You think Putin actually backs down if he is still in power?
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aggiehawg said:
You think Putin actually backs down if he is still in power?
Only if he's forced to, by one means or another. He won't stop as long as he feels he has an opportunity to salvage victory, IMO. And even then he'll attempt to negotiate a victory.
I don't follow this nearly as close as you, but I think any peace agreement will require the lifting of sanctions immediately. Do you think we're willing to do that?
And now for something completely different.
In 2010, charity event for a children's hospital.
In 2010, charity event for a children's hospital.
So Putin can just walk away from tens of thousands of deaths and hundreds of billions of damage to Ukraine? No.ProgN said:
I don't follow this nearly as close as you, but I think any peace agreement will require the lifting of sanctions immediately. Do you think we're willing to do that?
and what price do you put on the civilian victims of this atrocity?ProgN said:
I don't follow this nearly as close as you, but I think any peace agreement will require the lifting of sanctions immediately. Do you think we're willing to do that?
https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/u5oijv/mariupol_is_the_heart_of_this_war_zelensky_poor/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/u5nsu3/kharkiv_yesterday_april_16_2022_the_aftermath_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/u5kv0m/borodianka_today/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
I could share link after link after link.....**** russia.
**** russell bently....I won't mourn his demise.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/u5o56g/russell_bentlys_video_from_mariupol_today/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/u5o56g/russell_bentlys_video_from_mariupol_today/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
JFABNRGR said:and what price do you put on the civilian victims of this atrocity?ProgN said:
I don't follow this nearly as close as you, but I think any peace agreement will require the lifting of sanctions immediately. Do you think we're willing to do that?
https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/u5oijv/mariupol_is_the_heart_of_this_war_zelensky_poor/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/u5nsu3/kharkiv_yesterday_april_16_2022_the_aftermath_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/u5kv0m/borodianka_today/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
I could share link after link after link.....**** russia.
Any agreement beyond and ends with Russia leaving and making restitution. Sanctions don't end until aggression is completely halted, meaning all Russian forces withdraw to their home bases and all Ukrainians are returned to Ukraine.
Another photo of the #Moskva pic.twitter.com/pvx7UFigSp
— 🅰🅻🅴🆁🆃 🅲🅷🅰🅽🅽🅴🅻 (@AlertChannel) April 17, 2022
ETA: To compare.
Wow!
That be the ship
Looks like a strike amidships that hit the P1000 tubes and one aft just forward of the helipad (or that's scorching from a fire). She didn't sink in minutes, and maybe they rescued a fair number of the crew, but that vessel was definitely ****ed up.
Also looks like a pretty serious fire below decks. You can see scorch marks where it was coming out where the hull meets the upper deck. Kind of doubting the entire crew made it out.
Also looks like a pretty serious fire below decks. You can see scorch marks where it was coming out where the hull meets the upper deck. Kind of doubting the entire crew made it out.
Putin would give you the entire crew x a lot to have his ship back.
That's crazy how much damage there is to the bow of the ship!aggiehawg said:
ETA: To compare.
Wow!
You do know the top pic is the stern and the bottom is the bow, right?
He was a dip**** dumbass 30+ years ago and he hasn't changed. He has shamed his family, good and wonderful people, and betrayed his country, a country he once swore to protect. Bonner is an inflamed ego manic that is a self appointed intellectual. He has F'ed up everything he has ever touched or been around.JFABNRGR said:
**** russell bently....I won't mourn his demise.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/u5o56g/russell_bentlys_video_from_mariupol_today/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Alligator mouth and hummingbird ass. GD loser in life, had everything always handed to him and ended up an alcoholic inflated dipsheet in the butthole of mother Russia.
RGV AG said:He was a dip**** dumbass 30+ years ago and he hasn't changed. He has shamed his family, good and wonderful people, and betrayed his country, a country he once swore to protect. Bonner is an inflamed ego manic that is a self appointed intellectual. He has F'ed up everything he has ever touched or been around.JFABNRGR said:
**** russell bently....I won't mourn his demise.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/u5o56g/russell_bentlys_video_from_mariupol_today/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Alligator mouth and hummingbird ass. GD loser in life, had everything always handed to him and ended up an alcoholic inflated dipsheet in the butthole of mother Russia.
https://www.newsweek.com/russell-texas-bentley-interview-pro-russia-donbas-ukraine-1684450
His parents used to own the "The Pantry & Grill Room" on SPI, in Franke Plaza where Gabriella's is now. I waited tables and bartended for them in 80's and worked with Bonner, that is what he goes by or did, then. He was a major doper, his brother had to leave the island after dropping dime on some semi connected people from Matamoros.
