democrats, ever.

I object to these entire threads where the mere existence of gay people is some kind of problem or that any sort of acknowledgment is grooming. Lazy and all over this thread, don't tell me I made it up.

Again, if you're good with this bill and use the somewhat extreme commentary in these videos as support that's good for you. People with negative viewpoints on gay people are a dying breed, literally.

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Still waiting for your explanation of the Florida bill.

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Its done, what's to discuss?

The initial bill was even more problematic than the one that was passed and triggered a lot of the initial outrage. I think it's another turd for republicans because of the optics and the vague language for even older students (no one was ever advocating sex talk for elementary school kids, though that seems allowed still if it's straight sex), but I'm sure when Desantis runs in 2024 you all will tell me he's GREAT for LGBT. Just like trump.

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Where did anyone say the existence of a gay person is a problem?

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Still waiting for your explanation of the Florida bill.

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Its done, what's to discuss?

The initial bill was even more problematic than the one that was passed and triggered a lot of the initial outrage. I think it's another turd for republicans because of the optics and the vague language for even older students (no one was ever advocating sex talk for elementary school kids, though that seems allowed still if it's straight sex), but I'm sure when Desantis runs in 2024 you all will tell me he's GREAT for LGBT. Just like trump.

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Its not. If no one was advocating for it, then this bill does nothing and your hysterics are wasted.


He is good for not grooming children. If you view that as anti-lgbt, that seems like your issue, not mine.

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Still waiting for your explanation of the Florida bill.

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Its done, what's to discuss?

The initial bill was even more problematic than the one that was passed and triggered a lot of the initial outrage. I think it's another turd for republicans because of the optics and the vague language for even older students (no one was ever advocating sex talk for elementary school kids, though that seems allowed still if it's straight sex), but I'm sure when Desantis runs in 2024 you all will tell me he's GREAT for LGBT. Just like trump.

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Nope, if a teacher was to discuss the mechanics of hetero intercourse to my 1st grader, they can expect an unpleasant reaction.

Keep clutching those pearls!

Those are executives and senior managers from Disney on a call discussing company policies and programming. As you agree they are extreme, people are taking it very seriously.

Being "negative" on homosexuality is a fundamental right not indifferent from you being "positive" on the matter. The issues arise when we discriminate or treat differently on this matter. Nobody has suggested that in this entire thread.

Mama and Papa bears tend to want to raise their cubs as they seem fit. I no more want a 3rd grade teach talking to my son on his sexuality and gender selection then same sex couples want their children to be mandated to "hetero is better" training in schools.

Once more, you fail to discuss the issues and resort to victimhood woe is me-isms.

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Where did anyone say the existence of a gay person is a problem?

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He thinks that people who dislike him since he supports predators dislike all gay people

I think he's a bit self involved

All I know is our enemies are cheering for America to continue going down this path. The private sector is steadily replacing competence with "diversity". The entertainment industry is destroying US morale with a woke revolution. The gov is bankrupting the country and destroying personal liberty.

China has to be shocked with their success. They released a pandemic on the world and the only backlash was between their victims fighting each other about masks and vaccines.

Disney really taking a really big hit just to be woke for a very very small percentage of the world. They deserve what they're gonna get.

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Pinochet said:

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Where did anyone say the existence of a gay person is a problem?

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He thinks that people who dislike him since he supports predators dislike all gay people

I think he's a bit self involved

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I was going to applaud his ability to keep politics where they belong - on an internet message board - but I still don't understand why all the threads he gets in on devolve into strawmen arguments and outright lies like this one. He brings politics to the message board and then does what amounts to trolling.

Why can't we just let kids be kids? Pushing any kind of sexual stuff on them IN SCHOOL is a huge freaking red flag. This militant gay agenda isn't good for anyone.

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Where did anyone say the existence of a gay person is a problem?

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He thinks that people who dislike him since he supports predators dislike all gay people

I think he's a bit self involved

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I was going to applaud his ability to keep politics where they belong - on an internet message board - but I still don't understand why all the threads he gets in on devolve into strawmen arguments and outright lies like this one. He brings politics to the message board and then does what amounts to trolling.

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What argument of mine do you take the most exception with?

