OP, this information is very important news and information regarding Coronavirus/Covid-19. It really needs to be posted in the F84 topic quoted above. Those people need to know this.Quote:
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Good thing the vaccines work so well
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FriscoKid said:Salute The Marines said:FriscoKid said:Salute The Marines said:
Kinda weird to judge a vaccine by infections when it wasn't designed to prevent infection.Quote:
Only five of the Covid cases were in people given the vaccine, 90 were in those given the dummy treatment. The company says the vaccine is protecting 94.5% of people.
The data also shows there were 11 cases of severe Covid in the trial, but none happened in people who were immunised.
"The overall effectiveness has been remarkable... it's a great day," Tal Zaks, the chief medical officer at Moderna, told BBC News.
Dr Stephen Hoge, the company's president, said he "grinned ear to ear for a minute" when the results came in.
He told BBC News: "I don't think any of us really hoped that the vaccine would be 94% effective at preventing Covid-19 disease, that was really a stunning realisation."
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54902908
Your quote only proves my point. Thanks for sharing. Disease =/= infection.
This has been my favorite argument of yours.
It should be. Since it's based on the basic concepts of infection and disease. Unless of course you equate HIV to AIDS. Which I'm sure you do not.
cone said:
are flu shots therapeutics?
Yes. Crappy ones at that, like this therapeutic.
"The Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution was never designed to restrain the people. It was designed to restrain the government."
this is exactly why i blocked this botLSB_2002 said:HAHAHHAHAHHHHAHHHAH........you again. Love it.Salute The Marines said:
Kinda weird to judge a vaccine by infections when it wasn't designed to prevent infection.
Salute The Marines said:
Kinda weird to judge a vaccine by infections when it wasn't designed to prevent infection.
Why do you continue to state this lie when everyone on this board knows it is a lie?
Salute The Marines said:cone said:that's horse***** it was not at all sold as a severity lessener. it was sold as akin to the polio vaccine.Salute The Marines said:
Kinda weird to judge a vaccine by infections when it wasn't designed to prevent infection.
the 90% efficacy figure attached wasn't compared to severe illness in the control group. it was any and all symptoms.
The polio vaccine also does not prevent infection. In fact, the polio vaccine actually caused some cases of polio.
66 years ago, you think we would have learned something by now.Quote:
In April 1955 more than 200 000 children in five Western and mid-Western USA states received a polio vaccine in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective. Within days there were reports of paralysis and within a month the first mass vaccination programme against polio had to be abandoned. Subsequent investigations revealed that the vaccine, manufactured by the California-based family firm of Cutter Laboratories, had caused 40 000 cases of polio, leaving 200 children with varying degrees of paralysis and killing 10.
All vaccines are touted so you don't catch that diease is this even an argument?
But at this point, with a weakening variant, it leads one to wonder if the boosters are actually making people more susceptible to getting infection, even if it's weak, and wondering if it's worth it at all. Or just merely adding to cases now.Salute The Marines said:
Kinda weird to judge a vaccine by infections when it wasn't designed to prevent infection.
It's not weird at all to wonder WTF is going on
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-12-15-20/h_74244d15e5a16fc7be6ce2825b02f581Salute The Marines said:FriscoKid said:Salute The Marines said:
Kinda weird to judge a vaccine by infections when it wasn't designed to prevent infection.Quote:
Only five of the Covid cases were in people given the vaccine, 90 were in those given the dummy treatment. The company says the vaccine is protecting 94.5% of people.
The data also shows there were 11 cases of severe Covid in the trial, but none happened in people who were immunised.
"The overall effectiveness has been remarkable... it's a great day," Tal Zaks, the chief medical officer at Moderna, told BBC News.
Dr Stephen Hoge, the company's president, said he "grinned ear to ear for a minute" when the results came in.
He told BBC News: "I don't think any of us really hoped that the vaccine would be 94% effective at preventing Covid-19 disease, that was really a stunning realisation."
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54902908
Your quote only proves my point. Thanks for sharing. Disease =/= infection.
