MEENAGGIE09 said:

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Opinion Article

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"I see too many uneasy parallels between what was happening nearly 200 years ago and what is happening now. I see this country on the verge of another civil war, as the Calhounian impulse is reborn.
There are enormous, obvious differences, of course. The civil war I see is not the kind that would leave hundreds of thousands of young men dead in combat."

"That is not to say that we aren't seeing spates of violence but rather that this new war will be fought in courts, statehouses and ballot boxes, rather than in the fields."

"And this war won't be only about the subjugation of Black people but also about the subjugation of all who challenge the white racist patriarchy."

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Wow. This is trash.

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At least this is properly titled as an opinion piece/editorial. The author is completely fair to have that opinion although I disagree. Other countries would need to step in with something more concrete than human rights sanctions. Iran is reportedly going to file human rights sanctions against the U.S. over it's unfair and racial policing of blacks. This would be a small step in the continued fight for racial equality. We could still be many years away but it's refreshing to see other counties start to acknowledge and take a stand against these human and civil rights issues that have been going on here for far too long.

UTExan said:

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lb3 said:

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Author is an idiot:

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Can they make the case that all that the Constitution has not explicitly spelled out should be reserved for the states?

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That is exactly what the Constitution says.

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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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ETA: Salt Lake Tribune is running the same OpEd with no paywall: https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2021/12/13/charles-m-blow-were/

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The author is Charles M Blow whose past articles lead me to believe he is a crypto- black separatist. It is his stock and trade.

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Is related to Kurtis Blow - one of the grandfathers of rap music?

MuchosPollos said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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MuchosPollos said:

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Their downfall will be mistaking patience for weakness......

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Nah. As long as conservatives have a job to go to, they'll be patient.

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Our patience....not theirs. The redlines are approaching quickly. Those in power push on them daily.

There will be a moment when all of this flips on its head. I'm not making any predictions on what the moment will be but when the ballon goes up then the world will never be the same.


If I had to place money down, I'd bet that the moment happens overseas and we all get caught up in the aftermath. The vast majority of our fellow Americans are way too stupid, lazy, greedy, immature, and passive to do anything about what we are facing.

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Tend to agree with this. Feels like something in the EU is going to break before it does here.

YouBet said:

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UTExan said:

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lb3 said:

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Author is an idiot:

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Can they make the case that all that the Constitution has not explicitly spelled out should be reserved for the states?

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That is exactly what the Constitution says.

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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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ETA: Salt Lake Tribune is running the same OpEd with no paywall: https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2021/12/13/charles-m-blow-were/

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The author is Charles M Blow whose past articles lead me to believe he is a crypto- black separatist. It is his stock and trade.

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Is related to Kurtis Blow - one of the grandfathers of rap music?

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Came here to post this!

NavyAg92 said:

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Trust me, the liberals don't want a civil war. It will not end well for them. It will be swift and fast and a lot of lives will be lost on their side that could've been avoided.

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We hear this line a lot but how many leftists are going to don uniforms line up 50 abreast and march into cannon fire? Answer: Zero.

How many people are actually going to invade their neighbor's home who's funny looking kid plays with your daughter and kill their parents just because they had a Biden sign in their yard? Answer: Not enough to matter.

The best hope is that the courts rediscover the 10th amendment and everyone just up and moves their families to the states that best align with their values.

MEENAGGIE09 said:

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Opinion Article

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"I see too many uneasy parallels between what was happening nearly 200 years ago and what is happening now. I see this country on the verge of another civil war, as the Calhounian impulse is reborn.
There are enormous, obvious differences, of course. The civil war I see is not the kind that would leave hundreds of thousands of young men dead in combat."

"That is not to say that we aren't seeing spates of violence but rather that this new war will be fought in courts, statehouses and ballot boxes, rather than in the fields."

"And this war won't be only about the subjugation of Black people but also about the subjugation of all who challenge the white racist patriarchy."

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Wow.

This is trash.

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3 points:

1. Charles Blow blows. Duh.

2. But, Charles Blow is correct that we are racing towards civil war 2.....

3. Yet.... .Charles Blow seems incapable of and unwilling to accept that it is the left, corporatist, cultural Marxist establishment that is pushing us to that point. It is the left that has authored and endorsed every moralistic perversion that plagues this nation. It is the left that supports prosecution of and trial outcomes based on the accused political beliefs. It is the left that weaponizes media lies and conspiracy against the right (i.e. Russia Collusion, January 6 'insurrection' and other b.s. It is the left that silences dissent and crushes individual expression. Charles Blow only need to look in a mirror to see who is responsible for this buildup on animus that may indeed propel us off the cliff that is civil war.

