Fashionably Late said:

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BattleGrackle said:

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I don't t see how a nonbeliever could read this thread and not be drawn to Christ by the love and kindness show by all of the believers here.

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At least we're not blowing each other up anymore. That's progress, right? Catholics are always the first in these threads to shout that everyone but them is going to hell. Since I was a child they've been saying the same thing. The hardliners aren't even Christian imo. And the ones who deify the marxist/globalist Pope, certainly not.

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There is no salvation outside of the Church; which is the body of Christ. Membership in the body of Christ is what makes one a Christian, not SB 43 street og's discernment

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Alas you are mistaken. It's an individual thing based on your personal relationship with Christ. Not your corporate membership in a church.

Fashionably Late said:

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BattleGrackle said:

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I don't t see how a nonbeliever could read this thread and not be drawn to Christ by the love and kindness show by all of the believers here.

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At least we're not blowing each other up anymore. That's progress, right? Catholics are always the first in these threads to shout that everyone but them is going to hell. Since I was a child they've been saying the same thing. The hardliners aren't even Christian imo. And the ones who deify the marxist/globalist Pope, certainly not.

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There is no salvation outside of the Church; which is the body of Christ. Membership in the body of Christ is what makes one a Christian, not SB 43 street og's discernment

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So looking to the word of wiki there are 2.38 billion Christians world wide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country

The largest denomination is the Catholic Church, with 1.3 billion baptized members. That means that 1 billion so people who think they're Christians are not in fact Christians, and are not saved? That's going to be a rude surprise.

I'm going to Heaven... and I'm protestant.

Jesus paid my admission too.

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I'm not going to join in the Catholic v Protestant fight going on here, nothing makes Satan happier.

I will say though that I have never once stepped foot in a catholic church but know unequivocally that I have been saved by the Blood of Christ and am going to Heaven when I die. I have a personal relationship with Jesus that I try to advance daily though I fail all of the time.

Churches are dwindling only in the USA. They're exploding all over the rest of the World. This is because American Churches are chasing attendance by watering down scripture while non-American Churches are not.

Whenever Catholics and Protestants fight, it's always the same "you molest choir boys" vs. "Joel Osteen" nonsense that gets slung around. Jesus says in Heaven, there will be people from every tongue, tribe and nation present. I think this inclusivity contradicts the extreme exclusivity that some Catholics are promoting herein.

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The Catholic Church has adherents from every tongue tribe and nation. We are universal, as Christ's church was meant to be

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Does that make Muslims "universal" as well?

techno-ag said:

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Fashionably Late said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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BattleGrackle said:

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I don't t see how a nonbeliever could read this thread and not be drawn to Christ by the love and kindness show by all of the believers here.

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At least we're not blowing each other up anymore. That's progress, right? Catholics are always the first in these threads to shout that everyone but them is going to hell. Since I was a child they've been saying the same thing. The hardliners aren't even Christian imo. And the ones who deify the marxist/globalist Pope, certainly not.

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There is no salvation outside of the Church; which is the body of Christ. Membership in the body of Christ is what makes one a Christian, not SB 43 street og's discernment

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Alas you are mistaken. It's an individual thing based on your personal relationship with Christ. Not your corporate membership in a church.

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What happens if I commit a mortal sin? Does the corporate church know so that they can remove me from its membership...since they're apparently the final arbiter, right?

I submit to Christ and Christ alone as He is the way, truth and life. And no one comes to the Father except through Him.

Funny, He doesn't say through Him and his Church, rather Him alone.

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I'm going to Heaven... and I'm protestant.

Jesus paid my admission too.

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Oh? Well before you go, how bout you get your ass down to the corner store and get us another bottle of Ripple

"On my way, lieutenant Dan"

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techno-ag said:

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Fashionably Late said:

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BattleGrackle said:

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I don't t see how a nonbeliever could read this thread and not be drawn to Christ by the love and kindness show by all of the believers here.

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At least we're not blowing each other up anymore. That's progress, right? Catholics are always the first in these threads to shout that everyone but them is going to hell. Since I was a child they've been saying the same thing. The hardliners aren't even Christian imo. And the ones who deify the marxist/globalist Pope, certainly not.

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There is no salvation outside of the Church; which is the body of Christ. Membership in the body of Christ is what makes one a Christian, not SB 43 street og's discernment

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Alas you are mistaken. It's an individual thing based on your personal relationship with Christ. Not your corporate membership in a church.

