Discussion around the office. Got an office pool going.

A few years from now, how will this conflict have ended?

1. Putin pulls back under economic pressure, capitulates and resigns?

Joe gets richer?

Ciboag96 said:

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1. Putin pulls back under economic pressure, capitulates and resigns?

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2. Biden claims victory and corporate media sells it well.

2. Russia take Kyiv, fight lasts another 6 months while talks are held. Eventually an agreeement is made, Russia keeps a few easter Ukrainian states and sanctions are mostly lifted. Putin remains in power.

3. Putin takes all of Ukraine, threatens Polish border. Russia remains cut off from the world. Cold War 2 lasts through Putins eventual death from old age.

Joe Biden continues to kill American, oil and we are told we need green energy to cure all our problems.

Ciboag96 said:

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1. Putin pulls back under economic pressure, capitulates and resigns?

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I don't think he resigns, but I do think he pulls back under that he can sell to his people about why he did it.

4. Russia's economic collapse is too much for Russia, military is defeated due to lack of economic capability to keep it going, someone puts a bullet in Vlad's dome, conflict ends.

Or, last but not least,

5. Russia's economic collapse is too much for Russia, military is defeated due to lack of economic capability to keep it going, Vlad says **** it and hits the button. We all enjoy a nice global nuclear winter. Aliens land on earth centuries from now and sign a treaty with the cockroaches that remain.

The folks I've listened to that deal in biblical prophecy believe Russia and China are big players in the end times.

The US is being destroyed from within and balkanized by the leftwing Marxists. We will look like Mexico in a couple of decades, corrupt and weak.

Thus, I believe that Russia takes Ukraine and then continues to increase its power and territory. Perhaps the eastern nations now in NATO leave it and join Russia voluntarily.

Marcus Brutus said:

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The folks I've listened to that deal in biblical prophecy believe Russia and China are big players in the end times.

The US is being destroyed from within and balkanized by the leftwing Marxists. We will look like Mexico in a couple of decades, corrupt and weak.

Thus, I believe that Russia takes Ukraine and then continues to increase its power and territory. Perhaps the eastern nations now in NATO leave it and join Russia voluntarily.

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Don't they know Matthew 24:26? I guess they don't believe Jesus?

panhandlefarmer said:

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Marcus Brutus said:

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The folks I've listened to that deal in biblical prophecy believe Russia and China are big players in the end times.

The US is being destroyed from within and balkanized by the leftwing Marxists. We will look like Mexico in a couple of decades, corrupt and weak.

Thus, I believe that Russia takes Ukraine and then continues to increase its power and territory. Perhaps the eastern nations now in NATO leave it and join Russia voluntarily.

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Don't they know Matthew 24:26? I guess they don't believe Jesus?

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wut?

Putin is finally assassinated by someone in his inner circle.

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The folks I've listened to that deal in biblical prophecy believe Russia and China are big players in the end times.

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China is a different issue - (unless they are calling China MaGog) - but the idea of Russian participation in the "Last Days" is based off of "Gog and Magog" passages in Ezekiel 38,39. They have a problem though and it is a rather larger one! This eschatological view point is not supported by the Bible.

In a nutshell, Gog and Magog are listed as some sort of region or nation state twice in scripture. Once as mentioned above in Ez 38 & 39. And the other?
Here it is and the verses that set it up:

Rev 20:1-3

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should DECEIVE the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

Rev 20:7-10

7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
NKJV

And that is what Ez 38 &39 describes! This is not today or this time. NO WAY. If you read the Ez 38 &39 passages you will see there is very specific language about gathering up the weapons of war used by Gog, Magog and the nations and BURNING THEM AS FUEL for 7 years. This could not happen today! Why people refuse to see this is beyond me.

Basically this false eschatological theology has basically allowed the western Christianity to label the hated Russians and (and former Soviet Union) as the evil Gog for the last 70 or 80 years. It is just not based on biblicial truth as it is clear WHEN Gog and Magog happen and it clearly is AFTER the Lord's 1000 year millennial reign which has not happened at this time.