His parents were really good people, his mom died several years ago and she babied Bonner and was always helping him outta bad spots. He got popped running large amounts of weed for the guys, his name was Jack I can't remember the last name but he had the dune buggy rental place in Laguna Heights. Bonner never turned on anyone and was a fugitive for years. He has always had substance abuse issues and from looking at him he is hitting the vodka hard. He is a hamm that always wants the spotlight and to be fawned over, he is the most opposite of communist that I have ever known.
https://www.newsweek.com/ceo-henry-mcinnis-gets-15-years-lying-patients-about-how-long-they-would-live-fraud-scheme-1566980
Above is one of his proteges and running buddies back from the Island days. Bunch of GD losers that could wreck a mayo sandwich. Crooks and dopers.
His parents were really good people, his mom died several years ago and she babied Bonner and was always helping him outta bad spots. He got popped running large amounts of weed for the guys, his name was Jack I can't remember the last name but he had the dune buggy rental place in Laguna Heights. Bonner never turned on anyone and was a fugitive for years. He has always had substance abuse issues and from looking at him he is hitting the vodka hard. He is a hamm that always wants the spotlight and to be fawned over, he is the most opposite of communist that I have ever known.
https://www.newsweek.com/ceo-henry-mcinnis-gets-15-years-lying-patients-about-how-long-they-would-live-fraud-scheme-1566980
Above is one of his proteges and running buddies back from the Island days. Bunch of GD losers that could wreck a mayo sandwich. Crooks and dopers.
aggiehawg said:
ETA: To compare.
Wow!
Images from the front and back are to be of the same ship. Nothing to confirm that they are the same ship.
Found this angle
Wiki Muskva class
http://wikimapia.org/144669/deleted
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cruiser_Moskva
My new favorite type of propaganda, the fake "fake propaganda".The Debt said:
Propagandists using images from a war they want you to forget ever happenedUkrainian media posted a heartbreaking picture of a child, maimed by Russia - this turned out to be a child from Donbass maimed in 2015 by unexploded Ukrainian ammunition, which also killed his brother. pic.twitter.com/oqCN24cP5F
— 🌽 CORN POP 🌽 (@Fishcak18433002) April 14, 2022
Russia just made the brigade responsible for the crimes in Bucha a decorated "Guards" brigade for their, "heroism."
**** Russia
**** Russia
He sings a little better than he wages war.
Some interesting celebrities loving it.
Some interesting celebrities loving it.
we have been so worried about the Russian military for 40 years now.
but after the past 50 days, it's pretty obvious that NATO would be able to annihilate most of the Russian Army in about a week.
but after the past 50 days, it's pretty obvious that NATO would be able to annihilate most of the Russian Army in about a week.
Still weird to hear "Blueberry Hill" in a Russian accent.BQ78 said:
He sings a little better than he wages war.
Some interesting celebrities loving it.
My late sister and her husband took a cruise back in the early 80s with an Italian crew. They would sing Billy Joel's song as "I luva you justa way you arrrrrra!"
I agree and Europe needs to step it up and take some leadership in this matter. Pathetic effort is the best description of their helping their neighbor in need. Imagine if Europe took up the fight with Ukraine, that would be the end of the Russian empire. A new Europe with manly balls.LMCane said:
we have been so worried about the Russian military for 40 years now.
but after the past 50 days, it's pretty obvious that NATO would be able to annihilate most of the Russian Army in about a week.
WTF are they waiting for, they have an open invitation and Ukrainians have proven their mettle and courage in the face of overwhelming odds.
PA24 said:I agree and Europe needs to step it up and take some leadership in this matter. Pathetic effort is the best description of their helping their neighbor in need. Imagine if Europe took up the fight with Ukraine, that would be the end of the Russian empire. A new Europe with manly balls.LMCane said:
we have been so worried about the Russian military for 40 years now.
but after the past 50 days, it's pretty obvious that NATO would be able to annihilate most of the Russian Army in about a week.
WTF are they waiting for, they have an open invitation and Ukrainians have proven their mettle and courage in the face of overwhelming odds.
