Panama Red said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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LegalDrugPusher said:

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And it's great that he's a minority even tougher for the liberals to counter

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The 1st Amendment is for everyone

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Is this a serious post? Where is there a joke I am missing?

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People lack basic understanding of things like the 1A.

Prosperdick said:

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GenericAggie said:

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Companies have the right to not have him fly. I don't see the problem

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So bake the f***ing cake...right? Can't have it both ways libs.

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Every time this comes up I feel compelled to post, I have a million issues with Republican policies/platforms. No one has to bake a cake for gay people. We have plenty of money and there's lots of bakeries, there's not enough evangelical gofundme dollars to bail out every single baker who takes this stand either. Opinions have consequences, but market will sort them out.

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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GenericAggie said:

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Companies have the right to not have him fly. I don't see the problem

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If they don't have a policy that says that, I do not believe they can. At least not without facing repercussions.

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Delta's Contract of Carriage, Rule 7(E) includes a series of reasons why they may refuse to transport a passenger. The last item on the list states:

8) When the passenger's conduct, attire, hygiene or odor creates an unreasonable risk of offense or annoyance to other passengers.

This is probably enough to cover them, although it is still crazy to kick him off after he removed the sweatshirt.

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If he removed the offending clothing once he was made aware wouldn't that be grounds for a lawsuit.
IANAL

torrid said:

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If you ask me, this guy was looking to get kicked off the flight in order to get attention.

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I bet you think Rosa Parks was minding her own business.

TXAGFAN said:

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Prosperdick said:

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GenericAggie said:

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Companies have the right to not have him fly. I don't see the problem

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So bake the f***ing cake...right? Can't have it both ways libs.

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Every time this comes up I feel compelled to post, I have a million issues with Republican policies/platforms. No one has to bake a cake for gay people. We have plenty of money and there's lots of bakeries, there's not enough evangelical gofundme dollars to bail out every single baker who takes this stand either. Opinions have consequences, but market will sort them out.

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Glad you can have at least a somewhat reasonable take but the key difference is the baker would happily sell any other cake to the gay couple (and had in the past, which is why they chose that bakery, or at least they claim) but in this case the passenger wasn't violating any of their public policies although I just saw the post about attire that could offend.

The fact he took off the hoodie should have been enough...just like if the gay couple had chosen any other cake in the display case. The fact that they decided to kick him off the plane because they (very likely) were against his political beliefs is a very dangerous and slippery slope.

Prosperdick said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Prosperdick said:

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GenericAggie said:

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Companies have the right to not have him fly. I don't see the problem

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So bake the f***ing cake...right? Can't have it both ways libs.

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Every time this comes up I feel compelled to post, I have a million issues with Republican policies/platforms. No one has to bake a cake for gay people. We have plenty of money and there's lots of bakeries, there's not enough evangelical gofundme dollars to bail out every single baker who takes this stand either. Opinions have consequences, but market will sort them out.

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Glad you can have at least a somewhat reasonable take but the key difference is the baker would happily sell any other cake to the gay couple (and had in the past, which is why they chose that bakery, or at least they claim) but in this case the passenger wasn't violating any of their public policies although I just saw the post about attire that could offend.

The fact he took off the hoodie should have been enough...just like if the gay couple had chosen any other cake in the display case. The fact that they decided to kick him off the plane because they (very likely) were against his political beliefs is a very dangerous and slippery slope.

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I disagree. A plane, post 9/11, is no place to be inflammatory. I've flown hundreds and hundreds of segments in last 10 years and even though it's been a long time people are still on edge. Especially with covid there's no more patience for difficult passengers. This was not the ENTIRETY of the passenger's interaction and I'm betting there is more. They don't send the gate supervisor down first in my experience.

TXAGFAN said:

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Prosperdick said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Prosperdick said:

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GenericAggie said:

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Companies have the right to not have him fly. I don't see the problem

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So bake the f***ing cake...right? Can't have it both ways libs.

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Every time this comes up I feel compelled to post, I have a million issues with Republican policies/platforms. No one has to bake a cake for gay people. We have plenty of money and there's lots of bakeries, there's not enough evangelical gofundme dollars to bail out every single baker who takes this stand either. Opinions have consequences, but market will sort them out.