The knee jerk reaction here is that if you don't agree with someone they're a troll? That's lazy as hell.

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You've been strawmanning this discussion the whole thread.

What specifically in the bill do you find discriminates, damages, hurts, etc homosexuals vs parents?

Let's hear it. Cite the language and the perceived consequence.

Not all laws are to stop something that is happening. Some are put in place to prevent stuff FROM happening.

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Like lynchings?

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fka ftc said:

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You've been strawmanning this discussion the whole thread.

What specifically in the bill do you find discriminates, damages, hurts, etc homosexuals vs parents?

Let's hear it. Cite the language and the perceived consequence.

Not all laws are to stop something that is happening. Some are put in place to prevent stuff FROM happening.

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Like lynchings?

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Go ahead and post the links of powerful orgs and media conglomerates fighting viciously to protect lynching. I'll wait here.

I'll list a couple. First, you seem to think young kids should be exposed to sexual things by teachers before an age where they even know what is happening or is about to change with their bodies. Let the innocent kids be kids.

Second, you have grossly mischaracterized the Florida law. Florida didn't make gay a bad thing. They made sexual discussions of any type in the classroom for third graders a bad thing. A first or second grader isn't "figuring out what they are" in a sexual sense. Straight kids don't like the opposite sex at that age. It doesn't make them gay or questioning or anything but kids.

Let kids be kids. If your argument is that kids should have some adult who is not their parent explaining how their privates work years before puberty, you should answer what good is that. If you agree that it's wrong, why aren't you standing up to protect the innocent?

This discussion is not about being gay; it's about protecting kids from grooming or other sexualization at a young age (gay or straight or whatever all the other options are now). I have news for you - people care way less than you think. I had a guy come out to me at work. Guy had 3 kids and a wife. He was amazed that I told him that while I was sure it was a hard thing to do and a tough conclusion to come to but that it didn't change our working/professional relationship. I wasn't planning to kick him off my jobs or refuse to work with him. Turns out everyone he talked to at my firm - conservative and liberal alike - didn't give two ****s about what kind of porn he watched. They wanted him to be able to continue to do good work and stay with the firm.

Disney doubling down on lies. Pure lies.

How about you stand up for the rights and safety of your most vulnerable demographic and vet your employees better first and foremost? Seems to be a reoccurring problem with your company… pic.twitter.com/wlbkmmKM3J

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I'll list a couple. First, you seem to think young kids should be exposed to sexual things by teachers before an age where they even know what is happening or is about to change with their bodies. Let the innocent kids be kids.

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Never said anything like that. Find a post where I said that.

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Second, you have grossly mischaracterized the Florida law. Florida didn't make gay a bad thing. They made sexual discussions of any type in the classroom for third graders a bad thing. A first or second grader isn't "figuring out what they are" in a sexual sense. Straight kids don't like the opposite sex at that age. It doesn't make them gay or questioning or anything but kids.

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Initial draft of bill reflecting Republican party's intentions were far more problematic (more restrictive language even for older grades, admins were to "out" kids to parents, etc). YOU go do some research. If you've always been the default probably can't appreciate it, but when adults in your life (parents, clergy, state leaders) are making what you are political and a bad thing it can have an impact with devastating results. You post below you have a gay coworker - congrats I have gay friends who didn't make it because they couldn't be accepted by their family.

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Let kids be kids. If your argument is that kids should have some adult who is not their parent explaining how their privates work years before puberty, you should answer what good is that. If you agree that it's wrong, why aren't you standing up to protect the innocent?

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Again, NEVER said anything like that.

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This discussion is not about being gay; it's about protecting kids from grooming or other sexualization at a young age (gay or straight or whatever all the other options are now).

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So a third time you're posting I am for sexualizing kids with ZERO basis. That's what I am talking about.

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I have news for you - people care way less than you think.

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The hundreds of threads here every year say otherwise.

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I had a guy come out to me at work. Guy had 3 kids and a wife. He was amazed that I told him that while I was sure it was a hard thing to do and a tough conclusion to come to but that it didn't change our working/professional relationship. I wasn't planning to kick him off my jobs or refuse to work with him. Turns out everyone he talked to at my firm - conservative and liberal alike - didn't give two ****s about what kind of porn he watched. They wanted him to be able to continue to do good work and stay with the firm.