Article from 12-15-2020Quote:
Vaccine maker Moderna says its coronavirus shots don't just prevent symptomatic disease, but can prevent infection in the first place.
flu shots are vaccines
vaccine has a very specific definition and mechanism for action
vaccine has a very specific definition and mechanism for action
yet, even as recent as this week, you get the POTUS and his team saying Omicron is spiking everywhere and the BEST thing to do is get vaccinated. It was not designed to prevent infection....but it sure has been touted that way by politicians.Salute The Marines said:
Kinda weird to judge a vaccine by infections when it wasn't designed to prevent infection.
Like F16 changing the definition of "pandemic"?Pookers said:ITS NOT A THERAPEUTIC ITS A VACCINE BECAUSE THEY CHANGED THE DEFINITION OF VACCINE 8 MONTHS AGO!!!Capt. Augustus McCrae said:Salute The Marines said:
Kinda weird to judge a vaccine by infections when it wasn't designed to prevent infection.
So it's a therapeutic?
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
It's almost like we were lied to about this.A is A said:https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-12-15-20/h_74244d15e5a16fc7be6ce2825b02f581Salute The Marines said:FriscoKid said:Salute The Marines said:
Kinda weird to judge a vaccine by infections when it wasn't designed to prevent infection.Quote:
Only five of the Covid cases were in people given the vaccine, 90 were in those given the dummy treatment. The company says the vaccine is protecting 94.5% of people.
The data also shows there were 11 cases of severe Covid in the trial, but none happened in people who were immunised.
"The overall effectiveness has been remarkable... it's a great day," Tal Zaks, the chief medical officer at Moderna, told BBC News.
Dr Stephen Hoge, the company's president, said he "grinned ear to ear for a minute" when the results came in.
He told BBC News: "I don't think any of us really hoped that the vaccine would be 94% effective at preventing Covid-19 disease, that was really a stunning realisation."
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54902908
Your quote only proves my point. Thanks for sharing. Disease =/= infection.Article from 12-15-2020Quote:
Vaccine maker Moderna says its coronavirus shots don't just prevent symptomatic disease, but can prevent infection in the first place.
cone said:
flu shots are vaccines
vaccine has a very specific definition and mechanism for action
Not anymore
"The Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution was never designed to restrain the people. It was designed to restrain the government."
by "almost", I'm sure you mean "definitely"LoudestWHOOP! said:It's almost like we were lied to about this.A is A said:https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-12-15-20/h_74244d15e5a16fc7be6ce2825b02f581Salute The Marines said:FriscoKid said:Salute The Marines said:
Kinda weird to judge a vaccine by infections when it wasn't designed to prevent infection.Quote:
Only five of the Covid cases were in people given the vaccine, 90 were in those given the dummy treatment. The company says the vaccine is protecting 94.5% of people.
The data also shows there were 11 cases of severe Covid in the trial, but none happened in people who were immunised.
"The overall effectiveness has been remarkable... it's a great day," Tal Zaks, the chief medical officer at Moderna, told BBC News.
Dr Stephen Hoge, the company's president, said he "grinned ear to ear for a minute" when the results came in.
He told BBC News: "I don't think any of us really hoped that the vaccine would be 94% effective at preventing Covid-19 disease, that was really a stunning realisation."
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54902908
Your quote only proves my point. Thanks for sharing. Disease =/= infection.Article from 12-15-2020Quote:
Vaccine maker Moderna says its coronavirus shots don't just prevent symptomatic disease, but can prevent infection in the first place.
Salute The Marines said:
Kinda weird to judge a vaccine by infections when it wasn't designed to prevent infection.
Then why mandate it.
Philip J Fry said:Salute The Marines said:
Kinda weird to judge a vaccine by infections when it wasn't designed to prevent infection.
Then why mandate it.
v Philip J Fry said:Salute The Marines said:
Kinda weird to judge a vaccine by infections when it wasn't designed to prevent infection.
Then why mandate it.
That's why pointing out the effectiveness of the vaccines is important. It's time to move on.
Get back to me when they hit 69,420
Salute The Marines said:
Kinda weird to judge a vaccine by infections when it wasn't designed to prevent infection.
Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception.
well a flu shot predates whatever rhetorical madness you want to blame
and it's a vaccine
and it's a vaccine
The problem is that the powers that be have changed the definition of a vaccine to align with COVID vaccine outcomes.cone said:
flu shots are vaccines
vaccine has a very specific definition and mechanism for action
Kind of a red flag.
I read that article or one like it and it was that news that made me take the leap and get the vaccine. I had just had multiple family members hospitalized with Covid in the three months before it came out and didn't want to have the same issues.FriscoKid said:Salute The Marines said:
Kinda weird to judge a vaccine by infections when it wasn't designed to prevent infection.Quote:
Only five of the Covid cases were in people given the vaccine, 90 were in those given the dummy treatment. The company says the vaccine is protecting 94.5% of people.
The data also shows there were 11 cases of severe Covid in the trial, but none happened in people who were immunised.
"The overall effectiveness has been remarkable... it's a great day," Tal Zaks, the chief medical officer at Moderna, told BBC News.
Dr Stephen Hoge, the company's president, said he "grinned ear to ear for a minute" when the results came in.
He told BBC News: "I don't think any of us really hoped that the vaccine would be 94% effective at preventing Covid-19 disease, that was really a stunning realisation."
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54902908
It's crazy how it has gone from 94% reduction of symptomatic cases to being vaccinated now makes you more likely to get and spread Covid vs non-vaccinated.
I don't really regret my choice yet, but I won't get another shot again and if in the future pandemics they come out with a shot that will save the day I'm going to pass on being an early adopter.
well the mRNA tech does perform in a similar way to vaccines as we understood them in 2019
just in a really cool high tech pinpointed (and limited) sort of way
that the mechanism worked and was well-tolerated by millions (billions?) is a massive breakthrough
just in a really cool high tech pinpointed (and limited) sort of way
that the mechanism worked and was well-tolerated by millions (billions?) is a massive breakthrough
I'm just saying it should give everyone pause when a definition everyone has agreed on since its inception is changed for political reasons.cone said:
well the mRNA tech does perform in a similar way to vaccines as we understood them in 2019
just in a really cool high tech pinpointed (and limited) sort of way
that the mechanism worked and was well-tolerated by millions (billions?) is a massive breakthrough
That greatly discounts my belief in the efficacy of whatever topic we are discussing.
They really don't though.cone said:
well the mRNA tech does perform in a similar way to vaccines as we understood them in 2019
just in a really cool high tech pinpointed (and limited) sort of way
that the mechanism worked and was well-tolerated by millions (billions?) is a massive breakthrough
Salute The Marines said:
Kinda weird to judge a vaccine by infections when it wasn't designed to prevent infection.
Good little solider probably got his booster, even though it isn't even required by president poopy pants.
Take it to 84 and catch a banSalute The Marines said:
Kinda weird to judge a vaccine by infections when it wasn't designed to prevent infection.
you won't see me disagreeing that public health has absolutely nuked their credibility across the board
that's a disaster
that's a disaster
No point, most of them are showing up on this thread anyway.Guardian Angel said:Take it to 84 and catch a banSalute The Marines said:
Kinda weird to judge a vaccine by infections when it wasn't designed to prevent infection.
Taking a deeper dive...into Gain of Function ... err... bioweapon developmentMouthBQ98 said:
Omicron is a upper respiratory virus. It also has a folded/looped end spike protein.
The vaccines were engineered for the forked spike protein of Alpha variant that is also in the Delta variant.
Antibodies from these vaccines bond less efficiently to the Omicron spike protein.
Omicron is so contagious with such a high R value that vaccines don't slow it much, especially as they don't produce optimal antibodies for it. Fortunately, Omicron only attacks the upper respiratory tract and has classic cold symptoms, and doesn't tend to cause the deep lung and circulatory tissue damage that causes serious medical complications. The vaccines may simply be getting much credit for the different way Omicron affects the body with regards to "preventing hospitalization and death". It may be having very little positive effect on the infection, though it would help further eliminate older variants in favor of Omicron.
