Global elitism sucks.
Ukrainian political corruption sucks.
Global warming would suck if it existed

These are all levers that people are using to divide us from the real issue.. a bunch of innocent people are being killed in Ukraine, and a bunch of young Russian boys are being sent to do it.

I think that focusing on the tangential issues takes away from the real important issue. This war ****ing sucks huge giant ****ing dog dicks, it is being fought because of an ******* dictator trying to dominate a society who wants freedom, and a propaganda war defending the action is alive and active. I don't understand people who aid that propaganda war by diluting the issue. I'm not the right guy to pick up a rifle and fly to eastern Europe, but I'm damn sure not going to help Russias propaganda war by complaining about issues that are not nearly important as the bull**** killing that is happening now.

I agree.

Agreed.

Western Woke Culture sucks and should not be pushed on Ukraine by Soros/WEF types after they kick Russia's ass.

Unfortunately terrible liberal politics are why we're here

& unfortunately terrible liberal politics is this admins solution to the issue they created


Just the fact of the matter

Now do abortion and the freaks that want to mutilate their children's genitals.

It amazes me that in 2022, a person like Putin can govern without opposition and single-handedly cause a war to occur. The Russians have to revolt.

Agree with OP.

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Global warming would suck if it existed

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Global Warming would be a good thing to have. I hope it does exist. The alternative is downright scary.

When this interglacial ends, people are going to be starving to death around the world. A cold Earth is an unproductive Earth that cannot support the population we have now.

Buford T. Justice said:

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It amazes me that in 2022, a person like Putin can govern without opposition and single-handedly cause a war to occur. The Russians have to revolt.

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Why there will be a person capable of doing this stuff in 2222. Only thing thats changed about humanity are the tools and the tech. The human heart is pretty constant.

in the late 19th C the intellectuals of that time thought we had "outgrown" war and just Twenty years later there is the war to End All Wars THEN 25 years later we advance enough where a Roman emperor would have thought humanity gods and we nuke 2 cities in a war that kills 70 million.

This stupid Utopian idea that humanity will evolve into pacifistic can we all just get along and love each other" is BS. That aint happening unless Someone forces us too. And He will or we become extinct. Today 100 megatons tomorrow anti-matter and the same ole human heart.
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Hoping for a Russian revolt is noble and possible but unlikely.

I wished the rest of the world cared as much as you. It's truly amazing to just sit here and watch a nearly defenseless nation get shelled by such an evil country and no one do anything about it.

BusterAg said:

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Global elitism sucks.
Ukrainian political corruption sucks.
Global warming would suck if it existed

These are all levers that people are using to divide us from the real issue.. a bunch of innocent people are being killed in Ukraine, and a bunch of young Russian boys are being sent to do it.

I think that focusing on the tangential issues takes away from the real important issue. This war ****ing sucks huge giant ****ing dog dicks, it is being fought because of an ******* dictator trying to dominate a society who wants freedom, and a propaganda war defending the action is alive and active. I don't understand people who aid that propaganda war by diluting the issue. I'm not the right guy to pick up a rifle and fly to eastern Europe, but I'm damn sure not going to help Russias propaganda war by complaining about issues that are not nearly important as the bull**** killing that is happening now.

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We could agree with you but then we'll all be wrong there's always politics
Involved

Thousands of people die every day due to evil forces

Whether murder genocide suicide forces Vaccinations starvation religion man made created viruses, radiation, etc

Africa has had militant Muslims being barbaric to Christians yet noone lifts a hand. Women forced into female circumcision , taken as slaves churches burned, men slaughtered, people beheaded, etc.

The turks and maybe Israel behind organ harvesting with much of it forced. Noone says a thing. How about thr millions of children abducted every year whether prostitution or even worse. And finally millions of unborn babies each year are murdered some outside the wombs

China has slaves and forced by taking away these men from families in some cases castration.

So many things to be concerned and sorrow for.