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Congrats on having a gay friend. Most people are fairly polite in real life (ie the language here by these hardcore conservatives isn't something they're saying out loud) and negative language in workplace isn't common either since it's career limiting. That being said, you accused me with no basis SEVERAL times in this post of being for sexualizing kids when I've never said ANYTHING of the sort. Again, in this thread I said what's the harm in their being a gay character in a tv/movie. We do exist and you changed my posts to something far more sinister.

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(no one was ever advocating sex talk for elementary school kids, though that seems allowed still if it's straight sex)

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Bull**** and bull*****

That's a lot of words to say you don't know what's in the bill and have been lying about it

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fka ftc said:

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You've been strawmanning this discussion the whole thread.

What specifically in the bill do you find discriminates, damages, hurts, etc homosexuals vs parents?

Let's hear it. Cite the language and the perceived consequence.

Not all laws are to stop something that is happening. Some are put in place to prevent stuff FROM happening.

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Not the subject of the thread. If youre thrilled about bill what do you care what I think?

I think it's a nonsense bill to pander to social conservatives about a non-issue, teachers talking sex with elementary school kids weren't going to be employed long. In the process of getting it passed Republicans reinforced all their negative stereotypes about their views on LGBT people, drew attention of major companies and large groups of people negatively, hurt young people figuring out what they are (Florida made it clear being gay is a problem), etc. Nobody won. The people enthusiastically pushing bill werent voting for democrats, ever.

I object to these entire threads where the mere existence of gay people is some kind of problem or that any sort of acknowledgment is grooming. Lazy and all over this thread, don't tell me I made it up.

Again, if you're good with this bill and use the somewhat extreme commentary in these videos as support that's good for you. People with negative viewpoints on gay people are a dying breed, literally.

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Everyone keeps focusing on the K-3 part, which led to the "Don't Say Gay" moniker. That's not the real meat of the bill, and wasn't the driving force behind it.

Not long ago, a guidance counselor here in Florida (I can't remember exactly where) was discovered to have encouraged a student to keep their discussions about the student's mental anguish over their struggle with transgender identity a secret from their parents. The parents were not notified that their child was experiencing any kind of struggles until after the kid's SECOND suicide attempt at school. This bill initially came up as a response to that situation.

And we've seen in other areas of the country that yes, there have been movements to introduce children in the K-3 level to discussions about sexual orientation various gender identities. Why in the hell else would these Drag Queen Storytime sessions exist?

Buford T. Justice said:

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Everything that you see today started in the early to mid 90's.

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With the election of Bill Clinton and the beginning of politics of personal destruction.

ABattJudd said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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fka ftc said:

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You've been strawmanning this discussion the whole thread.

What specifically in the bill do you find discriminates, damages, hurts, etc homosexuals vs parents?

Let's hear it. Cite the language and the perceived consequence.

Not all laws are to stop something that is happening. Some are put in place to prevent stuff FROM happening.

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Not the subject of the thread. If youre thrilled about bill what do you care what I think?

I think it's a nonsense bill to pander to social conservatives about a non-issue, teachers talking sex with elementary school kids weren't going to be employed long. In the process of getting it passed Republicans reinforced all their negative stereotypes about their views on LGBT people, drew attention of major companies and large groups of people negatively, hurt young people figuring out what they are (Florida made it clear being gay is a problem), etc. Nobody won. The people enthusiastically pushing bill werent voting for democrats, ever.

I object to these entire threads where the mere existence of gay people is some kind of problem or that any sort of acknowledgment is grooming. Lazy and all over this thread, don't tell me I made it up.

Again, if you're good with this bill and use the somewhat extreme commentary in these videos as support that's good for you. People with negative viewpoints on gay people are a dying breed, literally.

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Everyone keeps focusing on the K-3 part, which led to the "Don't Say Gay" moniker. That's not the real meat of the bill, and wasn't the driving force behind it.

Not long ago, a guidance counselor here in Florida (I can't remember exactly where) was discovered to have encouraged a student to keep their discussions about the student's mental anguish over their struggle with transgender identity a secret from their parents. The parents were not notified that their child was experiencing any kind of struggles until after the kid's SECOND suicide attempt at school. This bill initially came up as a response to that situation.