Tim Pool's take on Charles Blow's column:

TheEternalPessimist said:

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MEENAGGIE09 said:

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... Charles Blow seems incapable of and unwilling to accept that it is the left, corporatist, cultural Marxist establishment that is pushing us to that point.

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This is why I always shake my head when someone complains about the social engineering/gaslighting that is so prevalent in commercials today and people respond with, "Who watches commercials any more?" or "Well, just turn off your TV."

The reality is that there are millions of Americans who watch commercials or see other advertising -- along with TV and movies -- and they are finally opening their eyes to what is in front of them. They are seeing exactly what Madison Avenue/Hollywood and corporate America are aiming for, and it's not favorable to them.

You can't just ignore this stuff or pretend it isn't happening. The woke left is creating a massive division in this country that won't end well.

YouBet said:

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Tend to agree with this. Feels like something in the EU is going to break before it does here.

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My money's on France. They are due for a liberty minded revolution.

lb3 said:

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NavyAg92 said:

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Trust me, the liberals don't want a civil war. It will not end well for them. It will be swift and fast and a lot of lives will be lost on their side that could've been avoided.

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We hear this line a lot but how many leftists are going to don uniforms line up 50 abreast and march into cannon fire? Answer: Zero.

How many people are actually going to invade their neighbor's home who's funny looking kid plays with your daughter and kill their parents just because they had a Biden sign in their yard? Answer: Not enough to matter.

The best hope is that the courts rediscover the 10th amendment and everyone just up and moves their families to the states that best align with their values.

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I agree but the problem (and i said this the other day) is that the blue states won't leave the red states alone. We could reallocate the population like this and they would still do whatever they could to hinder us living free because they are autocratic meddlers who can't stand for someone else to be different than them.

Meanwhile, we just want to be left the hell alone. It might work for a time but they would try to destroy us eventually through indirect means in whatever way they could.

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I am talking about our (conservative's) patience. We elected a president with the most votes in history for a republican candidate and the libs stole it from us while we all watched it happen.

American citizens were the last line of defense. If we're going to be 'patient' while our country has been stolen from us then conservatives will be patient all the way to the gulags.

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It seems to be going that way doesn't it.


What do you think Jefferson was talking about in the Declaration of Independence? What do you think his level of patience was?

"Prudence, indeed will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government"



Right now, people aren't there yet. Stock market is roaring, housing prices continue to rise, everyone has the ability to put food on the table (via a job or govt assistance), entertainment is everywhere, their financial advisors tell them to buy the dips and everything will be ok.... Life is good compared to the third world.



IMO patience runs out when people have nothing else to lose. We aren't there yet.

God save the state? Please leave this country. You don't deserve it.

Proc92 said:

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God save the state? Please leave this country. You don't deserve it.

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I was most likely here before you. You go first. BTW, I had family on both sides of the Civil War as did other families. Get over it.

MuchosPollos said:

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I am talking about our (conservative's) patience. We elected a president with the most votes in history for a republican candidate and the libs stole it from us while we all watched it happen.

American citizens were the last line of defense. If we're going to be 'patient' while our country has been stolen from us then conservatives will be patient all the way to the gulags.

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It seems to be going that way doesn't it.


What do you think Jefferson was talking about in the Declaration of Independence? What do you think his level of patience was?

"Prudence, indeed will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government"



Right now, people aren't there yet. Stock market is roaring, housing prices continue to rise, everyone has the ability to put food on the table (via a job or govt assistance), entertainment is everywhere, their financial advisors tell them to buy the dips and everything will be ok.... Life is good compared to the third world.



IMO patience runs out when people have nothing else to lose. We aren't there yet.

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If we can't have free and fair elections then where we are is 'no taxation without representation' among many other things. If we have to wait until we're Venezuela before people act, then that says a lot about who Americans really are.

The fact that we did absolutely nothing about a stolen election and fraudulent President tells you that we are too lazy and comfortable for a civil war.

Whatchatalkinbout? We had a major insurrection.