In the Bible from studying the Hebrew scriptures there is no such word for coincidence

Think about that. With God there is no such word for coincidence

This is all planned. People aren't just dying. We don't know what's really going on. We just know what's being told to is by operations that have not told us the truth in decades and now flat out lie to our faces.

We were told 100% Russian collusion
None
We were told 100% weapons ofass destruction, we didn't find any
We were told 100% no election fraud that's being revealed every day
We were told 100% no spying, but there was

We were told 100% we must get bin laden. 20 years later 2 trillion hes been had in a retirement home. Lol

We've been lied to for years....

He'll ww2 we knew of the attack and ww1 we probably knew about lusitania.

Treaty of Versailles Palestine is created. So even that was political

There are always innocent victims in all situations

I'm sure innocent people died in the Cuban missile crisis

Iraq
Afghanistan

And all the countless skirmishes We hear nothing about unless it fits a narrative.

We've been sold out.

Just remember one thing

Self reported there's not a more evil man alive than George soros. The guy turned fellow jews and countrymen Into nazis. Wait, what? Talk about a sell out.

This guy funds everything Godless. He's fsr more evil than putin.

Hes front and center backing Lememsky and Ukraine

Get that sniffer working test and start asking questions

Whats this really about

Putin getting the old band back together?

Putin protecting his country militarily

Or is there even other stuff?

Ukraine is the den for political corruption, so 100% there's always politics. Politics were on covid including the deaths
Politics were in lockdowns
Politics are in the military with Mandates as well as every other industry

And 100s of thousands if not millions died of covid and the experimental gene therapy that was created in China, possibly Ukraine, and financed unfortunately by westerners possibly even our Former president

Behind the made of politics is evil typically usually generated by greed

When a country is invaded in the scripture it's usually because of tremendous iniquity and evil.

Did America just get invaded? We sure did. Our election infrastructure. Fortunately truth will prevail as we bend a knee and pray for righteousness so we can be healed

Username checks out

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I wished the rest of the world cared as much as you. It's truly amazing to just sit here and watch a nearly defenseless nation get shelled by such an evil country and no one do anything about it.

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For being nearly defenseless the Ukes sure are making the Russians pay for every inch. Putin has a bloody nose and Uke defense stiffens from here as lots of anti armor, anti air come pouring in.

Now if you want to let your and many others emotions build to the point of pushing a desperate dictator into turning launch keys be prepared to see devastation in NY, LA, Atl, Dallas, Houston,Chg etc that make Kiev, Karkik, Muripol, Odessa look shiny and new.

People are doing things, lots of things. Direct intervention is a dangerous, stupid and knee jerk emotional response. I get how you feel. I admit it seeing the dead uke kids brought on the allergy attack from hell. I wanted to take a belt sander to Putin until I thought of my own kids,

War is a political act with a policy objective- US Army War College.

You do realize that this isn't even the worst war that's going on at this moment, right?

And that there's ongoing genocides?

And currently millions not just under threat of living under a less free government but in literal slavery?

And that a significant number of those 20yo Russians are dying for their participation in Putin's aggression?


None of this make excuses for it - but I'm getting nervous about where my fellow Americans are letting their emotions take their minds. "This is horrible and Putin is evil!" > "Someone needs to do something!"> "A no-fly zone is good!" > "Russia killed our pilot?! We need to teach them a lesson!" > US war with Russia

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9What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10Is there anything of which one can say,
"Look! This is something new"?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.

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Ecclesiastes 1:9-11

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9What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10Is there anything of which one can say,
"Look! This is something new"?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.

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Ecclesiastes 1:9-11

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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You do realize that this isn't even the worst war that's going on at this moment, right?

And that there's ongoing genocides?

And currently millions not just under threat of living under a less free government but in literal slavery?

And that a significant number of those 20yo Russians are dying for their participation in Putin's aggression?


None of this make excuses for it - but I'm getting nervous about where my fellow Americans are letting their emotions take their minds. "This is horrible and Putin is evil!" > "Someone needs to do something!"> "A no-fly zone is good!" > "Russia killed our pilot?! We need to teach them a lesson!" > US war with Russia

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Your concern is warranted. Now if only Putin didn't invade, and then on top of that, intentionally target women and children, those concerns wouldn't need to come about.

