C@LAg said:

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Spanking children for bad behavior is awesome.

So awesome, we should be able to spank other peoples' children for their bad behavior.

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You know you were a 70s-80s kid when your parents gave your friend's parents full permission to punish you for acting up at their house when you visited.

In middle school n the 70s coach's and principal s were still busting ass. It would get your attention.

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TxAgPreacher said:

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Pr 22:15 Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child;
The rod of correction will drive it far from him.

Pr 29:15 The rod and rebuke give wisdom,
But a child left to himself brings shame to his mother.


Pr 13:24 He who spares his rod hates his son,
But he who loves him disciplines him promptly.

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Wasn't "the rod" spoken about in the Bible more about using it to show what direction to go etc? It is my understanding that it wasn't used to beat the animal.

BTW, Christian as well..

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Mostly correct.

It's about correcting not abuse.

Proverbs 23:13-14 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you strike him with a rod, he will not die. If you strike him with the rod, you will save his soul from Sheol.

I literally could not care what the Bible has to say about how I raise my children.

Once you learn that God told Abraham to kill his son as a means of testing his faith, you really begin to question whether the Bible is the best manual for how to raise your child.

SRCag18 said:

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I literally could not care what the Bible has to say about how I raise my children.

Once you learn that God told Abraham to kill his son you really begin to question whether the Bible is the best manual for how to raise your child.

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You will on judgment day.

Kozmozag said:

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In middle school n the 70s coach's and principal s were still busting ass. It would get your attention.

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Okie doke.

Mr. Aggie Preacher, are you okay with hitting children?

Kozmozag said:

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In middle school n the 70s coach's and principal s were still busting ass. It would get your attention.

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Hell, I graduated high school in '92 and I was subject to swats from coaches and ag teachers all the way through my senior year.

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SRCag18 said:

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I literally could not care what the Bible has to say about how I raise my children.

Once you learn that God told Abraham to kill his son you really begin to question whether the Bible is the best manual for how to raise your child.

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You will on judgment day.

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Username checks the eff out.

TxAgPreacher said:

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SRCag18 said:

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I literally could not care what the Bible has to say about how I raise my children.

Once you learn that God told Abraham to kill his son you really begin to question whether the Bible is the best manual for how to raise your child.

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You will on judgment day.

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Spanking can be on of many consequences (insert any number of solutions), but consequences are what are needed.

SRCag18 said:

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I literally could not care what the Bible has to say about how I raise my children.

Once you learn that God told Abraham to kill his son as a means of testing his faith, you really begin to question whether the Bible is the best manual for how to raise your child.

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When you're done trolling this thread, you should finish that story.

It's a pretty good one.

C@LAg said:

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MarathonAg12 said:

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C@LAg said:

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Spanking children for bad behavior is awesome.

So awesome, we should be able to spank other peoples' children for their bad behavior.

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That's one way to get your ass kicked. Or in Harris County, shot!

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then i would have to give you a (corrective) spanking too.

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I'll spank you even harder.

Kozmozag said:

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In middle school n the 70s coach's and principal s were still busting ass. It would get your attention.

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I got swats with a paddle by my football coach in 2002.

SRCag18 said:

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Imagine hitting an adult because they do something you don't want. Imagine hitting your spouse because she wouldn't finish the vegetables on her plate, or forgot to make her bed/pickup clothes from the ground, or was snappy in a response to you after a bad day.

Why is hitting children different? If your answer is because they're not old enough to understand the way an adult would, then they also aren't old enough to understand why you're inflicting pain onto them.

Yes, it's easier to punish bad behavior with spanking, but it doesn't make it right. And just because you were also spanked and "turned out fine" doesn't mean the practice needs to continue with another generation. And in fact, if your justification for spanking is that it's fine because it happened to you, I'd argue that you didn't "turn out fine."

It's weird. It's outdated. It needs to be done away with. For God's sake, a child can learn respect for you and others without fear having to come attached with it.

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Do you have kids?

SRCag18 said:

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I literally could not care what the Bible has to say about how I raise my children.

