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If Jenner was pro-trans in this situation, you can bet txagfan would be championing Jenner's input as an "expert" in sports and transgenders

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Naw, she's been wrong on pretty much every trans issue relative to the groups consensus and has no answer for her unwavering support for Republican Party and their platforms.

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Jenner can't speak on behalf of the trans community but TXAGFAN can...

The woman of the year in her first year of being a woman is now not representative of the movement that she pretty much single-handedly started?


MLK wasn't representative of his movement either, I guess.

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If Jenner was pro-trans in this situation, you can bet txagfan would be championing Jenner's input as an "expert" in sports and transgenders

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Naw, she's been wrong on pretty much every trans issue relative to the groups consensus and has no answer for her unwavering support for Republican Party and their platforms.

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Jenner can't speak on behalf of the trans community but TXAGFAN can...

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But you, someone who called Jenner a dude can tell me I'm wrong? That's rich.

Well, Jenner is an XY, so there's that.

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If Jenner was pro-trans in this situation, you can bet txagfan would be championing Jenner's input as an "expert" in sports and transgenders

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Naw, she's been wrong on pretty much every trans issue relative to the groups consensus and has no answer for her unwavering support for Republican Party and their platforms.

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Jenner can't speak on behalf of the trans community but TXAGFAN can...

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But you, someone who called Jenner a dude can tell me I'm wrong? That's rich.

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I don't remember calling Jenner a dude, but she was born a dude so that doesn't ruffle my feathers like you think it does.

I'm laughing at you, saying the person who pretty much single-handedly launched the trans movement in pop culture doesn't get a say solely because of their politics, but you get to speak on behalf of the trans community.

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@GovRonDeSantis agreed! She is the rightful winner! @TMZ It’s not transphobic or anti-trans, it’s COMMON SENSE! https://t.co/RuWBikgWPx

— Caitlyn Jenner (@Caitlyn_Jenner) March 22, 2022

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This forum loves a contrarian.

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Common sense*

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I don't disagree with Caitlyn, this is a massive miscalculation by both sides on this issue. I wouldn't dream of posting the thread title with a tweet by Caitlyn though lol. She's hardly representative of trans people.

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A trans person is not representative of trans people? What's the term for this? If it was a black person they would be called an Uncle Tom, what's a trans person that doesn't represent trans people called? I want to be up on my street lingo.

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An Auntie Bruce?

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TXAGFAN said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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If Jenner was pro-trans in this situation, you can bet txagfan would be championing Jenner's input as an "expert" in sports and transgenders

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Naw, she's been wrong on pretty much every trans issue relative to the groups consensus and has no answer for her unwavering support for Republican Party and their platforms.

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Jenner can't speak on behalf of the trans community but TXAGFAN can...

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But you, someone who called Jenner a dude can tell me I'm wrong? That's rich.

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I don't remember calling Jenner a dude, but she was born a dude so that doesn't ruffle my feathers like you think it does.

I'm laughing at you, saying the person who pretty much single-handedly launched the trans movement in pop culture doesn't get a say solely because of their politics, but you get to speak on behalf of the trans community.

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It hit your radar maybe in that moment as a presumably older guy, but they were there before.

I'm betting you're older than I am...either way doesn't matter. And I never said they weren't there before Jenner. I said he he pretty much single-handedly launched the movement into pop culture.

Either your reading comprehension is unbelievably poor or you really do just twist words and arguments on the fly like the pretzel you're often accused of being.

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I'm betting you're older than I am...either way doesn't matter. And I never said they weren't there before Jenner. I said he he pretty much single-handedly launched the movement into pop culture.

Either your reading comprehension is unbelievably poor or you really do just twist words and arguments on the fly like the pretzel you're often accused of being.

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Jenner did not launch anything into pop culture or anywhere else. Jenner is barely a blip on the radar, 99.9% of the trans "community" hates her, and she's only kept popular because she became a fixation for the "trans panic" crowd.

If anyone launched anything it was Laverne Cox

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If Jenner was pro-trans in this situation, you can bet txagfan would be championing Jenner's input as an "expert" in sports and transgenders

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Naw, she's been wrong on pretty much every trans issue relative to the groups consensus and has no answer for her unwavering support for Republican Party and their platforms.

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Jenner can't speak on behalf of the trans community but TXAGFAN can...

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But you, someone who called Jenner a dude can tell me I'm wrong? That's rich.

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I don't remember calling Jenner a dude, but she was born a dude so that doesn't ruffle my feathers like you think it does.