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What happens if I commit a mortal sin? Does the corporate church know so that they can remove me from its membership...since they're apparently the final arbiter, right?

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By committing mortal sin you separate yourself from God and are outside the state of grace. The only way to restore life to your soul is through the sacrament of Penance.

Fashionably Late said:

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Marcus Brutus said:

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Fashionably Late said:

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Fashionably Late said:

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Fashionably Late said:

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The denomination doesn't matter, as long as it's Catholic. Communion is your personal relationship with Christ, where you eat his flesh and drink his blood, which requires a validly ordained priest.

The rest of your post is Protestant nonsense. The body of Christ is the Apostolic Church, not random one off believers reading the Sportsman's bible.

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Can you square this with John 3:16 for me please... TIA.

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Yes, Jesus Christ came to earth as both God and Man to repair the void between man and God created by the sin of Adam and Eve.

I think the problem you're having is the usage of the word "belief", which doesn't refer to some actual academic knowledge of him, but active participation in the Body of Christ, that is his Church, for unless you eat his body and drink his blood, you will not have life within you, same Gospel book, just a couple chapters further

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Transubstantiation falls apart when you think of where we get the practice of The Lord's Supper. It was in the Garden the night before Christ's capture while He and His disciples were taking part in the Passover meal. He passed around the bread and told them that it was his body and to take and eat it. Then He passed around the wine saying it was His blood. BUT, he never opened a vein to pour out his blood into the cup nor did he cut off his flesh to feed to the disciples. It was CLEARLY symbolism.

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Yea, it was so symbolic people left him in the bread of life dissertation thinking he was crazy, and he let them go, instead of telling them it was merely symbolic.

That and 1500 years of teachings and writings of the church fathers are in disagreement, but surely you've stumbled across something we haven't

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Because those idiots were probably thinking he was speaking literally like a cult leader and not symbolically, but with utmost importance. Communion is a mental and spiritual practice, much moreso than it is physical. But I realize you have been conditioned to always focus on the physical and routine aspects of everything as a catholic, prob since birth

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That's because as humans we are both flesh and spirit, not one or the other. Thinking we are mere spirits in flesh husks is the heresy of Gnosticism.

The people who left Christ utter the same things that modern Protestants do when confronted with the truth of Christ "this teaching is hard, who can accept it?"

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Yeah, that's why Paul said to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. He also questioned whether he was caught up into the third heaven in body or out. "Paul" was caught up, possibly without his body, which means that nothing that defines Paul is part of his body. Paul was a gnostic for sure.

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He's referring to being alive and dead. You cherry picked the passage

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So we are always of good courage; we know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. We are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord

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He's saying while we are alive we have to have faith, but would rather be in heaven and dead.

This again shows you the hazards of reading your without magisterial oversight

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Didn't cherry pick anything. Paul, the person Paul, clearly refers to himself in both passages as existing - completely existing - outside of a body. You moving the goal post doesn't change that. Your claim of gnosticism is bunk.

RebelE Infantry said:

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HowdyTAMU said:

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techno-ag said:

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Fashionably Late said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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BattleGrackle said:

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I don't t see how a nonbeliever could read this thread and not be drawn to Christ by the love and kindness show by all of the believers here.

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At least we're not blowing each other up anymore. That's progress, right? Catholics are always the first in these threads to shout that everyone but them is going to hell. Since I was a child they've been saying the same thing. The hardliners aren't even Christian imo. And the ones who deify the marxist/globalist Pope, certainly not.

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There is no salvation outside of the Church; which is the body of Christ. Membership in the body of Christ is what makes one a Christian, not SB 43 street og's discernment

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Alas you are mistaken. It's an individual thing based on your personal relationship with Christ. Not your corporate membership in a church.

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What happens if I commit a mortal sin? Does the corporate church know so that they can remove me from its membership...since they're apparently the final arbiter, right?

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By committing mortal sin you separate yourself from God and are outside the state of grace. The only way to restore life to your soul is through the sacrament of Penance.

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What if I get killed in a car wreck on the way to the confession?

Faustus said:

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Fashionably Late said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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BattleGrackle said:

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I don't t see how a nonbeliever could read this thread and not be drawn to Christ by the love and kindness show by all of the believers here.

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At least we're not blowing each other up anymore. That's progress, right? Catholics are always the first in these threads to shout that everyone but them is going to hell. Since I was a child they've been saying the same thing. The hardliners aren't even Christian imo. And the ones who deify the marxist/globalist Pope, certainly not.