An office pool with multi-year outcomes?

Putin will take over half of Ukraine because no one has the guts to stand up to him, and it will be forgotten about much like we have forgotten this is exactly what he did in Crimea and other neighboring areas.

No one wants to take on Russia (especially Russia + China). Given history, I don't think it is in our interest to lead the way against them either. We missed our shot 70 years ago.

10% to the Big Guy

Burdizzo said:

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Putin will take over half of Ukraine because no one has the guts to stand up to him, and it will be forgotten about much like we have forgotten this is exactly what he did in Crimea and other neighboring areas.

No one wants to take on Russia (especially Russia + China). Given history, I don't think it is in our interest to lead the way against them either. We missed our shot 70 years ago.

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It's not in our interest bc our politicians use Russia/China to wash the money they steal from the American taxpayer

We will always bend the knee

My Name Is Judge said:

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Burdizzo said:

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Putin will take over half of Ukraine because no one has the guts to stand up to him, and it will be forgotten about much like we have forgotten this is exactly what he did in Crimea and other neighboring areas.

No one wants to take on Russia (especially Russia + China). Given history, I don't think it is in our interest to lead the way against them either. We missed our shot 70 years ago.

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It's not in our interest bc our politicians use Russia/China to wash the money they steal from the American taxpayer

We will always bend the knee

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Same thing is happening to the European taxpayers. If Russia is such a threat to them, they need to nut up first. Best I can tell, Poland is the only country making any effort.

Ciboag96 said:

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2. Russia take Kyiv, fight lasts another 6 months while talks are held. Eventually an agreeement is made, Russia keeps a few easter Ukrainian states and sanctions are mostly lifted. Putin remains in power.

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This is my thoughts

He doesn't necessarily want all of Ukraine but will keep Kherson (to control the fresh water supply to Crimea) then a land corridor to connect Crimea to the Donbas region which he will also keep

That will give him a secure Crimea with land access to Russia proper

The bad: Putin gets his buffer state . China takes Taiwan

The good. It gets very expensive and bloody for
Putin because Ukraine doesn't want to be his buffer state. NATO's European members finally nut up
And do their part for their own protection. Red Wave here in November helps neuter the left for Biden's last 2 yrs and then we return to sanity under DeSantis.

No telling what additional damage the leftists and globalists can still generate in the interim tho

Marcus Brutus said:

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The folks I've listened to that deal in biblical prophecy believe Russia and China are big players in the end times.

The US is being destroyed from within and balkanized by the leftwing Marxists. We will look like Mexico in a couple of decades, corrupt and weak.

Thus, I believe that Russia takes Ukraine and then continues to increase its power and territory. Perhaps the eastern nations now in NATO leave it and join Russia voluntarily.

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You've got to be careful with that bat signal.

I believe this whole thing is a freaking false flag diversion tactic to get our attention off all the garabage that the Cabal and there incompetent band of clowns had wrought on the US and the west. Like the Covid BS falling apart. the trucker strike and runaway inflation. Not to mention and artificially created spike in O&G prices. Which will further erode the ever shrinking US middle class.

They want the economy to eventually tank, that's the plan. They cannot pull off their Great Reset with out it.

Ukraine is very useful stooge in this game. I believe that Zelensky is actually a legitimately elected President and he was not a "Cabal States" guy as he was beginning to crack down on the Hunter Biden's and Soros corruption that has been going in there for years. Nor was he a Russian stooge.

So Zelensky needs to go. Kind of like Trump. And I am sure Russia was told before hand that the US would not intervene! (I have multiple reliable sources that have confirmed this). So Putin truly does feel he has no option but to do this, to not means a slow death for Russia, but a death none the less. And who knows maybe he can draw the some hot heads in the western to launch some kind of strike or make some sort of assassination attempt against him that gives him the necessary provocation to break out the nasty stuff, and go ape! - (which it is clear that up to this point in Ukraine they have not!).