Once you learn that God told Abraham to kill his son you really begin to question whether the Bible is the best manual for how to raise your child.

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God did tell Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, and Abraham was obedient and did as God asked and built the altar and was prepared to kill Isaac, but God provided a ram for the sacrifice.

It's obvious you don't like spanking and will never spank your kids, so you should bow out of this conversation because you don't add any value to the discussion.

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Malibu2 said:

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Worth its own thread.

The current conventional wisdom from the experts is that spanking children does more harm than good, and creates and discipline and obedience through fear rather than trust. And we all know that experts are often wrong and most of us can review our own childhood of when we had it coming and as parents when our kids have it coming.

To the shock of no one, I don't spank my 3yo. I did keep a data log of undesirable behaviors and parental response during a particularly stormy terrible twos spell and found the only thing that actually changed my daughter's behavior was hugs, play, and validating emotions. Time out did nothing but cause more tantrums. Early bed time did nothing but cause more tantrums. Loss of privileges did nothing but cause more tantrums. For my daughter, validation of bad feelings and ho hum late night FM DJ voice to enforcing boundaries and calling out toddler shenanigans has so far been the only effective behavior modification strategy.

Curious this boards take.

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Behavior modification is not necessarily the goal.

I can manipulate my daughter to not throw tantrums but I am trying to instill values and build character, not just prevent tantrums. I do however think long term behavior should be impacted by the discipline.

I am still on the fence with the effectiveness and dynamics that surround spanking my children, but I have three daughters and firmly believe I would not have any problem with it if I had a son. Odd side note my wife and I have both decided she does not have the temperament to appropriately spank our children and have decided that if it is used we both talk about it and its carried out by me.

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To take a more tame example, a 3 year old running excitedly and bumps a table knocking over a glass of water. I want my kid to learn 1) control of her body and care, 2) to fix your mistakes. Yelling at her for carelessness or giving a time out did nothing. Asking, what happened, and what can we do has yielded a kid that 70% of the time gets the rag to clean up a spill without my needing to tell her or asks if we can play outside when she needs to run around.

C@LAg said:

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MarathonAg12 said:

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C@LAg said:

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MarathonAg12 said:

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C@LAg said:

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Spanking children for bad behavior is awesome.

So awesome, we should be able to spank other peoples' children for their bad behavior.

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That's one way to get your ass kicked. Or in Harris County, shot!

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then i would have to give you a (corrective) spanking too.

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I'll spank you even harder.

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you are on!

user name better check out.

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Meet me me in the Metaverse at 9pm

MarathonAg12 said:

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Anyone here with children with severe ADHD? Kindergarten?

Tips or Advice? I'll hear you out within reason.

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I do not have a kid with severe ADHD, but I was that kid. The biggest piece of advice I can give is patience, and keep trying different things. One of the big things for me was when my parents stopped forcing me to sit at the dinner table to do school work, that was a battle that was never going to be won. Learning had to be an active activity, and what helped the most was when they actually wrote my school work for me (early years). I would be laying on the ground, pacing around, fidgeting, whatever my over active mind wanted to do, but I could answer any questions you had about the school work. After we started this, I became an straight A student. This was obviously the early years, as I got older I found coping ways to handle school work myself, like working on multiple assignments at one time.

The final piece of advice I have is fight the urge to medicate without therapy attached. I do not mean laying on the couch therapy, I mean with a developmental psychologist or someone equivalent that can teach different coping methods of dealing with an over active mind.

You're going to have some very very frustrating times ahead of you, but you got this. I turned into a pretty dang decent adult.

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SRCag18 said:

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I literally could not care what the Bible has to say about how I raise my children.

Once you learn that God told Abraham to kill his son as a means of testing his faith, you really begin to question whether the Bible is the best manual for how to raise your child.

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When you're done trolling this thread, you should finish that story.

It's a pretty good one.

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God uses his own son as a human sacrifice. Even better!

I have 3 kids (10 and 8 year old twins).

If you don't let them get away with the small stuff, the big stuff is not a problem.