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There is no salvation outside of the Church; which is the body of Christ. Membership in the body of Christ is what makes one a Christian, not SB 43 street og's discernment

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So looking to the word of wiki there are 2.38 billion Christians world wide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country

The largest denomination is the Catholic Church, with 1.3 billion baptized members. That means that 1 billion so people who think they're Christians are not in fact Christians, and are not saved? That's going to be a rude surprise.

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I think the orthodox are mostly saved as well.

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I don't t see how a nonbeliever could read this thread and not be drawn to Christ by the love and kindness show by all of the believers here.

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You have a point.

BUT . . .

Christians are just as susceptible to our human impulses as anyone else.

Every church on Sunday is filled with sinners that Christ has paid to make them saints.

They're still going to mess it up.

However, a real difference in a Christian life is not seen on a snapshot, like this thread, but in watching that life over a period of time. THERE'S where a Christain should begin to stand out from everyone else.

Expecting Christians to be perfect (not saying you are claiming that) is what the non-Christain uses as cherry picked proof that Christains are corrupt.

People serious about being like Jesus will agree; we are corrupt. At at any snapshot moment in our lives, we will look like the sinners we are. But it's not us, but HE WHO IS IN US, that makes us holy.

But this thread doesn't make me despair. We have different opinions, and it's good to be challenged.

And this thread does not disprove Christ's presence in his people anymore that yelling something at a football game that you regret later.

I love you all, "heathen" and "brother" alike.

Happy New Year, everyone.

HowdyTAMU said:

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Fashionably Late said:

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I'm not going to join in the Catholic v Protestant fight going on here, nothing makes Satan happier.

I will say though that I have never once stepped foot in a catholic church but know unequivocally that I have been saved by the Blood of Christ and am going to Heaven when I die. I have a personal relationship with Jesus that I try to advance daily though I fail all of the time.

Churches are dwindling only in the USA. They're exploding all over the rest of the World. This is because American Churches are chasing attendance by watering down scripture while non-American Churches are not.

Whenever Catholics and Protestants fight, it's always the same "you molest choir boys" vs. "Joel Osteen" nonsense that gets slung around. Jesus says in Heaven, there will be people from every tongue, tribe and nation present. I think this inclusivity contradicts the extreme exclusivity that some Catholics are promoting herein.

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The Catholic Church has adherents from every tongue tribe and nation. We are universal, as Christ's church was meant to be

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Does that make Muslims "universal" as well?

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The nicene creed states, one church, holy, catholic and apostolic. Let me know where Islam fits in

Marcus Brutus said:

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Fashionably Late said:

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Marcus Brutus said:

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Fashionably Late said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Fashionably Late said:

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A Net Full of Jello said:

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Fashionably Late said:

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Tom Doniphon said:

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The denomination doesn't matter, as long as it's Catholic. Communion is your personal relationship with Christ, where you eat his flesh and drink his blood, which requires a validly ordained priest.

The rest of your post is Protestant nonsense. The body of Christ is the Apostolic Church, not random one off believers reading the Sportsman's bible.

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Can you square this with John 3:16 for me please... TIA.

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Yes, Jesus Christ came to earth as both God and Man to repair the void between man and God created by the sin of Adam and Eve.

I think the problem you're having is the usage of the word "belief", which doesn't refer to some actual academic knowledge of him, but active participation in the Body of Christ, that is his Church, for unless you eat his body and drink his blood, you will not have life within you, same Gospel book, just a couple chapters further

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Transubstantiation falls apart when you think of where we get the practice of The Lord's Supper. It was in the Garden the night before Christ's capture while He and His disciples were taking part in the Passover meal. He passed around the bread and told them that it was his body and to take and eat it. Then He passed around the wine saying it was His blood. BUT, he never opened a vein to pour out his blood into the cup nor did he cut off his flesh to feed to the disciples. It was CLEARLY symbolism.

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Yea, it was so symbolic people left him in the bread of life dissertation thinking he was crazy, and he let them go, instead of telling them it was merely symbolic.

That and 1500 years of teachings and writings of the church fathers are in disagreement, but surely you've stumbled across something we haven't

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Because those idiots were probably thinking he was speaking literally like a cult leader and not symbolically, but with utmost importance. Communion is a mental and spiritual practice, much moreso than it is physical. But I realize you have been conditioned to always focus on the physical and routine aspects of everything as a catholic, prob since birth

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That's because as humans we are both flesh and spirit, not one or the other. Thinking we are mere spirits in flesh husks is the heresy of Gnosticism.

