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Salvation Army issues alert, donations have dropped substantially
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Last: 2 yr ago by Ag_of_08
I've been saddened by this whole damn situation, and I'm not really sure it's fixable.
There are plenty of true believers in the lower and mid ranks of The Salvation Army -- the kind of people who believe that by giving a down-on-his-luck hungry man a warm meal or a place to spend the night that you just might make him receptive to hearing the Gospel that will save his eternal soul. 'Salvation', if you will.
I know those folks exist, because for a number of years my company supplied a specialty product to their Emergency Disaster Services division and I had the opportunity to actually meet the front line workers face to face. Almost to a man, they were some of the biggest-hearted people I had ever met. Much more so than I am, in fact. Maybe even to their own detriment, I might add.
That said, I also know in the past several years that they've come under tremendous pressure from gay rights organizations because they actually believe what the Bible says about homosexual acts. Their policy was never to deny helping those folks, but they did require their members to be celebate if they did have same sex attraction.
Of course, that belief is now considered hate speech and is worthy of cancellation.
As a result, not only has pressure been exerted on the organization itself to change its policies, but pressure has been applied to many of the larger traditional donors to The Salvation Army not to donate unless they change their 'old fashioned' ways.
I suspect that not only has that pressure worked to reduce donations, it has also worked to introduce changes into the leadership of the national Salvation Army. What we saw in these latest pronouncements that cost The Salvation Army so much goodwill is the poison fruit of that new leadership.
As an enemy, you really couldn't have scripted it any better. Why tear down an organization from the outside when you can just infect its upper leadership with folks who have an agenda other than that which defined the organization in its beginning?
Can you see any parallels in other areas today? I can -- namely many of our old denominational Christian churches and also our country itself. I'd like to think some of these are fixable, but maybe I'm naive.
There are plenty of true believers in the lower and mid ranks of The Salvation Army -- the kind of people who believe that by giving a down-on-his-luck hungry man a warm meal or a place to spend the night that you just might make him receptive to hearing the Gospel that will save his eternal soul. 'Salvation', if you will.
I know those folks exist, because for a number of years my company supplied a specialty product to their Emergency Disaster Services division and I had the opportunity to actually meet the front line workers face to face. Almost to a man, they were some of the biggest-hearted people I had ever met. Much more so than I am, in fact. Maybe even to their own detriment, I might add.
That said, I also know in the past several years that they've come under tremendous pressure from gay rights organizations because they actually believe what the Bible says about homosexual acts. Their policy was never to deny helping those folks, but they did require their members to be celebate if they did have same sex attraction.
Of course, that belief is now considered hate speech and is worthy of cancellation.
As a result, not only has pressure been exerted on the organization itself to change its policies, but pressure has been applied to many of the larger traditional donors to The Salvation Army not to donate unless they change their 'old fashioned' ways.
I suspect that not only has that pressure worked to reduce donations, it has also worked to introduce changes into the leadership of the national Salvation Army. What we saw in these latest pronouncements that cost The Salvation Army so much goodwill is the poison fruit of that new leadership.
As an enemy, you really couldn't have scripted it any better. Why tear down an organization from the outside when you can just infect its upper leadership with folks who have an agenda other than that which defined the organization in its beginning?
Can you see any parallels in other areas today? I can -- namely many of our old denominational Christian churches and also our country itself. I'd like to think some of these are fixable, but maybe I'm naive.
I bet Bill Clinton will make you eat those words. I am sure he will come up with another pair of used underwear to help the SA. Maybe even two !!A Net Full of Jello said:
Maybe all those self-loathing white liberals will pick up the slack. They love to preach about generosity and taking care of others. Surely they will be leading that charge, right?
#FJB
I usually "Rock the Kettle" and perform out front acoustically for a couple days each Christmas season. I emailed them a couple weeks ago after this came out that they are racist, should apologize fully, terminate anyone involved in race based hate - and then I'll be happy to come back and make them money for free.
User name checks out.
Layne Staley said:
I usually "Rock the Kettle" and perform out front acoustically for a couple days each Christmas season. I emailed them a couple weeks ago after this came out that they are racist, should apologize fully, terminate anyone involved in race based hate - and then I'll be happy to come back and make them money for free.
Not another dime until then!
No Spin Ag said:
It's a shame that families have to suffer because of the actions of others. I'm sure they couldn't care less who was giving or why, or why the help stopped.
So much for the Christmas spirit, or Jesus being the reason for the season.
This is why my time and money went to our local Blue Santa. 100% of the donations go to local families in need. It also helps build better relationships between the police and a high risk segment of the population.
The Salvation Army does great work.
What is crazy about this is that the ideology which drove their leadership to issue the woke manifesto will view a drop in donations as proof they were right. You see, objecting to CRT is evidence of white fragility, and white fragility is evidence of racism.
It's a fun circle. You call me racist. If I object you laugh, "Ha! See! Racist!"
What is crazy about this is that the ideology which drove their leadership to issue the woke manifesto will view a drop in donations as proof they were right. You see, objecting to CRT is evidence of white fragility, and white fragility is evidence of racism.
It's a fun circle. You call me racist. If I object you laugh, "Ha! See! Racist!"