The Cabal States are just letting Putin do their dirty work for them. They want And like Trump they want him out by any means. So let the Ruskies do it and sit back and watch.

My hope is that there will be enough internal decent in Russia and enough Russia troops just going, (Naah we aren't doing this any more) that there will be another crumbling in Russia. But then what comes up, probably a Cabal controlled stooge.

Agreed

Probably bc Poland dealt w Russian scum for 40 years following WW2 & knows a few extra dollars don't mean all that much when compared to potential communist rule….

• Russia lays siege to Kyiv and other cities. The fighting is fierce and people are being slaughtered. Intense international pressure is on Putin to stop it already.
• Putin says **** you and keeps on keeping on.
• Zelensky offers a deal to resign to spare Ukraine.
• Putin agrees and elections are held to where a Russia favorable government is installed.
• Putin annexes the eastern regions of Ukraine as this will be part of the "election" and the citizens in these regions vote overwhelmingly to join Russia.
• Europe, the US, and a few other nations throw a hissy fit and keep the sanctions on Russia.
• Russia doesn't care because they have oil and the Biden refuses to go back to Trump policies.
• The price of oil hits $150 a barrel, go buy stock now - should have bought Exxon when it was at $30 something not long ago.
• The average price of gas in the US is nearly $6.00 a gallon.
• Dems get killed midterm.
• 25th amendment is invoked, Biden offers to resign instead.
• Heels up becomes POTUS, and almost immediately is impeached for gross incompetence.
• Nothing gets done for next 2+ years in US govt as gridlock rules the day.
• Republicans win POTUS in 2024 and have Congress. Scorched earth is unleashed as the great purge begins.

Oil goes to $190 a barrel. Russia becomes wealthier than it has ever been. China/Russia create new currency. The U.S. goes into full depression and U.S. Oil Companies relocate to Aruba which they buy and relocate Arubans to the U.S. to join the new majority of "anybody here is a citizen".

The U.S. agrees to sell Texas to former U.S. Oil Companies, and they sell Florida to China.

Ciboag96 said:

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Discussion around the office. Got an office pool going.

A few years from now, how will this conflict have ended?

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Putin demolishes most of Ukraine

hopefully Zelensky can escape to the West but likely will be killed

some Ukes conduct insurgency over the next several years against the Putin installed government

eventually Putin dies

eventually Ukraine will be free once again

how long all that takes is the only issue

We end up paying the price while the elites stay fat and rich

Always a given

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The folks I've listened to that deal in biblical prophecy believe Russia and China are big players in the end times.

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Pat Robertson?

(Try a different station)

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I believe this whole thing is a freaking false flag diversion tactic to get our attention off all the garabage that the Cabal and there incompetent band of clowns had wrought on the US and the west.

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Irish Coffee for breakfast I see.

Y'all really want to know the most likely outcome? Its Russia leaving before Kyiv falls, keeping a part of Ukraine, and Biden proclaiming victory for doing nothing and Putin getting exactly what he wanted from the start.

Russia captures Kyiv, negotiates for most of eastern Ukraine, establishes a puppet government in Western Ukraine, solidifies an agreement that none of Ukraine or Moldova can join the NATO alliance.

My Name Is Judge said:

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Agreed

Probably bc Poland dealt w Russian scum for 40 years following WW2 & knows a few extra dollars don't mean all that much when compared to potential communist rule….

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That is the other thing. Fox had an analyst on last night that pointed out Russian rule isn't so much about communism as it is that the folks running Russia are essentially an organized crime family. Substitute the word gangster for oligarch, and the story doesn't change. The Poles are most certainly aware of that, but I expect they will ultimately be overwhelmed as well because no one else around them will step up.

Sanctions will never work against Putin. He still has allies to help him, and any economic hardship will only be shoved down on the masses. Stalin did the same thing. The Russian people, bless their hearts, are not the ones we should expect to force the change. They have been conditioned for generations for their leaders to crap on them, and they will endure it because they don't know any better.