This quite possibly is just fabricated internet bull**** but it sounds plausible and could be a legitimate excerpt from an article.
Quote:
From the Economist…. :
This unexpected weakness of Russia in military matters arises from four concurring causes, of which three are inherent in her system, and, if not absolutely incurable, are at best little likely to be cured ...
The Russian armies are often armies on paper only. Not only are their numbers far fewer than are stated in official returns and paid for out of the official purse, but they are notoriously ill-provided with everything necessary to the effective action of a soldier ...
The colonels of regiments & officers of the commissariat have a direct interest in having as large a number on the books and as small a number in the field as possible, inasmuch as they pocket the pay and rations of the difference between these figure ...
[E]very pair of shoes or overcoat intercepted from the wretched soldier is a bottle of champagne for the sergeant major; every ammunition wagon which is paid for by Government, but not provided, is a handsome addition to the salary of the captain or the contractor …
This horrible and fatal system originates in ... Russian autocracy ... Then the power of the Autocrat, absolute as it is and vigorously as it is exercised, is utterly insufficient to meet the evil. What can a despot do who has no instruments that can be trusted? ...
[T]ill a free Press be permitted in Russia & encouraged to unveil and denounce abuses; till the rights & feelings of annexed territories be habitually respected, we do not think that Russia need henceforth be considered as formidable for aggression. She has been unmasked.
This article is from 1854 dding the Crimean War.
Found a very good (and very long) explanation of these bat**** crazy Russians.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1516162437455654913.html
Finally, I can at last begin to understand where Russians are coming from and the garbage that gets spewed.
Ukraine has historic roots in democracy, they belong with the West. And the Russian goal is genocide.
Some highlights from the article:
/….In this respect Russian state didn't change much since 1654. As Putin's deputy Kirienko told in 2017, "Russian state is not based on treaties". Treaty is a restraint on the Tsar's power, a condition he abides to committ. That's a dishonour and he breaks treaty at the first chance.
….Most people consumed little or no cultural content except the one provided by the priest. Church selected, censored and distributed the content for the masses: in this sense it was immensely important, much like social media nowadays. Church used to be the TikTok. Ukrainians elected their priests, collectively determining who will control the cultural content distribution in their locality. No wonder that priest elections were *the* focus of mass political life. For centuries Ukrainians practiced in campaigns, voting, electoral politics. Russians didn't have this chance. Russian state had more time and more opportunities to exterminate any forms of personal agency, collective action and political participation in Russia than in Ukraine, which was conquered late and integrated into the empire even later.
….And vice versa, for adherents of Russian cultural memes, Shevchenko was the mortal enemy. He articulated Ukrainian memes: political, cultural, linguistic. Ukrainian memes should be destroyed and Russian cultural standard imposed all over Ukraine. Cultural uniformity - that's the real goal of Z-war. It is all about directing vernacular bifurcation of the ancient sacred community towards everyone becoming Russian. The problem with Ukraine is that it exists. That's a view deeply embedded in the Russian culture.
/
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1516162437455654913.html
Finally, I can at last begin to understand where Russians are coming from and the garbage that gets spewed.
Ukraine has historic roots in democracy, they belong with the West. And the Russian goal is genocide.
Some highlights from the article:
/….In this respect Russian state didn't change much since 1654. As Putin's deputy Kirienko told in 2017, "Russian state is not based on treaties". Treaty is a restraint on the Tsar's power, a condition he abides to committ. That's a dishonour and he breaks treaty at the first chance.
….Most people consumed little or no cultural content except the one provided by the priest. Church selected, censored and distributed the content for the masses: in this sense it was immensely important, much like social media nowadays. Church used to be the TikTok. Ukrainians elected their priests, collectively determining who will control the cultural content distribution in their locality. No wonder that priest elections were *the* focus of mass political life. For centuries Ukrainians practiced in campaigns, voting, electoral politics. Russians didn't have this chance. Russian state had more time and more opportunities to exterminate any forms of personal agency, collective action and political participation in Russia than in Ukraine, which was conquered late and integrated into the empire even later.
….And vice versa, for adherents of Russian cultural memes, Shevchenko was the mortal enemy. He articulated Ukrainian memes: political, cultural, linguistic. Ukrainian memes should be destroyed and Russian cultural standard imposed all over Ukraine. Cultural uniformity - that's the real goal of Z-war. It is all about directing vernacular bifurcation of the ancient sacred community towards everyone becoming Russian. The problem with Ukraine is that it exists. That's a view deeply embedded in the Russian culture.