It is a shame that people have to "investigate" "charitable" organizations, but that is reality these days. So many are bloated in their "overhead" vs "giving" aspect.No Spin Ag said:C@LAg said:they are a bloated , bureaucratic org with too much admin costs.No Spin Ag said:
It's a shame that families have to suffer because of the actions of others. I'm sure they couldn't care less who was giving or why, or why the help stopped.
So much for the Christmas spirit, or Jesus being the reason for the season.
many, much better local charities around if you look for them.
I will, and thanks for the idea. What gets me about them is they've always seemed to want to cater to one group of people to get donations from, and now are wanting to switch , without taking into consideration of how they should do it to not alienate the ones who've been with them forever.
Honestly I'm too the point where I'll just look for people in need on my own and help them out that way because it seems like every organization has an angle and a political leaning, and the truly needy shouldn't be affected by the idiocy of a few.
I'm a fan of local food banks, although I'm sure others on here will call them out for the amount of recipient fraud that goes on.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
FYI as a former Salvation Army employee, I can tell you that while the Salvation Army is indeed frugal, they have hundreds or millions of dollars in assets including land and facilities and they also have self sustaining funds and endowments setup as well. If you don't believe me, look up the recent sale of their 2000+ acres of the Hi-View ranch near Midlothian that netted the Texas division of the SA an incredible windfall.
Their donations are down because they played race and cultural politics. Period. My friends who are officers and soldiers in the SA have confirmed this.
The SA does not want to have to divert financial and other asset holdings to meet their budgets at their churches, divisions, and regional offices. They are not hurting as far as their ability to provide services to the poor. It's just a matter of not sitting on their funds and endowments without withdrawing from them to fill the gap in funding from
Donations this year.
It is important to note that while you and I may not choose to give to the SA because of their woke statements and behavior, there are many rank and file SA soldiers and bell ringers who honestly have no clue about any of this. So please don't take it out on them.
Their donations are down because they played race and cultural politics. Period. My friends who are officers and soldiers in the SA have confirmed this.
The SA does not want to have to divert financial and other asset holdings to meet their budgets at their churches, divisions, and regional offices. They are not hurting as far as their ability to provide services to the poor. It's just a matter of not sitting on their funds and endowments without withdrawing from them to fill the gap in funding from
Donations this year.
It is important to note that while you and I may not choose to give to the SA because of their woke statements and behavior, there are many rank and file SA soldiers and bell ringers who honestly have no clue about any of this. So please don't take it out on them.
This is the progressive's method for corrupting everything. Don't just stop at religious institutions; schools, corporations, sports leagues, charities, everything. Infiltrate and corrupt. Like a disease.Ribeye-Rare said:
Can you see any parallels in other areas today? I can -- namely many of our old denominational Christian churches and also our country itself. I'd like to think some of these are fixable, but maybe I'm naive.
The Salvation Army is good people, they made a mistake. As the great great grandson of William McIntyre I thought I'd post the origin story of the Kettle
https://centralusa.salvationarmy.org/Niles/news/the-origin-of-the-salvation-army-red-kettle/
https://centralusa.salvationarmy.org/Niles/news/the-origin-of-the-salvation-army-red-kettle/
it was not a mistake. it was intentional.Spaceball 1 said:
The Salvation Army is good people, they made a mistake. As the great great grandson of William McIntyre I thought I'd post the origin story of the Kettle
https://centralusa.salvationarmy.org/Niles/news/the-origin-of-the-salvation-army-red-kettle/
they created freaking training information to support it.
just another bloated, corrupt, base, compromised institution.
Every Christmas my girls pick out names from the Angel Tree here in BCS and pick out gifts for those kids. It's a tradition we have as a family and teaches my girls that others aren't as fortunate as we are and that we need to appreciate all we have been blessed with. Though I was pissed by the actions of the SA leadership, we still will do that and give to the kettle. I believe as posters stated above there are good people in the trenches for them and I won't punish those in need. But I have let the people who need to know that I am not happy with their BS and they need to fix it.
We'll win this war, but we'll win it only by fighting and by showing the Germans that we've got more guts than they have, or ever will have. We're not going to just shoot the sons-of-b******, were going to rip out their living G*******d guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy Hun c********** by the bushel-f****** basket. War is a bloody killing business. You've got to spill their blood or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shot them in the guts.
Cloward-Piven and it's paying off for the left in massive dividends the last couple of years. Infest and destroy.
It really does suck for the lower level folks who have no say or don't realize what's happening, but I won't be volunteering with them anymore like I have in the past.
It really does suck for the lower level folks who have no say or don't realize what's happening, but I won't be volunteering with them anymore like I have in the past.
I will never understand why organizations completely unnecessarily dive into the social/cultural battles. Incredibly stupid.
If it was a mistake as you say, they would have already apologized. Instead they just claimed that all of us racists simply misunderstood their document. No doubt there are many good people involved with the organization. But so long as their leadership puts out hateful, racist, anti-white material they won't see another dime from me. Lots of other good local charities I can shift my donations towards.Spaceball 1 said:
The Salvation Army is good people, they made a mistake. As the great great grandson of William McIntyre I thought I'd post the origin story of the Kettle
https://centralusa.salvationarmy.org/Niles/news/the-origin-of-the-salvation-army-red-kettle/
agsalaska said:
I will never understand why organizations completely unnecessarily dive into the social/cultural battles. Incredibly stupid.