And we've seen in other areas of the country that yes, there have been movements to introduce children in the K-3 level to discussions about sexual orientation various gender identities. Why in the hell else would these Drag Queen Storytime sessions exist?

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My cousin did not come out to the family as gay until adulthood. I was actually pretty surprised when he mentioned it because I had no idea and if anybody else in the family knew, they never said anything. I found out directly from him at a family Christmas get together. Nobody in the family has ever once talked about it in the proceeding 10-15 years (at least not to me). It still feels very taboo. He moved halfway across the country with no degree or job prospects to be a hair dresser - presumably to get away from here because he certainly wasn't going toward anything as far as I can see.

I highlight this to say that kids aren't always ready to tell their families and families aren't always ready to hear it. While living with that inside for so long must have been difficult for him, I expect he would have been ostracized within the family during his formative years if anybody else had known.

Sometimes, telling parents will be a bad thing, In some cases, a kid may attempt suicide BECAUSE their parents were notified and wouldn't accept it. How would some of the parents in this thread react if they found out their kid was gay? Some people on this board claim all gays are pedos or groomers. What if those find out that their own kid is gay? Are they going to try conversion therapy? Are they going to disown them? Are they going to try to ignore it? Are they going to beat it out of them? Are they going to try and fail to accept it because they can't get over it?

So why not leave that up to the individual circumstances to dictate the situation rather than forcing it with a law? I'm not sure how best to translate this into a law, but maybe we don't need a law for it. After all, Republicans are about small government, right?

alans17 said:

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ABattJudd said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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fka ftc said:

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You've been strawmanning this discussion the whole thread.

What specifically in the bill do you find discriminates, damages, hurts, etc homosexuals vs parents?

Let's hear it. Cite the language and the perceived consequence.

Not all laws are to stop something that is happening. Some are put in place to prevent stuff FROM happening.

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Not the subject of the thread. If youre thrilled about bill what do you care what I think?

I think it's a nonsense bill to pander to social conservatives about a non-issue, teachers talking sex with elementary school kids weren't going to be employed long. In the process of getting it passed Republicans reinforced all their negative stereotypes about their views on LGBT people, drew attention of major companies and large groups of people negatively, hurt young people figuring out what they are (Florida made it clear being gay is a problem), etc. Nobody won. The people enthusiastically pushing bill werent voting for democrats, ever.

I object to these entire threads where the mere existence of gay people is some kind of problem or that any sort of acknowledgment is grooming. Lazy and all over this thread, don't tell me I made it up.

Again, if you're good with this bill and use the somewhat extreme commentary in these videos as support that's good for you. People with negative viewpoints on gay people are a dying breed, literally.

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Everyone keeps focusing on the K-3 part, which led to the "Don't Say Gay" moniker. That's not the real meat of the bill, and wasn't the driving force behind it.

Not long ago, a guidance counselor here in Florida (I can't remember exactly where) was discovered to have encouraged a student to keep their discussions about the student's mental anguish over their struggle with transgender identity a secret from their parents. The parents were not notified that their child was experiencing any kind of struggles until after the kid's SECOND suicide attempt at school. This bill initially came up as a response to that situation.

And we've seen in other areas of the country that yes, there have been movements to introduce children in the K-3 level to discussions about sexual orientation various gender identities. Why in the hell else would these Drag Queen Storytime sessions exist?

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My cousin did not come out to the family as gay until adulthood. I was actually pretty surprised when he mentioned it because I had no idea and if anybody else in the family knew, they never said anything. I found out directly from him at a family Christmas get together. Nobody in the family has ever once talked about it in the proceeding 10-15 years (at least not to me). It still feels very taboo. He moved halfway across the country with no degree or job prospects to be a hair dresser - presumably to get away from here because he certainly wasn't going toward anything as far as I can see.

I highlight this to say that kids aren't always ready to tell their families and families aren't always ready to hear it. While living with that inside for so long must have been difficult for him, I expect he would have been ostracized within the family during his formative years if anybody else had known.