Somehow they knew to prepare vaccines for a forked protein but not a folded one. Think it through. They couldn't vaccinate against the mutation but just what they knew at the time...the engineered virus we know and love.
They were ready for the forked protein before it was a thing. OMG how did they know. LMAO
Rapier108 said:No point, most of them are showing up on this thread anyway.Guardian Angel said:Take it to 84 and catch a banSalute The Marines said:
Kinda weird to judge a vaccine by infections when it wasn't designed to prevent infection.
You'd think people would be more knowledgeable about vaccines. Do you know why they come out with a new flu vaccine every year instead of just saying, here's the flu vaccine!? It's kind of like shoes… they don't make just one style and size for a reason. The flu changes a bit every year. It also usually has more than one variation floating around at the same time. And because the yearly vaccine isn't aimed directly at more than one variant it's efficacy with others is less than the one it was designed for. Add in that every person's physiology is a bit different and you get a range of efficacy in different people even with the targeted flu. They obviously can't design a personal vaccine for every person or for every variant.
So we're seeing lots of new COVID cases and you're blaming that on the vaccine not working. Stop and actually think. The vaccines in use were designed for the original bug that hit us. It was doing a good job of bringing down cases. Until new variations started spreading. Seems pretty obvious that it wouldn't be as good at stopping the new variants. You might get good at hitting a fastball, but what happens when you face a pitcher with a really good curve? What the vaccines ARE doing is still reducing the severity of the bug in folks who are vaccinated. The vast majority of people hospitalized in intensive care - and dying - from COVID are people who haven't been vaccinated, or perhaps had one shot at most. Some fully vaccinated people will still get severely ill and die, yes. No one ever told us the vaccines were 100% effective… 93% at most, if you'll remember, meaning that for up to 7 out 100 people the vaccine will provide little or no protection. Variations in personal physiology will do that. Check out the TV ads for the latest, greatest life saving and altering wonder drugs. They're awesome! And, oh yeah, they might cause heart attack or internal bleeding, or cause you to have this or that other debilitating side effect. They do great things for some… not so much for others. We aren't all 100% the same.
So we're seeing lots of new COVID cases and you're blaming that on the vaccine not working. Stop and actually think. The vaccines in use were designed for the original bug that hit us. It was doing a good job of bringing down cases. Until new variations started spreading. Seems pretty obvious that it wouldn't be as good at stopping the new variants. You might get good at hitting a fastball, but what happens when you face a pitcher with a really good curve? What the vaccines ARE doing is still reducing the severity of the bug in folks who are vaccinated. The vast majority of people hospitalized in intensive care - and dying - from COVID are people who haven't been vaccinated, or perhaps had one shot at most. Some fully vaccinated people will still get severely ill and die, yes. No one ever told us the vaccines were 100% effective… 93% at most, if you'll remember, meaning that for up to 7 out 100 people the vaccine will provide little or no protection. Variations in personal physiology will do that. Check out the TV ads for the latest, greatest life saving and altering wonder drugs. They're awesome! And, oh yeah, they might cause heart attack or internal bleeding, or cause you to have this or that other debilitating side effect. They do great things for some… not so much for others. We aren't all 100% the same.
This is why I drop these here rather than into that skidmark of a forum,84. More eyes here, At least I can help some people in this forum.Rapier108 said:No point, most of them are showing up on this thread anyway.Guardian Angel said:Take it to 84 and catch a banSalute The Marines said:
Kinda weird to judge a vaccine by infections when it wasn't designed to prevent infection.
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Ivermectin always worked.
Get the RX sent to a compounding pharmacy. That way the doc is not on a registry for filling the RX.
Get it filled for $30 instead of $240. Everyone wins.
Even the doctor more concerned with covering their own butt as opposed to patient care options can actually start helping people.
Seems like these "vaccines" aren't worth shoving down peoples throats. It's amazing you can type as much as you did and not realize in all that rambling that most people just want to be left alone. Don't threaten my job. Don't threaten my kid's school. Don't threaten where I go to eat. Just leave me the F alone and I'll pretend your vaccine works. Deal?
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