Everything that's happening in Ukraine is because Putin wanted to invade. Period. Corruption and every other thing that exists in the world exists long before Putin invaded.

It seems as if there are some who either so pro-Putin, or so anti-Biden and the Dems, that they'll find any excuse to throw shade on Ukraine and not put the blame on Putin. There's not as much as there was when Putin's invasion started, but it's still lingering. Fortunately Ukraine is being helped out as much as can be without starting WW3, but us and our allies. God willing it'll continue to not only keep Putin from taking over, but it will force him out, all while destroying everything he holds dear, including dragging his name through the mud in the history books for all eternity.

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BusterAg said:

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Global warming would suck if it existed

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Global Warming would be a good thing to have. I hope it does exist. The alternative is downright scary.

When this interglacial ends, people are going to be starving to death around the world. A cold Earth is an unproductive Earth that cannot support the population we have now.

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There's an ad about some girl that is going to be the one to cause global cooling. I think great, this girl is going to cause a disaster

Leftists care much more about the Ukranian border than they do about the US southern border.

Russian expectations from their government are very much different from American expectations from our government.

The pictures of dead women and children is horrifying. Putin is evil. The US could b*tch slap Putin if we had the balls to do it. But I don't see many horns in Washington.

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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You do realize that this isn't even the worst war that's going on at this moment, right?

And that there's ongoing genocides?

And currently millions not just under threat of living under a less free government but in literal slavery?

And that a significant number of those 20yo Russians are dying for their participation in Putin's aggression?


None of this make excuses for it - but I'm getting nervous about where my fellow Americans are letting their emotions take their minds. "This is horrible and Putin is evil!" > "Someone needs to do something!"> "A no-fly zone is good!" > "Russia killed our pilot?! We need to teach them a lesson!" > US war with Russia

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Your concern is warranted. Now if only Putin didn't invade, and then on top of that, intentionally target women and children, those concerns wouldn't need to come about.

Everything that's happening in Ukraine is because Putin wanted to invade. Period. Corruption and every other thing that exists in the world exists long before Putin invaded.

It seems as if there are some who either so pro-Putin, or so anti-Biden and the Dems, that they'll find any excuse to throw shade on Ukraine and not put the blame on Putin. There's not as much as there was when Putin's invasion started, but it's still lingering. Fortunately Ukraine is being helped out as much as can be without starting WW3, but us and our allies. God willing it'll continue to not only keep Putin from taking over, but it will force him out, all while destroying everything he holds dear, including dragging his name through the mud in the history books for all eternity.

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This attitude concerns me as much as the current administration's incompetence. Putin may well have bitten off more than he can handle. We'll see if that's true when he launches his assault into Kiev. But if he wants an out and we're too stubborn to let him off with a consolation prize - then he's in a political corner where escalation is the only way out. I.e. flattening cities and those within.

Appeasement is bull****, but leaving your enemy with no way out is really stupid: "to make him (in this case, Putin) believe that there is a road to safety, and thus prevent his fighting with the courage of despair."

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War is a political act with a policy objective- US Army War College.

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Sounds like a paraphrasing of von Clausewitz:

"War is the continuation of politics by other means."

Get Off My Lawn said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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You do realize that this isn't even the worst war that's going on at this moment, right?

And that there's ongoing genocides?

And currently millions not just under threat of living under a less free government but in literal slavery?

And that a significant number of those 20yo Russians are dying for their participation in Putin's aggression?


None of this make excuses for it - but I'm getting nervous about where my fellow Americans are letting their emotions take their minds. "This is horrible and Putin is evil!" > "Someone needs to do something!"> "A no-fly zone is good!" > "Russia killed our pilot?! We need to teach them a lesson!" > US war with Russia

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Your concern is warranted. Now if only Putin didn't invade, and then on top of that, intentionally target women and children, those concerns wouldn't need to come about.