Sometimes, telling parents will be a bad thing, In some cases, a kid may attempt suicide BECAUSE their parents were notified and wouldn't accept it. How would some of the parents in this thread react if they found out their kid was gay? Some people on this board claim all gays are pedos or groomers. What if those find out that their own kid is gay? Are they going to try conversion therapy? Are they going to disown them? Are they going to try to ignore it? Are they going to beat it out of them? Are they going to try and fail to accept it because they can't get over it?

So why not leave that up to the individual circumstances to dictate the situation rather than forcing it with a law? I'm not sure how best to translate this into a law, but maybe we don't need a law for it. After all, Republicans are about small government, right?

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People that think the way you do is exactly why a law is required

The last thing this country needs is low iq lib teachers bypassing parents & making life altering decisions for children

Good Lord what a terrible take

My Name Is Judge said:

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alans17 said:

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ABattJudd said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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fka ftc said:

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You've been strawmanning this discussion the whole thread.

What specifically in the bill do you find discriminates, damages, hurts, etc homosexuals vs parents?

Let's hear it. Cite the language and the perceived consequence.

Not all laws are to stop something that is happening. Some are put in place to prevent stuff FROM happening.

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Not the subject of the thread. If youre thrilled about bill what do you care what I think?

I think it's a nonsense bill to pander to social conservatives about a non-issue, teachers talking sex with elementary school kids weren't going to be employed long. In the process of getting it passed Republicans reinforced all their negative stereotypes about their views on LGBT people, drew attention of major companies and large groups of people negatively, hurt young people figuring out what they are (Florida made it clear being gay is a problem), etc. Nobody won. The people enthusiastically pushing bill werent voting for democrats, ever.

I object to these entire threads where the mere existence of gay people is some kind of problem or that any sort of acknowledgment is grooming. Lazy and all over this thread, don't tell me I made it up.

Again, if you're good with this bill and use the somewhat extreme commentary in these videos as support that's good for you. People with negative viewpoints on gay people are a dying breed, literally.

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Everyone keeps focusing on the K-3 part, which led to the "Don't Say Gay" moniker. That's not the real meat of the bill, and wasn't the driving force behind it.

Not long ago, a guidance counselor here in Florida (I can't remember exactly where) was discovered to have encouraged a student to keep their discussions about the student's mental anguish over their struggle with transgender identity a secret from their parents. The parents were not notified that their child was experiencing any kind of struggles until after the kid's SECOND suicide attempt at school. This bill initially came up as a response to that situation.

And we've seen in other areas of the country that yes, there have been movements to introduce children in the K-3 level to discussions about sexual orientation various gender identities. Why in the hell else would these Drag Queen Storytime sessions exist?

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My cousin did not come out to the family as gay until adulthood. I was actually pretty surprised when he mentioned it because I had no idea and if anybody else in the family knew, they never said anything. I found out directly from him at a family Christmas get together. Nobody in the family has ever once talked about it in the proceeding 10-15 years (at least not to me). It still feels very taboo. He moved halfway across the country with no degree or job prospects to be a hair dresser - presumably to get away from here because he certainly wasn't going toward anything as far as I can see.

I highlight this to say that kids aren't always ready to tell their families and families aren't always ready to hear it. While living with that inside for so long must have been difficult for him, I expect he would have been ostracized within the family during his formative years if anybody else had known.

Sometimes, telling parents will be a bad thing, In some cases, a kid may attempt suicide BECAUSE their parents were notified and wouldn't accept it. How would some of the parents in this thread react if they found out their kid was gay? Some people on this board claim all gays are pedos or groomers. What if those find out that their own kid is gay? Are they going to try conversion therapy? Are they going to disown them? Are they going to try to ignore it? Are they going to beat it out of them? Are they going to try and fail to accept it because they can't get over it?

So why not leave that up to the individual circumstances to dictate the situation rather than forcing it with a law? I'm not sure how best to translate this into a law, but maybe we don't need a law for it. After all, Republicans are about small government, right?

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People that think the way you do is exactly why a law is required

The last thing this country needs is low iq lib teachers bypassing parents & making life altering decisions for children

Good Lord what a terrible take

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How would you react to learning your kid is gay? Would it be like learning their hair is brown or that they like sports? Or would it be a problem to be managed or dealt with?

