No Spin Ag said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Bernie honeymooned in Russia, back when the leaders were even worse than Putin

The only reason he is anti Putin is the false narrative that Trump is pro Putin

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I get that, but if he and AOC didn't exist, it still doesn't take away from every other American, left and right, supporting the Ukes.

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On a gut level, I support Ukraine. Every country should be in control of their own borders, unlike what the Democrats do to the USA.

If it doesn't make you suspicious that suddenly the AOCs, Bernies, Soroses, etc of this world are doing a 180 and magically in support of strong borders, nationalism, armed citizens, anti-communism, anti-Russia...

...then you are naive or just not paying attention.

CanyonAg77 said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Bernie honeymooned in Russia, back when the leaders were even worse than Putin

The only reason he is anti Putin is the false narrative that Trump is pro Putin

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I get that, but if he and AOC didn't exist, it still doesn't take away from every other American, left and right, supporting the Ukes.

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On a gut level, I support Ukraine. Every country should be in control of their own borders, unlike what the Democrats do to the USA.

If it doesn't make you suspicious that suddenly the AOCs, Bernies, Soroses, etc of this world are doing a 180 and magically in support of strong borders, nationalism, armed citizens, anti-communism, anti-Russia...

...then you are naive or just not paying attention.

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mostly they are behind Uke because now they can blame everything on Putin; watch the rest of year leading up to midterms, it'll be all Putin's fault for everything, it might work if this keeps going.

So support for Uke masks the terrible policies they have enacted

CanyonAg77 said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Bernie honeymooned in Russia, back when the leaders were even worse than Putin

The only reason he is anti Putin is the false narrative that Trump is pro Putin

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I get that, but if he and AOC didn't exist, it still doesn't take away from every other American, left and right, supporting the Ukes.

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On a gut level, I support Ukraine. Every country should be in control of their own borders, unlike what the Democrats do to the USA.

If it doesn't make you suspicious that suddenly the AOCs, Bernies, Soroses, etc of this world are doing a 180 and magically in support of strong borders, nationalism, armed citizens, anti-communism, anti-Russia...

...then you are naive or just not paying attention.

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All that is spot on, except that they're not supporting anti-communism. Russia is not communist. Moscow looks like Dallas now. One whole side of Red Square is the Gum department store. The irony of that was so strong to me when I was there that it was really emotional. Having this massive high class department store, a beacon of capitalism, right on what was the center of communism for the 20th century was really moving.

Ukraine Love = Trump hate

You can slap your blue and yellow flag on your Twitter profile or FB page all you want, I'm just a dumb hick who thinks much of this is Trump related hate.

In the minds of libs, orangeman = Russia/Putin, and we all know orangemanbad.

So if orangemanbad, then Urkraine = good.

And we all know the ties corrupt Ukraine has with the corrupt Biden family (and dozens of other corrupt politicians), which only adds to the Ukraine love.


https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/26/politics/trump-putin-ukraine/index.html

CanyonAg77 said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Bernie honeymooned in Russia, back when the leaders were even worse than Putin

The only reason he is anti Putin is the false narrative that Trump is pro Putin

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I get that, but if he and AOC didn't exist, it still doesn't take away from every other American, left and right, supporting the Ukes.

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On a gut level, I support Ukraine. Every country should be in control of their own borders, unlike what the Democrats do to the USA.

If it doesn't make you suspicious that suddenly the AOCs, Bernies, Soroses, etc of this world are doing a 180 and magically in support of strong borders, nationalism, armed citizens, anti-communism, anti-Russia...

...then you are naive or just not paying attention.

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I think for them, and most people, it's just being boiled down to one country invading another that is friendly with us and it could spill into allied countries, so we should help them.

If the Bernie and AOCs have actually said in the past month that they support nationalism, strong borders, armed citizens in peace times, etc., then I missed that.

I get that we're all used to bringing politics into every aspect of life, but this one is different. Probably why there's equal support for the Ukes on both sides.

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If the Bernie and AOCs have actually said in the past month that they support nationalism, strong borders, armed citizens in peace times, etc., then I missed that.

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Go by what they do, not what they say, If they support Ukraine, they support the above.

Just like when they try to "tax the rich", they are supporting communism.

It's quite simple.