Because a lot of leftists are employees of those organizations.
The RACIST dicks can suck on one for all I care. You put out this crap about CRT and telling white people to bend over backwards to somehow lie and admit we're all evil and racist? What the hell did you expect to happen you self destructing ****holes? White people are probably your biggest donors and you piss in our faces and expect us to appreciate the attention?ElKabong said:
Go woke get broke
Salvation Army issues alert, donations have dropped substantially
"There are many reasons why both financial and toy donations are down this year, not the least of which is likely pandemic fatigue and concerns about employment and the future," said Colonel Cindy Foley of the NW Salvation Army Division. "We are actually trying to provide food, shelter, toys and clothing to double the number of families we served last Christmas, and in the midst of the growing need we are seeing fewer people donating at our virtual and physical kettles."
Not only is the nonprofit organization short on donations, they also are in desperate need of bell ringers to staff the red kettles seen at businesses around the country.
"The situation is dire, and we are asking our generous supporters in the region to donate to the virtual Northwest Red Kettle as well as make donations at every physical kettle in whatever way you can."
FSA and FJB!
Given how much we spend on local taxes, property taxes, fees for services, fees for licenses, federal taxes, fica taxes and mix in inflation it doesn't surprise me.
I don't donate because I already do.
I don't donate because I already do.
Same here. I have donated whenever I run across one of the kettles. No more. NO MORE.zoneag said:If it was a mistake as you say, they would have already apologized. Instead they just claimed that all of us racists simply misunderstood their document. No doubt there are many good people involved with the organization. But so long as their leadership puts out hateful, racist, anti-white material they won't see another dime from me. Lots of other good local charities I can shift my donations towards.Spaceball 1 said:
The Salvation Army is good people, they made a mistake. As the great great grandson of William McIntyre I thought I'd post the origin story of the Kettle
https://centralusa.salvationarmy.org/Niles/news/the-origin-of-the-salvation-army-red-kettle/
This whole diatribe against whites the country over will not go well for these people seeking our donations.
They need to REALLY wake up and quit living in unicorn fart land.
And shareholders (for public companies) demand it.CCP Joe Veggie said:agsalaska said:
I will never understand why organizations completely unnecessarily dive into the social/cultural battles. Incredibly stupid.
Because a lot of leftists are employees of those organizations.
Screw them. They are not the same organization as they were back in the day. They're just living off the name and have a bunch of young communists working for them.Spaceball 1 said:
The Salvation Army is good people, they made a mistake. As the great great grandson of William McIntyre I thought I'd post the origin story of the Kettle
https://centralusa.salvationarmy.org/Niles/news/the-origin-of-the-salvation-army-red-kettle/
They need to "Build Back Better," as the perverted and demented Joe Biden says.
Maybe then they'll start getting donations back on track.
AgResearch said:
Maybe they should apologize to all of us for their racist group-think. Then and only then would I remotely consider giving them another dime.
And gut the leadership responsible for going woke!
That honor goes to the Party of Slavery... obviouslypolicywonk98 said:
Newsflash.
Conservatives aren't racists.
That's a shame...
I went to the site the OP posted and printed out the "One White Apology" sheet. The next time I see a kettle, I will drop one in.
No, they made a decision!!! Now they get to live with the consequences of that decision.Spaceball 1 said:
The Salvation Army is good people, they made a mistake. As the great great grandson of William McIntyre I thought I'd post the origin story of the Kettle
https://centralusa.salvationarmy.org/Niles/news/the-origin-of-the-salvation-army-red-kettle/
Literally not even a peso
FairCCP Joe Veggie said:agsalaska said:
I will never understand why organizations completely unnecessarily dive into the social/cultural battles. Incredibly stupid.
Because a lot of leftists are employees of those organizations.
f'em. Not another cent to them.
Yea me neither. I usually drop quite a bit of loose change and bills for about a month into those red cans. Not this year.StonewallAggieDEFENSE said:
f'em. Not another cent to them.
Then they can put on their gravestones that "they were right" for this is the same as cutting off your nose to spite your face.Fightin TX Aggie said:
The Salvation Army does great work.
What is crazy about this is that the ideology which drove their leadership to issue the woke manifesto will view a drop in donations as proof they were right. You see, objecting to CRT is evidence of white fragility, and white fragility is evidence of racism.
It's a fun circle. You call me racist. If I object you laugh, "Ha! See! Racist!"
I've always wondered to what degree a few woke hires can ruin an otherwise good organization's reputation. Maybe Salvation Army is rotten to the core, or maybe they just picked the wrong people to represent them.
Blue star for the aboveFightin TX Aggie said:
The Salvation Army does great work.
What is crazy about this is that the ideology which drove their leadership to issue the woke manifesto will view a drop in donations as proof they were right. You see, objecting to CRT is evidence of white fragility, and white fragility is evidence of racism.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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