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So why not leave that up to the individual circumstances to dictate the situation rather than forcing it with a law? I'm not sure how best to translate this into a law, but maybe we don't need a law for it. After all, Republicans are about small government, right?

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You know the answer already: because activist progressives aren't reasonable. They will foment controversey and manufacture situations to further their viewpoints and goals. Both sides are waging lawfare and by the way the conservative side is late to the game even if it is not generally acknowledged. The progs have been doing this far longer.

So it turns out the neurotic, unhinged Mickey Mouse in SouthPark is the most accurate depiction of Disney today.

— Jordan Schachtel @ dossier.substack.com (@JordanSchachtel) March 31, 2022

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ABattJudd said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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fka ftc said:

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You've been strawmanning this discussion the whole thread.

What specifically in the bill do you find discriminates, damages, hurts, etc homosexuals vs parents?

Let's hear it. Cite the language and the perceived consequence.

Not all laws are to stop something that is happening. Some are put in place to prevent stuff FROM happening.

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Not the subject of the thread. If youre thrilled about bill what do you care what I think?

I think it's a nonsense bill to pander to social conservatives about a non-issue, teachers talking sex with elementary school kids weren't going to be employed long. In the process of getting it passed Republicans reinforced all their negative stereotypes about their views on LGBT people, drew attention of major companies and large groups of people negatively, hurt young people figuring out what they are (Florida made it clear being gay is a problem), etc. Nobody won. The people enthusiastically pushing bill werent voting for democrats, ever.

I object to these entire threads where the mere existence of gay people is some kind of problem or that any sort of acknowledgment is grooming. Lazy and all over this thread, don't tell me I made it up.

Again, if you're good with this bill and use the somewhat extreme commentary in these videos as support that's good for you. People with negative viewpoints on gay people are a dying breed, literally.

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Everyone keeps focusing on the K-3 part, which led to the "Don't Say Gay" moniker. That's not the real meat of the bill, and wasn't the driving force behind it.

Not long ago, a guidance counselor here in Florida (I can't remember exactly where) was discovered to have encouraged a student to keep their discussions about the student's mental anguish over their struggle with transgender identity a secret from their parents. The parents were not notified that their child was experiencing any kind of struggles until after the kid's SECOND suicide attempt at school. This bill initially came up as a response to that situation.

And we've seen in other areas of the country that yes, there have been movements to introduce children in the K-3 level to discussions about sexual orientation various gender identities. Why in the hell else would these Drag Queen Storytime sessions exist?

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My cousin did not come out to the family as gay until his 20's. I was actually pretty surprised when he mentioned it because I had no idea. Nobody in the family has ever once talked about it in the proceeding15- 20 years (at least to me). It still feels very taboo. He moved halfway across the country with no degree or job prospects to be a hair dresser - presumably to get away from here because he certainly wasn't going toward anything as far as I can see.

I highlight this to say that kids aren't always ready to tell their families and families aren't always ready to hear it. While living with that inside for so long must have been difficult for him, I expect he would have been ostracized within the family during his formative years if anybody else had known.

Sometimes, telling parents will be a bad thing, In some cases, a kid may attempt suicide BECAUSE their parents were notified and wouldn't accept it. How would some of the parents in this thread react if they found out their kid was gay? Some people on this board claim all gays are pedos or groomers. What if those find out that their own kid is gay? Are they going to try conversion therapy? Are they going to disown them? Are they going to try to ignore it? Are they going to beat it out of them? Are they going to try and fail to accept it because they can't get over it?

So why not leave that up to the individual circumstances to dictate the situation rather than forcing it with a law? I'm not sure how best to translate this into a law, but maybe we don't need a law for it. After all, Republicans are about small government, right?

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The law states that districts must create policies to notify parents when a student's usage of school mental or physical health changes. Districts don't necessarily have to tell what was discussed and certainly aren't required to "out" kids.

There's also an exception for when school officials believe that such notification could lead to harm or neglect.

As a parent, if I were to find out that my daughter had attempted suicide TWICE on campus before I was informed, I'd probably end up in jail.