Well, I was about to upload a couple pics from my trip to show some things but I can't seem to figure out how. Or maybe I don't have the proper access level. Oh well..

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If the Bernie and AOCs have actually said in the past month that they support nationalism, strong borders, armed citizens in peace times, etc., then I missed that.

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Go by what they do, not what they say, If they support Ukraine, they support the above.

Just like when they try to "tax the rich", they are supporting communism.

It's quite simple.

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They're supporting a politician ideology, though. Wouldn't that be like saying every Christian is at fault for what other Christians do when they do evil?

Also, I seriously doubt Bernie and AOC are giddy at what Putin is doing to the Ukes.

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Ukraine Love = Trump hate

You can slap your blue and yellow flag on your Twitter profile or FB page all you want, I'm just a dumb hick who thinks much of this is Trump related hate.

In the minds of libs, orangeman = Russia/Putin, and we all know orangemanbad.

So if orangemanbad, then Urkraine = good.

And we all know the ties corrupt Ukraine has with the corrupt Biden family (and dozens of other corrupt politicians), which only adds to the Ukraine love.


https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/26/politics/trump-putin-ukraine/index.html

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No it's not. That's ridiculous. I support Ukraine trying to keep their country soverign and free. I supported Trump.

We must learn to look at each issue separately...not just be against whatever lots of people are for. That's checking your brain at the door.

I'm sure Ukraine has some real aholes in their military. I'm sure that they have some aholes that want Ukraine to become Russia. And I'm sure the Russians have some undercover operators enflaming all of these aholes to cause division. Just like they do with us.

What a difference time makes...



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El Chupacabra said:

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Ukraine Love = Trump hate

You can slap your blue and yellow flag on your Twitter profile or FB page all you want, I'm just a dumb hick who thinks much of this is Trump related hate.

In the minds of libs, orangeman = Russia/Putin, and we all know orangemanbad.

So if orangemanbad, then Urkraine = good.

And we all know the ties corrupt Ukraine has with the corrupt Biden family (and dozens of other corrupt politicians), which only adds to the Ukraine love.


https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/26/politics/trump-putin-ukraine/index.html

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No it's not. That's ridiculous. I support Ukraine trying to keep their country soverign and free. I supported Trump.

We must learn to look at each issue separately...not just be against whatever lots of people are for. That's checking your brain at the door.

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I guess I've never cared about corrupt Eastern European countries. And I'm pretty sure white suburban liberal housewives and beta males waving a Ukrainian flag never cared about corrupt Eastern European countries either...until CNN, Twitter, and Hollywood told them to care.

lol "beta males waving a Ukrainian flag." all men who support Ukraine fighting against a hostile invading power are a bunch of limp wristed p***ies amirite?

Knowing Ken Paxton he'll probably see liberals waiving Ukrainian flags in an act of solidarity and then form a task force to investigate them as communist sympathizers or something.

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Isn't it generally recognized that an upside down flag is a symbol of distress?

So it might be intentional or it might be unintentional. You really can't say without more information.

El Chupacabra said:

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I guess I've never cared about corrupt Eastern European countries. And I'm pretty sure white suburban liberal housewives and beta males waving a Ukrainian flag never cared about corrupt Eastern European countries either...until CNN, Twitter, and Hollywood told them to care.

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You mean...."until Russia invaded Ukraine under the guise of they have Nazi's over there."

For what it's worth, we flew the Ukrainian flag upside down for the first week as well until my wife noticed our error. It's sad that we easily rip those in which we disagree...but a couple of 60+ white conservative Republicans made that same mistake.

Note...I'm not admonishing you as you only brought up the question. That said, look at the post directly after this one.

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Isn't it generally recognized that an upside down flag is a symbol of distress?

So it might be intentional or it might be unintentional. You really can't say without more information.

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Do you really think these people are that clever?

Waffledynamics said:

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It's slacktivism and virtue signaling, which is absolutely a problem.

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Sounds like by having an issue with it is your own virtue signaling. If all the other things happening why in the world do you care what other people do on their own property? This must be a slow day on F16.

BluHorseShu said:

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It's slacktivism and virtue signaling, which is absolutely a problem.

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Sounds like by having an issue with it is your own virtue signaling. If all the other things happening why in the world do you care what other people do on their own property? This must be a slow day on F16.