We see misbehaved and disrespectful kids and adults all the time…apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Most of the time said kid is staying busy on an iPhone/iPad instead of politely sitting still or engaging in conversation.

From pretty much as soon as they could walk, we put ours standing at attention with nose in the corner for any misbehaving or disrespectful actions. At times, we'd have all 3 in a delegate corner with their noses stuck to the corner and if one was slouching or hands not to their side, it adds a minute to all of them. After their time in corner is up, they must tell me what they are being punished for as a reminder to not do it again and to reinforce they understand.

Today I rarely have an issue and their behavior at school according to teachers is very respectful and obedient.

I have changed from corner to 20 push-ups…might as well get some physical fitness in to take advantage of the negative energy.

Forgiving me for thinking this was a thread about spanking children and giving my opinion on such.

Although perhaps you believe I don't hold value to this conversation simply because I don't hold the same beliefs you do?

My Name Is Judge said:

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Spank as necessary

If you raise your kids properly you won't need to spank often


Most liberals probably should spank often, but don't, & that's why their children almost always have poor behavior

Of course if said libs raised their children properly to begin w they wouldn't have to spank often


It's basically a Down's syndrome chicken & egg situation w pretty much everything when it comes to liberals

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if they raised their kids properly - then they probably wouldn't be liberals. like yo said chicken/ egg

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MarathonAg12 said:

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Anyone here with children with severe ADHD? Kindergarten?

Tips or Advice? I'll hear you out within reason.

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I do not have a kid with severe ADHD, but I was that kid. The biggest piece of advice I can give is patience, and keep trying different things. One of the big things for me was when my parents stopped forcing me to sit at the dinner table to do school work, that was a battle that was never going to be won. Learning had to be an active activity, and what helped the most was when they actually wrote my school work for me (early years). I would be laying on the ground, pacing around, fidgeting, whatever my over active mind wanted to do, but I could answer any questions you had about the school work. After we started this, I became an straight A student. This was obviously the early years, as I got older I found coping ways to handle school work myself, like working on multiple assignments at one time.

The final piece of advice I have is fight the urge to medicate without therapy attached. I do not mean laying on the couch therapy, I mean with a developmental psychologist or someone equivalent that can teach different coping methods of dealing with an over active mind.

You're going to have some very very frustrating times ahead of you, but you got this. I turned into a pretty dang decent adult.

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Thanks brother.

This is probably the best piece of advice I'll take away from this website all year. Therapy has been working and trying to hold out on the medication. It's been a fun ride so far haha

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To take a more tame example, a 3 year old running excitedly and bumps a table knocking over a glass of water. I want my kid to learn 1) control of her body and care, 2) to fix your mistakes. Yelling at her for carelessness or giving a time out did nothing. Asking, what happened, and what can we do has yielded a kid that 70% of the time gets the rag to clean up a spill without my needing to tell her or asks if we can play outside when she needs to run around.

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i don't think anyone is advocating for spanking a child for that behavior

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I have 3 kids (10 and 8 year old twins).

If you don't let them get away with the small stuff, the big stuff is not a problem.

We see misbehaved and disrespectful kids and adults all the time…apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Most of the time said kid is staying busy on an iPhone/iPad instead of politely sitting still or engaging in conversation.

From pretty much as soon as they could walk, we put ours standing at attention with nose in the corner for any misbehaving or disrespectful actions. At times, we'd have all 3 in a delegate corner with their noses stuck to the corner and if one was slouching or hands not to their side, it adds a minute to all of them. After their time in corner is up, they must tell me what they are being punished for as a reminder to not do it again and to reinforce they understand.

Today I rarely have an issue and their behavior at school according to teachers is very respectful and obedient.

I have changed from corner to 20 push-ups…might as well get some physical fitness in to take advantage of the negative energy.

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We had tear stains in various corners of the house for years. We also moved onto pushups when they started adolescence.

SRCag18 said:

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I literally could not care what the Bible has to say about how I raise my children.

Once you learn that God told Abraham to kill his son as a means of testing his faith, you really begin to question whether the Bible is the best manual for how to raise your child.