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Glad you can have at least a somewhat reasonable take but the key difference is the baker would happily sell any other cake to the gay couple (and had in the past, which is why they chose that bakery, or at least they claim) but in this case the passenger wasn't violating any of their public policies although I just saw the post about attire that could offend.

The fact he took off the hoodie should have been enough...just like if the gay couple had chosen any other cake in the display case. The fact that they decided to kick him off the plane because they (very likely) were against his political beliefs is a very dangerous and slippery slope.

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I disagree. A plane, post 9/11, is no place to be inflammatory. I've flown hundreds and hundreds of segments in last 10 years and even though it's been a long time people are still on edge. Especially with covid there's no more patience for difficult passengers. This was not the ENTIRETY of the passenger's interaction and I'm betting there is more. They don't send the gate supervisor down first in my experience.

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That's about what I expect from you. Get in the cattle car and shut up.

AggieLostinDallas said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Prosperdick said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Prosperdick said:

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GenericAggie said:

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Companies have the right to not have him fly. I don't see the problem

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So bake the f***ing cake...right? Can't have it both ways libs.

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Every time this comes up I feel compelled to post, I have a million issues with Republican policies/platforms. No one has to bake a cake for gay people. We have plenty of money and there's lots of bakeries, there's not enough evangelical gofundme dollars to bail out every single baker who takes this stand either. Opinions have consequences, but market will sort them out.

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Glad you can have at least a somewhat reasonable take but the key difference is the baker would happily sell any other cake to the gay couple (and had in the past, which is why they chose that bakery, or at least they claim) but in this case the passenger wasn't violating any of their public policies although I just saw the post about attire that could offend.

The fact he took off the hoodie should have been enough...just like if the gay couple had chosen any other cake in the display case. The fact that they decided to kick him off the plane because they (very likely) were against his political beliefs is a very dangerous and slippery slope.

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I disagree. A plane, post 9/11, is no place to be inflammatory. I've flown hundreds and hundreds of segments in last 10 years and even though it's been a long time people are still on edge. Especially with covid there's no more patience for difficult passengers. This was not the ENTIRETY of the passenger's interaction and I'm betting there is more. They don't send the gate supervisor down first in my experience.

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That's about what I expect from you. Get in the cattle car and shut up.

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Comparing being an ass on a plane to getting in a train car to German death camp. Yikes, these comparisons always end well.

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torrid said:

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If you ask me, this guy was looking to get kicked off the flight in order to get attention.

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I bet you think Rosa Parks was minding her own business.

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Man you are full of good ones. This poor guy, what a terrible situation he was in.

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Panama Red said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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LegalDrugPusher said:

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And it's great that he's a minority even tougher for the liberals to counter

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The 1st Amendment is for everyone

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Is this a serious post? Where is there a joke I am missing?

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People lack basic understanding of things like the 1A.

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I get what you say. But in addition to the constitutional rights, I think we generally have a social contract wherein I enjoy a basic human right to free speech in exchange for yours and so and so forth. I think Corporations enjoy that right as well. So perhaps they should extend it back...or at the very least if your rules are going to quell free speech, publish it and be consistent.

On the other hand, I like the liberal concept of private ownership and to allow people to serve who they want to serve for whatever reason they may choose.

Huh? You don't have a right to fly on a place and what liberal viewpoint? Republicans were all in on private business having rights and things like at will employment until they started requiring masks and vaccines then the world was ending because it didn't match their worldview.

Do whatever you want, but there are consequences.

I think we are using liberal differently. I think you're thinking I'm talking about leftism. I am not. Liberal had a meaning before the socialists stole it. I choose to continue to use it.

Delta is a garbage airline anyways. **** Delta. And **** Joe Biden.

Can we all agree that if this dude wore a F*** Trump hoodie back in 2017 not only would he not be hassled but likely applauded by fellow liberal dip****s. If you can't see that double standard you are as blind as a f***ing bat.

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Can we all agree that if this dude wore a F*** Trump hoodie back in 2017 not only would he not be hassled but likely applauded by fellow liberal dip****s. If you can't see that double standard you are as blind as a f***ing bat.

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We don't have a fraction of the merch you all do.

Obama had a bit with the hope/change stuff, but nothing compared to FJB/MAGA.

