***** OFFICIAL Russia v. Ukraine *****

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Rossticus
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In reply to ATX_AG_08 • 8:57p, 4/1/22
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ATX_AG_08 said:
4,2,3,5,1. Boom!
Today, unfortunately, many Americans have good reason to fear that they will be victimized if they are unable to protect themselves. And today, no less than in 1791, the Second Amendment guarantees their right to do so. - Justice Samuel Alito 2022
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In reply to JB!98 • 9:08p, 4/1/22
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Welp, Texags did not support my Russian numericals. Fail…

And they're prob not showing their faces for a good reason.
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In reply to ATX_AG_08 • 9:10p, 4/1/22
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Relax, it was a moment of levity. I think a GBU-12 would make for a great addition to their salon.
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1:10a, 4/2/22
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In reply to Rossticus • 9:29a, 4/2/22
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That dude does not live in reality!
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In reply to VitruvianAg • 9:39a, 4/2/22
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That dude does not live in reality!
It is frightening to hear that level of delusion, while simultaneously admitting that Russia could and likely will wind up being a vassal state of China. All to justify a weakening of the West. A goal that has been elusive given the tactics they have employed.

A detente with the West after this is the best they could hope for. But doubt there will be any friendly feelings towards Russia from Europe anytime soon.
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12:06p, 4/2/22
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Have to confess, this makes me nervous.



I am more comfortable with being on the opposite side of what google wants to do. Censorship issues aside, there does appear to be a full on push in support of Ukraine making for some very strange bedfellows.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 12:15p, 4/2/22
I understand the goal of kneecapping Russian disinformation but IMO they should stipulate that this would be done if claims are shown to be false, fraudulent, deliberately misleading, etc. They probably just don't want to allocate the resources for that.
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In reply to Rossticus • 12:21p, 4/2/22
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Rossticus said:
I understand the goal of kneecapping Russian disinformation but IMO they should stipulate that this would be done if claims are shown to be false, fraudulent, deliberately misleading, etc. They probably just don't want to allocate the resources for that.
Agree. They can put this is questionable warning on something but demonetizing goes too far, in my view.

That is one thing I learned from watching Nick Rekieta's youtube channel. He has to tiptoe round certain subjects or risk being demonetized if someone at youtube disagrees.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 12:42p, 4/2/22
Agree. Simple "disagreement" is in no way a justification for demonetization.
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12:58p, 4/2/22
Just in case anyone is interested or curious. These are vetted and legit.

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1:43p, 4/2/22
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1510294004356759553.html












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3:37p, 4/2/22
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Prof John Duggan*, a climate scientist at a Russell Group university, had a Zoom call a few weeks ago with two Russian research partners shortly after their country invaded Ukraine. Duggan, who has worked with the academics for a while, suddenly found them "unusually quiet and hesitant". He sensed that "they were worried someone was looking over their shoulder".

In Russia, expressing opposition to the invasion is risky. But in subsequent calls Duggan says his friends have become bolder. Now they have given up hope for their work at home. They feel there is "no future for science in Russia" and are seeking positions abroad so they can flee.

Given that criticising the war can now lead to 15 years in prison in Russia, Duggan describes all communications with the scientists he is trying to help as deliberately "ambiguous". But he says: "They feel shame at what is being done in their name in Ukraine."

UK academics say this is becoming a familiar story. Russian scientists are turning to partners abroad to help them escape, but academics in the UK say even the most talented may struggle to find positions at short notice in British universities.
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Science is considered a global endeavour with researchers partnering up with colleagues all over the world. Now many in Russia feel their work, shut off from international collaborations, will wither.

Dr Alexander Nozik, a physicist at the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology, told the Guardian: "I believe and most of my colleagues believe that it just isn't possible to do isolated science. In physics the science journal system in Russia is mostly dead."

Nozik says "most younger academics, including me" are talking to contacts in Europe and formulating a "backup plan". He adds: "A lot of world-class scientists I know here can't work on their research because they are so depressed. They can't understand how we can live with all this."
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Brain drain continues.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:07p, 4/2/22
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Edward Snowden has gotten a lot quieter over the past month or so. He's usually quite opinionated and outspoken. Cat must have got his tongue.
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5:58p, 4/2/22
Can't tell WHAT they're saying but HOW they're saying it doesn't appear terribly… sympathetic.

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In reply to Rossticus • 6:03p, 4/2/22
Rossticus said:
Can't tell WHAT they're saying but HOW they're saying it doesn't appear terribly… sympathetic.


With translation - inhuman
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In reply to Rossticus • 6:11p, 4/2/22
What's the point of that one?

Ok, translation followed up afterwards.

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In reply to Proc92 • 6:14p, 4/2/22
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What's the point of that one?


Ukrainian reaching out to Russians in order to see how they feel about what's happening to Ukrainians.
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In reply to Ulysses90 • 6:15p, 4/2/22
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Ulysses90 said:
Edward Snowden has gotten a lot quieter over the past month or so. He's usually quite opinionated and outspoken. Cat must have got his tongue.
Probably dead or under house arrest.
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7:25p, 4/2/22
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Where are those people that laughed and said it was impossible for Russia to lose??? If the Russians are dropping mines from Kiev to the Belarusian border then they don't want to go back in. They are hoping to salvage something in the east now, but I'm not even sure they can take that unless they use WMDs. They got their asses kicked by the Ukraine army.
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7:26p, 4/2/22
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Russia is a terror group. They targeted civilians instead of the Ukraine army and I hope the west makes them pay dearly for their stupidity.
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7:32p, 4/2/22
Never thought I'd have any concept how people felt about Hitler or Stalin in real time, in my lifetime. Putin has done less than 10% of what Hitler/Stalin each did. Think about that.

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In reply to Rossticus • 7:40p, 4/2/22
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Rossticus said:
Never thought I'd have any concept how people felt about Hitler or Stalin in real time, in my lifetime. Putin has done less than 10% of what Hitler/Stalin each did. Think about that.






It really is a lot like them. It was a freaking land grab and he was willing to kill millions of innocents to get it. I really hope the Biden administration gets off their asses and gives the Ukrainians more weapons to finish this damn thing.
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In reply to Rossticus • 7:40p, 4/2/22
Rossticus said:
Never thought I'd have any concept how people felt about Hitler or Stalin in real time, in my lifetime. Putin has done less than 10% of what Hitler/Stalin each did. Think about that.

10%?!

try 1% my friend.

Hitler and the Germans murdered 12 million humans

Stalin probably 20 million humans

losses in Ukraine are in the thousands
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In reply to LMCane • 7:46p, 4/2/22
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In a month. And, I wouldn't be shocked if the Ukraine civilian deaths are 50k+ already.
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In reply to LMCane • 8:07p, 4/2/22
It ain't over yet. But that's why I said "less than". All depends on what turns this takes and how long it drags out, or if there's a "second Ukrainian war" in the future. The less the better, obviously, but human lives are clearly no obstacle to Russia's goal.
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In reply to FriscoKid • 8:15p, 4/2/22
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FriscoKid said:
Where are those people that laughed and said it was impossible for Russia to lose??? If the Russians are dropping mines from Kiev to the Belarusian border then they don't want to go back in. They are hoping to salvage something in the east now, but I'm not even sure they can take that unless they use WMDs. They got their asses kicked by the Ukraine army.
Russia won't lose so long as Putin is willing to keep conscripting soldiers and sending them to Ukraine to die.

I just don't see how Russia could possibly take an L and survive the ensuing coup.
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