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I would bet you anything that kids who are raised in a biblically based two parent household generally do better in just about every aspect of life than those who are raised by liberals/atheists or the state. But go ahead and butter up your children their whole lives and see how they turn out. Just don't ask me/society to pay for your mistakes when they aren't independent well-functioning adults.

Do you have children? You seem like someone who doesn't and probably never will but took a sociology or psychology class in the last few years and now think you have the world figured out.

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Forgiving me for thinking this was a thread about spanking children and giving my opinion on such.

Although perhaps you believe I don't hold value to this conversation simply because I don't hold the same beliefs you do

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You don't bring value because you are using irrational examples.

Having raised 9 children, I can safely say that everyone is different and so is the carrot or stick that they respond to. Sometimes nothing works. Sometimes a spanking gets their attention. Child by child and situation by situation is how to play it and we will still make mistakes.

MarathonAg12 said:

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Anyone here with children with severe ADHD? Kindergarten?

Tips or Advice? I'll hear you out within reason.

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I can just speak for my situation. Have a girl with severe ADHD and it was showing up at 4 years old. She had a hard time paying attention, following directions and had impulsive behaviors. I avoided medication until 3 grade because I was trying to not use it. I was terrified what the assessments would say at the end of 3rd grade, but she did well. She just couldn't do well on a week to week basis. Good grades one week, F's the next. At that point, I knew she needed help - everything else I was doing wasn't helping. It was at that point I got her on medication and things improved. She's now a junior at A&M, and I can honestly say that I had severe reservations that she would even go to college as she was growing up. She is still scattered, but she's doing her best. She's still there!

ADHD presents differently as a young adult. The defiance and behavioral issues do go away. There were periods as a teen she did not use her meds and got to the point when she took medication when she needed it. It was good to have her medicated when she started to learn how to drive. ADHD kids have significantly increased accident rates and her pediatrician strongly recommended that she stay on her meds during this time.

I don't know when (or if) she will come completely off the medication. Once her roommates knew she has Adderall they wanted some (and she doesn't give it out because she knows it would be hard for her to get timely refills, as well as it's wrong). That's a different issue that you have to address with them.

It's very telling that you group "biblically-based households" separate from liberals, and especially ironic given that our current president is a Catholic and a liberal. Even more ironic when juxtaposed with our previous commander in chief.

Regardless, religion needs to stay out of politics. To that we can hopefully all agree.

And no, I'm not a parent yet. However, my wife and I have had extensive discussions about parenting style and methods, and we are 99% on the same page for when that wonderful time does come.

She raised two kid siblings as teen. I'm talking from 4-5 years old to 8-9 years old, until she moved to school here. Both kids from a broken home, where yes, physical punishment was very prevalent.

Children aren't buttered up if they're not spanked. This notion that spanking is the only way to raise a child who is obedient is far outdated, and especially ironic coming from a group of people who are very quick to call others "sheep" for their perceived obedience to authority.

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So you're saying an adult would understand why their behavior is wrong, while a child wouldn't.

If a child doesn't understand why their behavior is bad, why is it okay to hit mask them? All they are going to learn is that the person or people who love them most will hit mask them, even when it's regarding something they don't understand. It's not acceptable.

And by the time a child is old enough to understand these things, you should be able to communicate this to them, and find alternative methods of punishment for continuing bad behavior that doesn't involve spanking masks.

This is coming from somebody who was spanked masked as a kid: all it did was reinforce to me fear, and how to get better at hiding behaviors that were bad. Why would you want your kid to hide things from you out of fear?

There's been numerous studies on the inefficacy and even detriments of spanking masking that you're welcome to read.

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I don't know where you stand on masking kids. But for some reason your arguments sound exactly like those who do not want their kids masked. Just thought it was interesting.

SRCag18 said:

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I literally could not care what the Bible has to say about how I raise my children.

Once you learn that God told Abraham to kill his son as a means of testing his faith, you really begin to question whether the Bible is the best manual for how to raise your child.

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