The people who left Christ utter the same things that modern Protestants do when confronted with the truth of Christ "this teaching is hard, who can accept it?"

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Yeah, that's why Paul said to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. He also questioned whether he was caught up into the third heaven in body or out. "Paul" was caught up, possibly without his body, which means that nothing that defines Paul is part of his body. Paul was a gnostic for sure.

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He's referring to being alive and dead. You cherry picked the passage

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So we are always of good courage; we know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. We are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord

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He's saying while we are alive we have to have faith, but would rather be in heaven and dead.

This again shows you the hazards of reading your without magisterial oversight

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Didn't cherry pick anything. Paul, the person Paul, clearly refers to himself in both passages as existing - completely existing - outside of a body. You moving the goal post doesn't change that. Your claim of gnosticism is bunk.

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Yes, when you are dead you are just spirit, until Christ comes again

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HowdyTAMU said:

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techno-ag said:

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Fashionably Late said:

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BattleGrackle said:

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I don't t see how a nonbeliever could read this thread and not be drawn to Christ by the love and kindness show by all of the believers here.

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At least we're not blowing each other up anymore. That's progress, right? Catholics are always the first in these threads to shout that everyone but them is going to hell. Since I was a child they've been saying the same thing. The hardliners aren't even Christian imo. And the ones who deify the marxist/globalist Pope, certainly not.

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There is no salvation outside of the Church; which is the body of Christ. Membership in the body of Christ is what makes one a Christian, not SB 43 street og's discernment

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Alas you are mistaken. It's an individual thing based on your personal relationship with Christ. Not your corporate membership in a church.

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What happens if I commit a mortal sin? Does the corporate church know so that they can remove me from its membership...since they're apparently the final arbiter, right?

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By committing mortal sin you separate yourself from God and are outside the state of grace. The only way to restore life to your soul is through the sacrament of Penance.

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Is that is the case, then the cross was inadequate. If any part of my salvation relies on anything I do, then Christ was not enough. See also Isaiah 64:6.

My guess is 7 more pages and 3 bans before this thread dies

Marcus Brutus said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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HowdyTAMU said:

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techno-ag said:

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Fashionably Late said:

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BattleGrackle said:

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I don't t see how a nonbeliever could read this thread and not be drawn to Christ by the love and kindness show by all of the believers here.

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At least we're not blowing each other up anymore. That's progress, right? Catholics are always the first in these threads to shout that everyone but them is going to hell. Since I was a child they've been saying the same thing. The hardliners aren't even Christian imo. And the ones who deify the marxist/globalist Pope, certainly not.

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There is no salvation outside of the Church; which is the body of Christ. Membership in the body of Christ is what makes one a Christian, not SB 43 street og's discernment

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Alas you are mistaken. It's an individual thing based on your personal relationship with Christ. Not your corporate membership in a church.

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What happens if I commit a mortal sin? Does the corporate church know so that they can remove me from its membership...since they're apparently the final arbiter, right?

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By committing mortal sin you separate yourself from God and are outside the state of grace. The only way to restore life to your soul is through the sacrament of Penance.

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What if I get killed in a car wreck on the way to the confession?

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This is a good question. In the end such judgements are up to God who is both perfectly just and merciful. In this example, if you have perfect contrition for your sin and have a firm purpose of amendment (shown by the effort to go to confession) it is possible for that mortal sin to be remitted.

The Baltimore Catechism:

Q. 765. What is perfect contrition?

A. Perfect contrition is that which fills us with sorrow and hatred for sin, because it offends God, who is infinitely good in himself and worthy of all love.

Q. 766. When will perfect contrition obtain pardon for mortal sin without the sacrament of penance?

A. Perfect contrition will obtain pardon for mortal sin without the sacrament of penance when we cannot go to confession, but with the perfect contrition we must have the intention of going to confession as soon as possible, if we again have the opportunity.

Marcus Brutus said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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HowdyTAMU said:

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techno-ag said:

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Fashionably Late said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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BattleGrackle said:

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I don't t see how a nonbeliever could read this thread and not be drawn to Christ by the love and kindness show by all of the believers here.

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At least we're not blowing each other up anymore. That's progress, right? Catholics are always the first in these threads to shout that everyone but them is going to hell. Since I was a child they've been saying the same thing. The hardliners aren't even Christian imo. And the ones who deify the marxist/globalist Pope, certainly not.