Prosperdick said:

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Can we all agree that if this dude wore a F*** Trump hoodie back in 2017 not only would he not be hassled but likely applauded by fellow liberal dip****s. If you can't see that double standard you are as blind as a f***ing bat.

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Every cat owning Karen would have patted him on the back and bragged about how they have a black friend at work and how she understood his struggles.

TXAGFAN said:

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Huh? You don't have a right to fly on a place and what liberal viewpoint? Republicans were all in on private business having rights and things like at will employment until they started requiring masks and vaccines then the world was ending because it didn't match their worldview.

Do whatever you want, but there are consequences.

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You have a right to fly on a plane since it is critical infrastructure and public access is required. Full stop (Kamala nod).

Also, I do not think any of the majors are "private" companies, whatever the hell that is supposed to mean. If you are a large enough to be noticed by the general public, then no matter your ownership structure you are going to be subject to litigation to bake cakes. Just as you should be subject for discriminating against one's political beliefs.

Do you really want to live in a country where "we only fly democrats / liberals or those who wear the mask of shame for not bowing to Paski God".

Libs have all of the sudden started thinking any thing not government is "private" and not subject to any laws on discrimination.

TXAGFAN said:

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Prosperdick said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Prosperdick said:

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GenericAggie said:

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Companies have the right to not have him fly. I don't see the problem

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So bake the f***ing cake...right? Can't have it both ways libs.

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Every time this comes up I feel compelled to post, I have a million issues with Republican policies/platforms. No one has to bake a cake for gay people. We have plenty of money and there's lots of bakeries, there's not enough evangelical gofundme dollars to bail out every single baker who takes this stand either. Opinions have consequences, but market will sort them out.

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Glad you can have at least a somewhat reasonable take but the key difference is the baker would happily sell any other cake to the gay couple (and had in the past, which is why they chose that bakery, or at least they claim) but in this case the passenger wasn't violating any of their public policies although I just saw the post about attire that could offend.

The fact he took off the hoodie should have been enough...just like if the gay couple had chosen any other cake in the display case. The fact that they decided to kick him off the plane because they (very likely) were against his political beliefs is a very dangerous and slippery slope.

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I disagree. A plane, post 9/11, is no place to be inflammatory. I've flown hundreds and hundreds of segments in last 10 years and even though it's been a long time people are still on edge. Especially with covid there's no more patience for difficult passengers. This was not the ENTIRETY of the passenger's interaction and I'm betting there is more. They don't send the gate supervisor down first in my experience.

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I've never once read a take of yours that I considered based in reason or logic. Why start now?

Dude's a hero. Plain and simple.

I was on a flight the other day from Vegas and a guy was wearing a mask that read "this mask is worthless as joe Biden". No issues for him but he did get a lot of compliments and laughs

This is a fair response. What is their stated policy?

I don't know their policy. Let's say they have the policy. Ok then?

I didn't say half of the **** in this post and you're completely wrong on a couple items. Go search for cake in the forum search with my user name, you're going to be devastated when you read my many posts on that subject.

No one is proposing a political criteria to fly. I'm guessing this individual was asked to get off plane for being disruptive or not following directions, not just because he was wearing a goofy sweatshirt. Props to gate agent/supervisor for getting him off flight and avoiding having to deplane all the passengers. For example, he's not wearing his mask in video. I don't wear one in daily life, but it's a federal mandate and he could have been removed for that alone.

Insightful post. Really prove a point saying you don't read my posts while taking time to reply.

Shooz in Mizzou said:

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Dude's a hero. Plain and simple.

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Man we're just throwing that word around for everything.

GenericAggie said:

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I don't know their policy. Let's say they have the policy. Ok then?

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Absolutely not. If they find your hairstyle or piercings or other appearance factors that is offensive to them or other passengers, is it okay to remove the passengers?

The dem/libs have weaponized way beyond race, religion, color etc and went full tilt on creed. Its discrimination and it is just as foul as discriminating on one's skin color or national origin.

fka ftc said:

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GenericAggie said:

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I don't know their policy. Let's say they have the policy. Ok then?

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Absolutely not. If they find your hairstyle or piercings or other appearance factors that is offensive to them or other passengers, is it okay to remove the passengers?

The dem/libs have weaponized way beyond race, religion, color etc and went full tilt on creed. Its discrimination and it is just as foul as discriminating on one's skin color or national origin.