/
Sounds eerily similar to the Afghan army.
Ulysses90 said:PA24 said:I agree and Europe needs to step it up and take some leadership in this matter. Pathetic effort is the best description of their helping their neighbor in need. Imagine if Europe took up the fight with Ukraine, that would be the end of the Russian empire. A new Europe with manly balls.LMCane said:
we have been so worried about the Russian military for 40 years now.
but after the past 50 days, it's pretty obvious that NATO would be able to annihilate most of the Russian Army in about a week.
WTF are they waiting for, they have an open invitation and Ukrainians have proven their mettle and courage in the face of overwhelming odds.
This quite possibly is just fabricated internet bull**** but it sounds plausible and could be a legitimate excerpt from an article.Quote:
From the Economist…. :
This unexpected weakness of Russia in military matters arises from four concurring causes, of which three are inherent in her system, and, if not absolutely incurable, are at best little likely to be cured ...
The Russian armies are often armies on paper only. Not only are their numbers far fewer than are stated in official returns and paid for out of the official purse, but they are notoriously ill-provided with everything necessary to the effective action of a soldier ...
The colonels of regiments & officers of the commissariat have a direct interest in having as large a number on the books and as small a number in the field as possible, inasmuch as they pocket the pay and rations of the difference between these figure ...
[E]very pair of shoes or overcoat intercepted from the wretched soldier is a bottle of champagne for the sergeant major; every ammunition wagon which is paid for by Government, but not provided, is a handsome addition to the salary of the captain or the contractor …
This horrible and fatal system originates in ... Russian autocracy ... Then the power of the Autocrat, absolute as it is and vigorously as it is exercised, is utterly insufficient to meet the evil. What can a despot do who has no instruments that can be trusted? ...
[T]ill a free Press be permitted in Russia & encouraged to unveil and denounce abuses; till the rights & feelings of annexed territories be habitually respected, we do not think that Russia need henceforth be considered as formidable for aggression. She has been unmasked.
This article is from 1854 dding the Crimean War.
That's very a very wow write up from more than 150 years ago, wow.
Link?ABATTBQ11 said:
Russia just made the brigade responsible for the crimes in Bucha a decorated "Guards" brigade for their, "heroism."
**** Russia
Community statement from Novosibirsk State University: 'We, students, graduates, teachers & other employees of Novosibirsk State University, strongly condemn the war that the Russian state unleashed in Ukraine on February 24, 2022, & express our support to the Ukrainian citizens' pic.twitter.com/kwzOcX1w95
— The Siberian Times (@siberian_times) April 18, 2022
#UkraineRussiaWar #Moskvacruiser #NavalWarfare #Art
— Saturnax 🇸🇰🇪🇺🇺🇦💪 (@Saturnax1) April 19, 2022
Beautiful artwork showing Project 1164 Atlant/Slava class guided missile cruiser Moskva on fire after being hit by AShM Neptune.
Author: https://t.co/qFAaqbf4ET pic.twitter.com/5898I5pPxy
Nice job.nortex97 said:#UkraineRussiaWar #Moskvacruiser #NavalWarfare #Art
— Saturnax 🇸🇰🇪🇺🇺🇦💪 (@Saturnax1) April 19, 2022
Beautiful artwork showing Project 1164 Atlant/Slava class guided missile cruiser Moskva on fire after being hit by AShM Neptune.
Author: https://t.co/qFAaqbf4ET pic.twitter.com/5898I5pPxy
But the sea was calm as glass that night, apparently.
Sanctions impact on Russia
Thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1516464028729679872.html
Thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1516464028729679872.html
Rare glimpses of honesty from senior Russian officials. (Another 🧵 on sanctions.)
— Ilya Matveev (@IlyaMatveev_) April 19, 2022
Elvira Nabiullina, head of the Central Bank: logistical blockade hurts even more than financial sanctions. Supply chains are broken. (1/11)
Full thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1516758941824393223.html
or what they'll do once there. Just an endless, inhuman bureaucratic system forcefully shipping slaves wherever it desires. We don't know how to get them back to Ukraine or how to help them in Russia - just waiting and waiting to hear a scrap of news off a borrowed phone call.
— Romeo Kokriatski (@VagrantJourno) April 20, 2022
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