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There is no salvation outside of the Church; which is the body of Christ. Membership in the body of Christ is what makes one a Christian, not SB 43 street og's discernment

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Alas you are mistaken. It's an individual thing based on your personal relationship with Christ. Not your corporate membership in a church.

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What happens if I commit a mortal sin? Does the corporate church know so that they can remove me from its membership...since they're apparently the final arbiter, right?

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By committing mortal sin you separate yourself from God and are outside the state of grace. The only way to restore life to your soul is through the sacrament of Penance.

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What if I get killed in a car wreck on the way to the confession?

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Then you hope that your family members cared for you and have enough spare pocket change to bridge the gap between God's atoning sacrifice over 99.9% of your sin and your residual (infinite) separation from perfection.

I agree with most of your second sentence except for one word.

In the end ALL judgements are up to God who is both perfectly just and merciful.

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I agree with most of your second sentence except for one word.

In the end ALL judgements are up to God who is both perfectly just and merciful.

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This is of course correct in the general sense.

I was referring to the "grey area" case, whereas the Church teaches that one who dies in an unrepentant state of mortal sin is damned. Likewise one who obtains the crown of martyrdom in defense of the Faith is granted immediate entry into the Heavenly Kingdom.

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HowdyTAMU said:

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techno-ag said:

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Fashionably Late said:

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BattleGrackle said:

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I don't t see how a nonbeliever could read this thread and not be drawn to Christ by the love and kindness show by all of the believers here.

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At least we're not blowing each other up anymore. That's progress, right? Catholics are always the first in these threads to shout that everyone but them is going to hell. Since I was a child they've been saying the same thing. The hardliners aren't even Christian imo. And the ones who deify the marxist/globalist Pope, certainly not.

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There is no salvation outside of the Church; which is the body of Christ. Membership in the body of Christ is what makes one a Christian, not SB 43 street og's discernment

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Alas you are mistaken. It's an individual thing based on your personal relationship with Christ. Not your corporate membership in a church.

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What happens if I commit a mortal sin? Does the corporate church know so that they can remove me from its membership...since they're apparently the final arbiter, right?

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By committing mortal sin you separate yourself from God and are outside the state of grace. The only way to restore life to your soul is through the sacrament of Penance.

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Salvation is by grace alone through belief in Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. If you start adding to what is needed for salvation (committing certain acts), it dilutes the saving power of Christ and His death and Resurrection. It is no longer grace by Christ that saves you but that along with person things you need to do.

Now, we can get into the reasons and importance of those certain acts as a believer, but then we are talking about the process of sanctification rather than the one time act of justification.

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My guess is 7 more pages and 3 bans before this thread dies

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The feud went nine pages in September, and included an education about indulgences and simony.

We're not there yet.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3227787/1

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Sounds like protestant nonsense but ok

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Protestant nonsense? You mean nonsense like the Vatican looking the other way for decades while their clergy sexually abused thousands of children? Or did you mean more like when the current pope said 'who am I to judge?' when asked about homosexuality?

You mean that level of nonsense?

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That there are depraved reprobates inside Holy Mother Church does not in one way diminish what I said. The protestant revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for humanity.

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Go fall off the planet.

No

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RebelE Infantry said:

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HowdyTAMU said:

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techno-ag said:

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Fashionably Late said:

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BattleGrackle said:

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I don't t see how a nonbeliever could read this thread and not be drawn to Christ by the love and kindness show by all of the believers here.

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At least we're not blowing each other up anymore. That's progress, right? Catholics are always the first in these threads to shout that everyone but them is going to hell. Since I was a child they've been saying the same thing. The hardliners aren't even Christian imo. And the ones who deify the marxist/globalist Pope, certainly not.

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There is no salvation outside of the Church; which is the body of Christ. Membership in the body of Christ is what makes one a Christian, not SB 43 street og's discernment

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Alas you are mistaken. It's an individual thing based on your personal relationship with Christ. Not your corporate membership in a church.

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What happens if I commit a mortal sin? Does the corporate church know so that they can remove me from its membership...since they're apparently the final arbiter, right?

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By committing mortal sin you separate yourself from God and are outside the state of grace. The only way to restore life to your soul is through the sacrament of Penance.

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Salvation is by grace alone through belief in Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. If you start adding to what is needed for salvation (committing certain acts), it dilutes the saving power of Christ and His death and Resurrection. It is no longer grace by Christ that saves you but that along with person things you need to do.