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So why not leave that up to the individual circumstances to dictate the situation rather than forcing it with a law? I'm not sure how best to translate this into a law, but maybe we don't need a law for it. After all, Republicans are about small government, right?

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You know the answer already: because activist progressives aren't reasonable. They will foment controversey and manufacture situations to further their viewpoints and goals. Both sides are waging lawfare and by the way the conservative side is late to the game even if it is not generally acknowledged. The progs have been doing this far longer.

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Should we also ban CPS? They might have "activist progressives" in them.

I'm not saying there are never times where a parent should be told. But there are assuredly times where a kid's emotional or physical well-being will be negatively impacted by this law. The question is whether more people will be helped or harmed by making it a mandate. I actually think a conversation working towards a solution is healthy. I just don't think this blanket approach solves the root problem without creating additional harm.

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You've been strawmanning this discussion the whole thread.

What specifically in the bill do you find discriminates, damages, hurts, etc homosexuals vs parents?

Let's hear it. Cite the language and the perceived consequence.

Not all laws are to stop something that is happening. Some are put in place to prevent stuff FROM happening.

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Not the subject of the thread. If youre thrilled about bill what do you care what I think?

I think it's a nonsense bill to pander to social conservatives about a non-issue, teachers talking sex with elementary school kids weren't going to be employed long. In the process of getting it passed Republicans reinforced all their negative stereotypes about their views on LGBT people, drew attention of major companies and large groups of people negatively, hurt young people figuring out what they are (Florida made it clear being gay is a problem), etc. Nobody won. The people enthusiastically pushing bill werent voting for democrats, ever.

I object to these entire threads where the mere existence of gay people is some kind of problem or that any sort of acknowledgment is grooming. Lazy and all over this thread, don't tell me I made it up.

Again, if you're good with this bill and use the somewhat extreme commentary in these videos as support that's good for you. People with negative viewpoints on gay people are a dying breed, literally.

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Everyone keeps focusing on the K-3 part, which led to the "Don't Say Gay" moniker. That's not the real meat of the bill, and wasn't the driving force behind it.

Not long ago, a guidance counselor here in Florida (I can't remember exactly where) was discovered to have encouraged a student to keep their discussions about the student's mental anguish over their struggle with transgender identity a secret from their parents. The parents were not notified that their child was experiencing any kind of struggles until after the kid's SECOND suicide attempt at school. This bill initially came up as a response to that situation.

And we've seen in other areas of the country that yes, there have been movements to introduce children in the K-3 level to discussions about sexual orientation various gender identities. Why in the hell else would these Drag Queen Storytime sessions exist?

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My cousin did not come out to the family as gay until his 20's. I was actually pretty surprised when he mentioned it because I had no idea. Nobody in the family has ever once talked about it in the proceeding15- 20 years (at least to me). It still feels very taboo. He moved halfway across the country with no degree or job prospects to be a hair dresser - presumably to get away from here because he certainly wasn't going toward anything as far as I can see.

I highlight this to say that kids aren't always ready to tell their families and families aren't always ready to hear it. While living with that inside for so long must have been difficult for him, I expect he would have been ostracized within the family during his formative years if anybody else had known.

Sometimes, telling parents will be a bad thing, In some cases, a kid may attempt suicide BECAUSE their parents were notified and wouldn't accept it. How would some of the parents in this thread react if they found out their kid was gay? Some people on this board claim all gays are pedos or groomers. What if those find out that their own kid is gay? Are they going to try conversion therapy? Are they going to disown them? Are they going to try to ignore it? Are they going to beat it out of them? Are they going to try and fail to accept it because they can't get over it?

So why not leave that up to the individual circumstances to dictate the situation rather than forcing it with a law? I'm not sure how best to translate this into a law, but maybe we don't need a law for it. After all, Republicans are about small government, right?

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The law states that districts must create policies to notify parents when a student's usage of school mental or physical health changes. Districts don't necessarily have to tell what was discussed and certainly aren't required to "out" kids.

There's also an exception for when school officials believe that such notification could lead to harm or neglect.

As a parent, if I were to find out that my daughter had attempted suicide TWICE on campus before I was informed, I'd probably end up in jail.

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This all seems reasonable. If this is really what that portion of the law says and that's all it says, then I have no obvious objection to it.