Everything that's happening in Ukraine is because Putin wanted to invade. Period. Corruption and every other thing that exists in the world exists long before Putin invaded.

It seems as if there are some who either so pro-Putin, or so anti-Biden and the Dems, that they'll find any excuse to throw shade on Ukraine and not put the blame on Putin. There's not as much as there was when Putin's invasion started, but it's still lingering. Fortunately Ukraine is being helped out as much as can be without starting WW3, but us and our allies. God willing it'll continue to not only keep Putin from taking over, but it will force him out, all while destroying everything he holds dear, including dragging his name through the mud in the history books for all eternity.

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This attitude concerns me as much as the current administration's incompetence. Putin may well have bitten off more than he can handle. We'll see if that's true when he launches his assault into Kiev. But if he wants an out and we're too stubborn to let him off with a consolation prize - then he's in a political corner where escalation is the only way out. I.e. flattening cities and those within.

Appeasement is bull****, but leaving your enemy with no way out is really stupid: "to make him (in this case, Putin) believe that there is a road to safety, and thus prevent his fighting with the courage of despair."

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I see where you're coming from. What do you think would be an acceptable out after all he's done?

Get Off My Lawn said:

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You do realize that this isn't even the worst war that's going on at this moment, right?

And that there's ongoing genocides?

And currently millions not just under threat of living under a less free government but in literal slavery?

And that a significant number of those 20yo Russians are dying for their participation in Putin's aggression?


None of this make excuses for it - but I'm getting nervous about where my fellow Americans are letting their emotions take their minds. "This is horrible and Putin is evil!" > "Someone needs to do something!"> "A no-fly zone is good!" > "Russia killed our pilot?! We need to teach them a lesson!" > US war with Russia

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You beat me to my point.

This board has turned me into some kind of apologist for horror according to some and I'm the last person on here that is like that. It simply behooves us to look behind the curtain and at least question the why in anything we do overseas. We have to look at the strategic implications, the security implications, etc.

In addition, we are currently led by a group of a bumbling, traitorous fools that give us zero credibility in anything that we do so that doesn't help matters. Do we really want to get into a scrap with the worst president in 100 years at the helm? Who is mentally handicapped? Good god, no thanks.

And what makes Ukraine more special than the other wars that have been happening? I *think* there was/is a war in Ethiopia? There has been an ongoing war in Yemen. Those are just the two I can think of that we mostly ignored because we have no strategic interest there. As with Ukraine. If we are going to intervene in Ukraine, then why not there? Why not anytime someone starts a war? Are the deaths and murder of those people any less important than Ukrainians?

If anything, we've supported Ukraine more than any other of these regional conflicts currently on fire in the world. And that's under the threat of a nuclear exchange for f*s sake.

Some of us just merely express caution and critical thought before willy nilly entering this war. It doesn't make us apologists or Putin sympathizers. As I said earlier, we are watching the new Godwin be created before our very eyes.

We are here because we have removed God from our lives and evil is filling the vacuum. I could go on but simply put: we have a Savior, Jesus Christ! Turn to Him!

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I see where you're coming from. What do you think would be an acceptable out after all he's done?

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My vote is mind our own f'ing business. The Pax Americana has ended. It's done. Kaput. We're back in a multi-polar world. Move on. Take care of you and yours. Stay out of your neighbor's business.

Seriously, from the left and the right, there is a weird impulse to stick our nose into every situation. We're a nation of busybodies. We way, way overstate our "national interest." The drumbeat of war that is coming out of both parties right now is frightening--especially against a nuclear equipped adversary. One mistake here will be, by definition, a BIG mistake.

American Triumphalism is a deception. Yes, WWII was a victory. However, we probably don't achieve VE without the Russians. They probably do end up crushing the Nazis even without us. We've fought in two great power proxy wars since WWII. In Korea--which we can argue was not a true great power proxy because of the development level of China at the time--we managed a tie. In Vietnam, we lost.