I'm laughing at you, saying the person who pretty much single-handedly launched the trans movement in pop culture doesn't get a say solely because of their politics, but you get to speak on behalf of the trans community.

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It hit your radar maybe in that moment as a presumably older guy, but they were there before.

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Maybe you should try reading his post again more slooooooowly

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I'm betting you're older than I am...either way doesn't matter. And I never said they weren't there before Jenner. I said he he pretty much single-handedly launched the movement into pop culture.

Either your reading comprehension is unbelievably poor or you really do just twist words and arguments on the fly like the pretzel you're often accused of being.

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Jenner is barely a blip on the radar, 99.9% of the trans "community" hates her, and she's only kept popular because she became a fixation for the "trans panic" crowd.

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Citation needed

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I'm betting you're older than I am...either way doesn't matter. And I never said they weren't there before Jenner. I said he he pretty much single-handedly launched the movement into pop culture.

Either your reading comprehension is unbelievably poor or you really do just twist words and arguments on the fly like the pretzel you're often accused of being.

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Jenner is barely a blip on the radar, 99.9% of the trans "community" hates her, and she's only kept popular because she became a fixation for the "trans panic" crowd.

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Citation needed

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I believe this poster is trans, do they get to comment on who is representative of trans people?

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I'm betting you're older than I am...either way doesn't matter. And I never said they weren't there before Jenner. I said he he pretty much single-handedly launched the movement into pop culture.

Either your reading comprehension is unbelievably poor or you really do just twist words and arguments on the fly like the pretzel you're often accused of being.

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Jenner did not launch anything into pop culture or anywhere else. Jenner is barely a blip on the radar, 99.9% of the trans "community" hates her, and she's only kept popular because she became a fixation for the "trans panic" crowd.

If anyone launched anything it was Laverne Cox

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Without knowing the definition of pop culture, I can say I've never heard of Laverne Cox and have heard of Bruce/Kaitlin Jenner. But that's just one data point out of 330 million

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I'm betting you're older than I am...either way doesn't matter. And I never said they weren't there before Jenner. I said he he pretty much single-handedly launched the movement into pop culture.

Either your reading comprehension is unbelievably poor or you really do just twist words and arguments on the fly like the pretzel you're often accused of being.

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Jenner did not launch anything into pop culture or anywhere else. Jenner is barely a blip on the radar, 99.9% of the trans "community" hates her, and she's only kept popular because she became a fixation for the "trans panic" crowd.

If anyone launched anything it was Laverne Cox

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I have zero idea who that is.

And I would bet you a lot of money that you're wrong. If you polled everyday Americans on the street, I think a vast majority would recognize Jenner over Cox.

If I remember correctly aren't you trans? Maybe you're looking at it through the lens of that community and not pop culture?

I'm sure the community has who they consider their leadership, but ask anyone on the street who they consider the face of this movement is, you are gonna get 1 answer 90%+ of the time. Probably close to 100%. Some of you pick the dumbest **** to argue over. Jenner has been absolutely huge in the attention this receives from a broad pop culture perspective. After you ask people this, ask them who Laverne Cox is. No one knows

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I'm betting you're older than I am...either way doesn't matter. And I never said they weren't there before Jenner. I said he he pretty much single-handedly launched the movement into pop culture.

Either your reading comprehension is unbelievably poor or you really do just twist words and arguments on the fly like the pretzel you're often accused of being.

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Jenner is barely a blip on the radar, 99.9% of the trans "community" hates her, and she's only kept popular because she became a fixation for the "trans panic" crowd.

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Citation needed

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I believe this poster is trans, do they get to comment on who is representative of trans people?

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They made a claim that 99.9% of the trans community hate them.

I asked for citation.

Take your little straw man argument up with the other person, please. I never said whatever you're claiming to argue against.

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I'm betting you're older than I am...either way doesn't matter. And I never said they weren't there before Jenner. I said he he pretty much single-handedly launched the movement into pop culture.

Either your reading comprehension is unbelievably poor or you really do just twist words and arguments on the fly like the pretzel you're often accused of being.

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Jenner is barely a blip on the radar, 99.9% of the trans "community" hates her, and she's only kept popular because she became a fixation for the "trans panic" crowd.

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Citation needed

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I believe this poster is trans, do they get to comment on who is representative of trans people?

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Certainly more than you do...although they don't seem to grasp the term "pop culture" either.

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Naw, she's been wrong on pretty much every trans issue relative to the groups consensus and has no answer for her unwavering support for Republican Party and their platforms.

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Because in TXAGFAN's world, support for Republican Party platforms need to be answered for!