Now, we can get into the reasons and importance of those certain acts as a believer, but then we are talking about the process of sanctification rather than the one time act of justification.

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Well stated.

A quick review of the NCCs press releases is a bit enlightening:

https://nationalcouncilofchurches.us/topics/statements/

They like the Build Back Better Plan!

Fashionably Late said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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BattleGrackle said:

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I don't t see how a nonbeliever could read this thread and not be drawn to Christ by the love and kindness show by all of the believers here.

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At least we're not blowing each other up anymore. That's progress, right? Catholics are always the first in these threads to shout that everyone but them is going to hell. Since I was a child they've been saying the same thing. The hardliners aren't even Christian imo. And the ones who deify the marxist/globalist Pope, certainly not.

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There is no salvation outside of the Church; which is the body of Christ. Membership in the body of Christ is what makes one a Christian, not SB 43 street og's discernment

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Sure thing boss. Jesus and every apostle would surely disagree. Zero of them were Catholic.

SpreadsheetAg said:

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My guess is 7 more pages and 3 bans before this thread dies

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Its going great. No hate like Christian love.

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BattleGrackle said:

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I don't t see how a nonbeliever could read this thread and not be drawn to Christ by the love and kindness show by all of the believers here.

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You have a point.

BUT . . .

Christians are just as susceptible to our human impulses as anyone else.

Every church on Sunday is filled with sinners that Christ has paid to make them saints.

They're still going to mess it up.

However, a real difference in a Christian life is not seen on a snapshot, like this thread, but in watching that life over a period of time. THERE'S where a Christain should begin to stand out from everyone else.

Expecting Christians to be perfect (not saying you are claiming that) is what the non-Christain uses as cherry picked proof that Christains are corrupt.

People serious about being like Jesus will agree; we are corrupt. At at any snapshot moment in our lives, we will look like the sinners we are. But it's not us, but HE WHO IS IN US, that makes us holy.

But this thread doesn't make me despair. We have different opinions, and it's good to be challenged.

And this thread does not disprove Christ's presence in his people anymore that yelling something at a football game that you regret later.

I love you all, "heathen" and "brother" alike.

Happy New Year, everyone.

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Preach the gospel at all times.... and use words if necessary!

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RebelE Infantry said:

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Sounds like protestant nonsense but ok

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Protestant nonsense? You mean nonsense like the Vatican looking the other way for decades while their clergy sexually abused thousands of children? Or did you mean more like when the current pope said 'who am I to judge?' when asked about homosexuality?

You mean that level of nonsense?

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One is institutional. A man made institution. One we all acknowledge is fallable.

This Protestant nonsense is trying to rewrite the Bible. I'm sure you can see the difference.

SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Fashionably Late said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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BattleGrackle said:

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I don't t see how a nonbeliever could read this thread and not be drawn to Christ by the love and kindness show by all of the believers here.

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At least we're not blowing each other up anymore. That's progress, right? Catholics are always the first in these threads to shout that everyone but them is going to hell. Since I was a child they've been saying the same thing. The hardliners aren't even Christian imo. And the ones who deify the marxist/globalist Pope, certainly not.

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There is no salvation outside of the Church; which is the body of Christ. Membership in the body of Christ is what makes one a Christian, not SB 43 street og's discernment

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Sure thing boss. Jesus and every apostle would surely disagree. Zero of them were Catholic.

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That's absurd. Again. You don't know what you're talking about. You're the flat earth Society of Christianity.

Fashionably Late said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Fashionably Late said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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BattleGrackle said:

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I don't t see how a nonbeliever could read this thread and not be drawn to Christ by the love and kindness show by all of the believers here.

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At least we're not blowing each other up anymore. That's progress, right? Catholics are always the first in these threads to shout that everyone but them is going to hell. Since I was a child they've been saying the same thing. The hardliners aren't even Christian imo. And the ones who deify the marxist/globalist Pope, certainly not.

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There is no salvation outside of the Church; which is the body of Christ. Membership in the body of Christ is what makes one a Christian, not SB 43 street og's discernment

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Sure thing boss. Jesus and every apostle would surely disagree. Zero of them were Catholic.

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That's absurd. Again. You don't know what you're talking about. You're the flat earth Society of Christianity.

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LOL ok

I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.

Tom Doniphon said:

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I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.

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"Feed my sheep, and then let them read the Bible and come to their own conclusions and splinter into millions of contrarian sects"