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You have ZERO context for that statement.

He's not wearing mask in video. If he refuses to wear it he could have been removed for that alone. No telling what happened before this video started.

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Companies have the right to not have him fly. I don't see the problem

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I would love to see it return to the day when people dressed to fly.

It's too much for airlines these days, but if I had my own business jet, employees and guests wouldn't fly on it if they didn't dress up for the occasion. Minimum of business casual or the equivalent in western attire. And being or getting drunk would result in a lifetime ban.

If they want to be a slob, they can take an airline instead.

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I didn't say half of the **** in this post and you're completely wrong on a couple items. Go search for cake in the forum search with my user name, you're going to be devastated when you read my many posts on that subject.

No one is proposing a political criteria to fly. I'm guessing this individual was asked to get off plane for being disruptive or not following directions, not just because he was wearing a goofy sweatshirt. Props to gate agent/supervisor for getting him off flight and avoiding having to deplane all the passengers. For example, he's not wearing his mask in video. I don't wear one in daily life, but it's a federal mandate and he could have been removed for that alone.

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You could have said stuff and be just as "tough". And I can state a point without attributing ever part of that point to you personally, which would be an ad hominem attack.

I do not go an "research" anyone's posting history. That seems lame. You do not have a conversation with a person then go back and check their conversation history on a variety of topics over the years. Again, that smells of cancel culture ideologies.

Back to your response. If he was asked to remove his shirt or any reference to his shirt led to escalation by the airline worker is WRONG.

He is in a public space and has a right to free speech. You think its not a public space? then see mask mandates you referenced.

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fka ftc said:

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GenericAggie said:

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I don't know their policy. Let's say they have the policy. Ok then?

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Absolutely not. If they find your hairstyle or piercings or other appearance factors that is offensive to them or other passengers, is it okay to remove the passengers?

The dem/libs have weaponized way beyond race, religion, color etc and went full tilt on creed. Its discrimination and it is just as foul as discriminating on one's skin color or national origin.

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You have ZERO context for that statement.

He's not wearing mask in video. If he refuses to wear it he could have been removed for that alone. No telling what happened before this video started.

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You are right. We should all considered he was wearing a vest of dynamite and screaming "MAGA!" before the video starter.

Context? See George Floyd popping lethal doses of pills, passing counterfeit bills and resisting arrest. Context my arse.

I'm not arguing with someone who has zero understanding of our right to free speech, have a good one.

TXAGFAN said:

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I'm not arguing with someone who has zero understanding of our right to free speech, have a good one.

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Another ad hominem attack. You again provide no explanation for your comment on my knowledge of free speech.

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Prosperdick said:

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Can we all agree that if this dude wore a F*** Trump hoodie back in 2017 not only would he not be hassled but likely applauded by fellow liberal dip****s. If you can't see that double standard you are as blind as a f***ing bat.

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We don't have a fraction of the merch you all do.

Obama had a bit with the hope/change stuff, but nothing compared to FJB/MAGA.

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Y'all certainly had tons of ***** hats, baby Trump blimps and other assorted props that I can't recall ever being used as justification to deny someone's passage on an airline or any other mode of transport. Nice deflection though.

Prosperdick said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Prosperdick said:

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Can we all agree that if this dude wore a F*** Trump hoodie back in 2017 not only would he not be hassled but likely applauded by fellow liberal dip****s. If you can't see that double standard you are as blind as a f***ing bat.

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We don't have a fraction of the merch you all do.

Obama had a bit with the hope/change stuff, but nothing compared to FJB/MAGA.

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Y'all certainly had tons of ***** hats, baby Trump blimps and other assorted props that I can't recall ever being used as justification to deny someone's passage on an airline or any other mode of transport. Nice deflection though.

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Some pink beanies at a couple events and some weird protest "art" triggered you? If someone wearing a certain color beanie is a problem that seems like a YOU problem and I don't think those trump balloons would fit on any flight I've been on recently.

fka ftc said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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I'm not arguing with someone who has zero understanding of our right to free speech, have a good one.

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Another ad hominem attack. You again provide no explanation for your comment on my knowledge of free speech.

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I am commenting on accuracy of your statements, like your understanding of "public" entities/spaces and free speech. That's not an ad hom attack.