I'm trans, and fairly tuned in to the population, I think I can speak with authority without providing you citations.

Orange is the New black( which cox starred in) is an insanely popular series that has been around since 2013. The fact you don't know what it is lends credence to your lack of knowledge about pop culture.

Carmen Carrera or Cox are both more important in mainstream pop culture, Jenner is better known to YOU because she was used in shock media. She is nearly universally detested by trans people, even conservative ones.

Claiming Jenner is the face of the trans population would be like claiming Bill Clinton is the face of Arkansas

I'm not gonna lie, the Clintons are what I associate with Arkansas more than any other single person, place, or thing.

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Naw, she's been wrong on pretty much every trans issue relative to the groups consensus and has no answer for her unwavering support for Republican Party and their platforms.

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Because in TXAGFAN's world, support for Republican Party platforms need to be answered for!

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No. If you're going to post this thread that the community is divided with a tweet from a person who's well outside of the mainstream for that group, I'm going to call bull*****

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I'm trans, and fairly tuned in to the population, I think I can speak with authority without providing you citations.

Orange is the New black( which cox starred in) is an insanely popular series that has been around since 2013. The fact you don't know what it is lends credence to your lack of knowledge about pop culture.

Carmen Carrera or Cox are both more important in mainstream pop culture, Jenner is better known to YOU because she was used in shock media. She is nearly universally detested by trans people, even conservative ones.

Claiming Jenner is the face of the trans population would be like claiming Bill Clinton is the face of Arkansas

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Soooo you have no citation other than "I'm trans and I just know better!"

Also, when did I say I don't know what Orange is the New Black is? LOL If you're going to just make up arguments and say "I don't need citation! I just know!", which is laughable enough already, don't confuse who you're talking to or make stuff up about me.

You clearly have no basis in reality.

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I'm trans, and fairly tuned in to the population, I think I can speak with authority without providing you citations.

Orange is the New black( which cox starred in) is an insanely popular series that has been around since 2013. The fact you don't know what it is lends credence to your lack of knowledge about pop culture.

Carmen Carrera or Cox are both more important in mainstream pop culture, Jenner is better known to YOU because she was used in shock media. She is nearly universally detested by trans people, even conservative ones.

Claiming Jenner is the face of the trans population would be like claiming Bill Clinton is the face of Arkansas

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Let us stipulate that you are correct.

How is Jenner still not way more credentialed to speak on the subject of Trans Women in Women's Sports than just about anyone else you have listed? What is so subtractive about her not being the face of the trans population that negates the fact that she was an Olympic Gold medalist and knows of what she speaks?

After all, she has enough cred for you to refer to her as "her". What else does she need?

Men are men. Women are women. Trans do not have the ability to change their gender. Dudes shouldn't be allowed in womens sports. Can we let this thread die?

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Naw, she's been wrong on pretty much every trans issue relative to the groups consensus and has no answer for her unwavering support for Republican Party and their platforms.

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Because in TXAGFAN's world, support for Republican Party platforms need to be answered for!

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No. If you're going to post this thread that the community is divided with a tweet from a person who's well outside of the mainstream for that group, I'm going to call bull*****

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"Well outside the mainstream."

If that doesn't peg the Irony Meter, I don't know what does.

What is farther out of the "mainstream".....Jenner's views as it relates to the trans community? Or the trans community's as it relates to the general population?

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I'm trans, and fairly tuned in to the population, I think I can speak with authority without providing you citations.

Orange is the New black( which cox starred in) is an insanely popular series that has been around since 2013. The fact you don't know what it is lends credence to your lack of knowledge about pop culture.

Carmen Carrera or Cox are both more important in mainstream pop culture, Jenner is better known to YOU because she was used in shock media. She is nearly universally detested by trans people, even conservative ones.

Claiming Jenner is the face of the trans population would be like claiming Bill Clinton is the face of Arkansas

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Soooo you have no citation other than "I'm trans and I just know better!"

Also, when did I say I don't know what Orange is the New Black is? LOL If you're going to just make up arguments and say "I don't need citation! I just know!", which is laughable enough already, don't confuse who you're talking to or make stuff up about me.

You clearly have no basis in reality.

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You know the show, you don't know one of the main characters...that's ENTIRELY believable.

The "I want citations" everytime someone states something counter to the opinion for which you don't provide citations argument is getting old. You don't know what my credentials are, and given the doxxing prevelant here I have no intention of listing them. I'm sorry I don't have a pop-up ridden "news" article over a study to show you the exact percentage of trans people who don't like Jenner are, I don't spend my life trying to grow my e-cred in that way. A few minutes on Google will prove me correct though, but feel free to keep on.