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Despising the people who are used to making naive but heartfelt social media posts about things that are of global importance says more about the haters than the naive/shallow social media posts.

Are the Ukraine haters just former Trump supporters en masse? I supported Trump but also support Ukraine. If it isn't a big subset of Trump supporters who are they?

Another way to ask this....
If Trump were president and Putin were still too dense to constrain himself and he invaded Ukraine do you think Trump would support Ukraine? I do. Afterall, he sent them armaments while he was in office? if we would support Trump supporting Ukraine why can't we support them now? What does the name of our President have to do with our support of a Eastern European fledgling democracy with strategic oil and wheat production?

I dont think it matters who is the President. I support a Euro country over Putin's Russia. Any day. All day.

WestAustinAg said:

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BluHorseShu said:

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It's slacktivism and virtue signaling, which is absolutely a problem.

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Sounds like by having an issue with it is your own virtue signaling. If all the other things happening why in the world do you care what other people do on their own property? This must be a slow day on F16.

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POST OF THE DAY!


Despising the people who are used to making naive but heartfelt social media posts about things that are of global importance says more about the haters than the naive/shallow social media posts.

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I disagree. The virtue signalers are being selfish; they just want attention. I think Jeselnik sums it up pretty nicely.

LegalDrugPusher said:

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Over the last couple weeks I have noticed just in my neighborhood alone here in McKinney several homes have blue and yellow ribbons or even the Ukrainian flag flying in their yard and then there's of course a lot of Ukrainian flags posted on peoples Facebook profiles.

Is this the current trendy thing to do that brings people warm cozy fuzzy feelings?

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"I support whatever is next."

btw...... I posted a Ukranian flag in my Facebook profile in 2014. I was suckered into this bs too.

No more.

Yeah, I agree with that. Probably shouldn't have said "any means necessary". My point is that we should be supporting them and doing what we can to help secure their independence.

Hard to argue with your take. Very reasonable and your barometer makes sense. I'm frankly just tired of everyone liking to find something to be offended by.

So then like the OP? Wow..kinda harsh calling him a virtue signaler

Acknowledging that Ukraine isn't perfect does not mean you support Russia

Supporting Trump and supporting Ukraine as it protects its borders, language, culture, and sovereignty mesh 100% with Trump's policies.

What doesn't mesh is the far left's stance on practically everything vs. their current cheerleading for Ukraine.

It's only logical to welcome the hand of support from the left while simultaneously leaning around and trying to figure out what they've got in the other hand behind their back.

Conservatives and liberals can be on the same side of an issue. It used to happen all the time.

In these dozens of efforts to conflate a global crisis with conservative foot-stomping issues, the most (and maybe only) applicable one is being left out.

You could actually get traction out of a Second Amendment discussion, citing that armed citizens are putting up an effective defense against a superpower. It's a great opportunity to combat arguments that the language of the Second Amendment is antiquated or irrelevant in modern warfare.

Seems like a missed opportunity.

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LegalDrugPusher said:

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Over the last couple weeks I have noticed just in my neighborhood alone here in McKinney several homes have blue and yellow ribbons or even the Ukrainian flag flying in their yard and then there's of course a lot of Ukrainian flags posted on peoples Facebook profiles.

Is this the current trendy thing to do that brings people warm cozy fuzzy feelings?

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"I support whatever is next."

btw...... I posted a Ukranian flag in my Facebook profile in 2014. I was suckered into this bs too.

No more.

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They are clearly conditioning people for war. Just furthering the mass psychosis by media and social media. Military grade mind games being played.

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Don't think so. This would mean an election day rout. Any war in Eastern Europe would be VERY unpopular. Extremely unpopular. And they don't trust Biden to wage it. Seems like shallow analysis.

CanyonAg77 said:

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Acknowledging that Ukraine isn't perfect does not mean you support Russia

Supporting Trump and supporting Ukraine as it protects its borders, language, culture, and sovereignty mesh 100% with Trump's policies.

What doesn't mesh is the far left's stance on practically everything vs. their current cheerleading for Ukraine.

It's only logical to welcome the hand of support from the left while simultaneously leaning around and trying to figure out what they've got in the other hand behind their back.

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All very reasonable takes. How dare you!