Afghanistan can't be defined as a "victory" if compared to our legacy in Japan. The desert conflicts gave us too many "cool" images to replay like vide games and celebrate our superiority. China and Russia ain't Iraq. Best thing we can do is admit that we bailed on Ukraine and the promise we made in 1994, repent of being arrogant and self-absorbed and not keeping our word, and commit to reforming ourselves.

Everyone should be complaining about the war here in the US to destroy energy independence giving Putin the leverage he needed to invade Ukraine. Climate Change alarmist priests have convinced their congregation that made up science is more important than geopolitical stability. Those are the people directly responsible for this war.

Imagine if this was Trump had these kind of contradicting soundbites....but I guess it's better than mean tweets.#dementia #Biden #weak #corrupt pic.twitter.com/HJAZiRcjD7

— Clayton Jones (@Clayton11241106) March 17, 2022

And you made one of my two further points.

Globalization is dying. Geopolitical experts including former high level Secretaries in both US and UK administrations have said this in regards to Ukraine. Thus, the restraint. A lot of people just haven't realized that yet.

Now, the sheer irony of that is my other point....we actually are waging war on Russia. Just not kinetically. We are doing it economically and via cyber using the globalist interconnectivity of all countries. We effectively made Russia a hermit state within 7-10 days because of globalism. This counts as action and war and is an incredible feat. Ask Russians what they think and they will tell you they have been devastated as a country.

In further irony, these non-kinetic actions will serve to hasten the end of globalization as well because everyone has realized from Covid and this war that to be almost utterly dependent on others is to effectively make you a slave to them.

The EU is geographically RIGHT THERE. Why aren't they doing anything?

Good question right?

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What about the Japs? Do the Russians crush them too?

I hear Oliver Stone giving Russians all the credit in winning WW2. He says they took so many more casualties etc. No, they were directly invaded, had to deal with brutal winters, and had an inferior communist society and military. The US sent their men overseas to die for foreigners and the ratio of kills to casualties was much higher with the US military. Then we dropped a couple nukes in case anyone questioned whose military reins supreme.

Russia wasn't fighting to preserve freedom and world order, they were fighting for self preservation.

Everything is political these days. It divides us and gives power to the politicians. The world needs a hero right now.

BusterAg said:

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Global elitism sucks.
Ukrainian political corruption sucks.
Global warming would suck if it existed

These are all levers that people are using to divide us from the real issue.. a bunch of innocent people are being killed in Ukraine, and a bunch of young Russian boys are being sent to do it.

I think that focusing on the tangential issues takes away from the real important issue. This war ****ing sucks huge giant ****ing dog dicks, it is being fought because of an ******* dictator trying to dominate a society who wants freedom, and a propaganda war defending the action is alive and active. I don't understand people who aid that propaganda war by diluting the issue. I'm not the right guy to pick up a rifle and fly to eastern Europe, but I'm damn sure not going to help Russias propaganda war by complaining about issues that are not nearly important as the bull**** killing that is happening now.

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While much of that is true it is very important not to allow the emotion that seeing the horror of war creates make us lose objectivity. When you lose objectivity then you make emotional decisions that will make the original problem far worse.

Putin isn't doing this because he likes killing people and war, he is doing this for strategic reasons. Ukraine may want freedom but that isn't their history, they have always been a political pawn that is controlled by others and likely always will be because of geography. Also while there are many wonderful Ukranians they have a history of corrupt governments and radical ideology from communism to fascism.

We have to choose. Either be a Superpower/Empire that imposes our will on the rest of the world or be a more independent and powerful nation that focuses on our own strategic interests. Playing the game of being in between will result in disaster and that is what many want because they don't understand the consequences. Wars like Ukraine have a lot to do with who wants it more and the reality is we aren't going to be willing to do what we have to do to win so we need to stay away.

I think Biden is an incompetent dementia ridden fool but I am glad he isn't sending troops in or escalating even if it is for the wrong reasons. Putin is terrible but he isn't Hitler and this isn't 1939. There are always going to be terrible dictators in the world and we can't take them all out unless we make some other choices that honestly we aren't prepared to make.