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Your highness/your eminence will suffice

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How weird is it that the mods deleted my post asking why they let TXAGFAN derail threads for no reason but continue to let him derail. Honestly, some of the worst moderating on the internet. I pay for this? Rough.

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They're deleting posts on other forums that don't even come close to violating their user agreement. Seems to be done arbitrarily based on the mood or opinion of an anonymous mod. It's never been good but it's really gotten out of hand now. Looks like cancel culture is ingrained in texags moderation now. Don't like a post? No problem. Just delete it. There are no repercussions because ownership doesn't lift a finger to correct it despite paying lip service to transparency in numerous posts over the years.

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The thread i believe you are talking about saw someone catch a ban for posting the word here and another user catch a ban for simply posting an emoji with no text whatsoever. the ban was for derailing.

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I'm trans, and fairly tuned in to the population, I think I can speak with authority without providing you citations.

Orange is the New black( which cox starred in) is an insanely popular series that has been around since 2013. The fact you don't know what it is lends credence to your lack of knowledge about pop culture.

Carmen Carrera or Cox are both more important in mainstream pop culture, Jenner is better known to YOU because she was used in shock media. She is nearly universally detested by trans people, even conservative ones.

Claiming Jenner is the face of the trans population would be like claiming Bill Clinton is the face of Arkansas

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Soooo you have no citation other than "I'm trans and I just know better!"

Also, when did I say I don't know what Orange is the New Black is? LOL If you're going to just make up arguments and say "I don't need citation! I just know!", which is laughable enough already, don't confuse who you're talking to or make stuff up about me.

You clearly have no basis in reality.

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You know the show, you don't know one of the main characters...that's ENTIRELY believable.

The "I want citations" everytime someone states something counter to the opinion for which you don't provide citations argument is getting old. You don't know what my credentials are, and given the doxxing prevelant here I have no intention of listing them. I'm sorry I don't have a pop-up ridden "news" article over a study to show you the exact percentage of trans people who don't like Jenner are, I don't spend my life trying to grow my e-cred in that way. A few minutes on Google will prove me correct though, but feel free to keep on.

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Who said I don't know one of the main characters? LMAO Someone else said tehy'd never heard of her. I never did. Don't make stuff up.

I didn't say, "I want citations" every time you said something.

YOU made the claim, "99.9% of the trans people hate Jenner". Thus, the burden of proof is on you. And all you've offered is, "I'm trans! I just know!" If all it takes is a "few minutes on Google", then why didn't you spend a few minutes on Google to back up the claim you made?

That's not all I've offered, that's what you chose to hear. You made the assertion I was incorrect, after I stated I was involved with trans population in some very direct ways.

What exactly do you want as proof? What apecific types of links are you looking for? Do you think here's some great repository of surveys I can pull out of my pocket?

At the local, state, and national level, I have never interacted with a single trans person that likes Jenner. I cannot find a single trans person whom actually supports the scumbag that's not trying to be a shock jock, and takes shots at her anyway. Maybe you can, if so, feel free to share.

And yes, someone else said it. Sorry the generic contrarion answers ran together

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@GovRonDeSantis agreed! She is the rightful winner! @TMZ It’s not transphobic or anti-trans, it’s COMMON SENSE! https://t.co/RuWBikgWPx

— Caitlyn Jenner (@Caitlyn_Jenner) March 22, 2022

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Common sense*

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I don't disagree with Caitlyn, this is a massive miscalculation by both sides on this issue. I wouldn't dream of posting the thread title with a tweet by Caitlyn though lol. She's hardly representative of trans people.

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You mean he. He may call himself Caitlyn, but he is and always will be a he.


Biology is actually very easy. Binary in fact.


If one wants to live their life as a tree, a cat, or the opposite sex, go forth and prosper. Living in lala land doesnt change biology. Nor does it mean Anyone else should have to come along to your happy place.

These men conducting a war on women should be ashamed. And their supporters are as bad as any enabler. In the case of trans, it is all out war on women.

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Men are men. Women are women. Trans do not have the ability to change their gender. Dudes shouldn't be allowed in womens sports. Can we let this thread die?

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No because that would make way to much sense. We live in an era that wants nothing to do with reality. But give good ole reality time. That boat always gets righted just takes a little time.

There's even more innocent ones that that. I had a post deleted on the entertainment board that just said "story time, please" in regards to a Foo Fighters story. That's it. That was the whole post and it was deleted. I have no idea what's going on these days.