***** OFFICIAL Russia v. Ukraine *****

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45-70Ag said:

This lady is the former spokesman for the Ukrainian president. Hope this is true.




It's too bad both sides of this are masters at propaganda and lying, I have absolutely no idea what is happening with this war at all.
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45-70Ag said:

This lady is the former spokesman for the Ukrainian president. Hope this is true.




NATO needs to step up and make them bleed even more. Even if it's standoff weapons against fixed assets like runways and bases, make them bleed and poison pubic sentiment. There is already a protest movement in Russia, but I'm pretty sure this invasion will get even more unpopular if NATO engages and it turns into a serious shooting war against near peers that spoils onto Russian soil. Having their cities counterattacked and having the war brought to them is not what the Russian public signed up for.
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flashplayer said:

Mind sharing the link to where we can find such things for those of us that don't mind bearing witness to history?

www.twitter.com
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ABATTBQ11 said:

45-70Ag said:

This lady is the former spokesman for the Ukrainian president. Hope this is true.




NATO needs to step up and make them bleed even more. Even if it's standoff weapons against fixed assets like runways and bases, make them bleed and poison pubic sentiment. There is already a protest movement in Russia, but I'm pretty sure this invasion will get even more unpopular if NATO engages and it turns into a serious shooting war against near peers that spoils onto Russian soil. Having their cities counterattacked and having the war brought to them is not what the Russian public signed up for.
No. Nato should not attack Russian assets unless Russia makes a huge blunder and attacks nato countries.
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Putin literally said he would use nuclear weapons if attacked why would we even risk that at all? If nukes get used that might be the end of society
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Pro Tip

This is NOT the way you should throw a Molotov cocktail.
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FYI- As a former Armor Officer, I can tell you that about 80% of your time on a tank is maintenance.

This is why you see vehicles like this



Or you use rail to move tanks long distances.

Tracked vehicles do not travel well over long distances. They can, but you pay a price with losing some along the way. The Russian forces probably have parts stocked up to get the job done. But, some of their older tanks may have issues.

If Russian forces plan to use their tracked vehicles in their assault across Ukraine, they will be slowed by their ability to travel. Maybe they have a fleet of trucks to move them, but that will mean they have to use the roads.

We will see just how well the Russian military has kept up their vehicle maintenance.
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Four decades the US has been giving Europe billions of US tax payer money to defend Europe from Russia. When do we see that money in action? Or was it all a ruse all along and we've been fleeced?
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Yukon Cornelius said:

Four decades the US has been giving Europe billions of US tax payer money to defend Europe from Russia. When do we see that money in action? Or was it all a ruse all along and we've been fleeced?
We have been fleeced.

The big thing in all this? If somehow the US says, "nah we are good" and the western European powers have to build up their own military again, their bull**** fairy dust socialist programs go down the ****ter.
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We should nuke China and Norks right now. Blame putin. Never let a crisis go to waste.
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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

Four decades the US has been giving Europe billions of US tax payer money to defend Europe from Russia. When do we see that money in action? Or was it all a ruse all along and we've been fleeced?
We have been fleeced.

The big thing in all this? If somehow the US says, "nah we are good" and the western European powers have to build up their own military again, their bull**** fairy dust socialist programs go down the ****ter.
If this happens...

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He's bluffing. I don't think that would work politically on his end for one. He'd be inviting a nuclear response, and he and every Russian knows it. If not from us, the British or someone else. If he DID use a tactical nuke, I would hope we use one back. At that point, I don't think anyone in Russia would be willing to, "escalate to deescalate." Escalating further would only have one outcome, and

For two, if the threat of nuclear weapons works now, he will use it with the next country he invades. When he goes after the Baltic states or Poland, he'll do the same thing. Are really going to argue he should be allowed to put a gun to the world's head?
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Kozmozag said:

We should nuke China and Norks right now. Blame putin. Never let a crisis go to waste.

While this is assuredly sarcasm, I would not to be entirely surprised to see if that was actually in the dem playbook.
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Idk I really don't feel like playing russian roulette with a leader who seems to have lost his *****
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ABATTBQ11 said:

He's bluffing. I don't think that would work politically on his end for one. He'd be inviting a nuclear response, and he and every Russian knows it. If not from us, the British or someone else. If he DID use a tactical nuke, I would hope we use one back. At that point, I don't think anyone in Russia would be willing to, "escalate to deescalate." Escalating further would only have one outcome, and

For two, if the threat of nuclear weapons works now, he will use it with the next country he invades. When he goes after the Baltic states or Poland, he'll do the same thing. Are really going to argue he should be allowed to put a gun to the world's head?
I mean. The only way to truly win a game of chicken is to convince the other side you are crazy.
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Yukon Cornelius said:

Four decades the US has been giving Europe billions of US tax payer money to defend Europe from Russia. When do we see that money in action? Or was it all a ruse all along and we've been fleeced?


It's a farce and all been laundered back to the elites.
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TommyBrady said:

Idk I really don't feel like playing russian roulette with a leader who seems to have lost his *****


He hasn't lost his ****. There's a calculus here, and he's betting he can intimidate the rest of the world into standing by because western leadership had shown they're weak and don't want a war.
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David Wallace said:

FYI- As a former Armor Officer, I can tell you that about 80% of your time on a tank is maintenance.

This is why you see vehicles like this



Or you use rail to move tanks long distances.

Tracked vehicles do not travel well over long distances. They can, but you pay a price with losing some along the way. The Russian forces probably have parts stocked up to get the job done. But, some of their older tanks may have issues.

If Russian forces plan to use their tracked vehicles in their assault across Ukraine, they will be slowed by their ability to travel. Maybe they have a fleet of trucks to move them, but that will mean they have to use the roads.

We will see just how well the Russian military has kept up their vehicle maintenance.

they have been using them all over Belarus and Ukraine the last few weeks without carriers.

what does Putin care?

they have a massive superiority and can afford to have a few break down.

there is video of them speeding at 30 MPH through Ukraine cities today!
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ABATTBQ11 said:

TommyBrady said:

Idk I really don't feel like playing russian roulette with a leader who seems to have lost his *****


He hasn't lost his ****. There's a calculus here, and he's betting he can intimidate the rest of the world into standing by because western leadership had shown they're weak and don't want a war.
Putin is wily and intelligent and cunning like a fox

meanwhile, Biden is trying to pronounce the words on a speech written for him by Jake Sullivan.

a dude who never served in the military and has some grad degree in political science '

but sure, those two are going to stand up to the KGB and Spetsnatz
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TommyBrady said:

Idk I really don't feel like playing russian roulette with a leader who seems to have lost his *****
Putin isn't stupid.
He was the head of the KGB and so far this looks like an extremely well calculated move.
He's been preparing for this militarily - obvious build-up, but the Russians also tested a lot of weapons and tech in Syria
He's been preparing for this economically - Germany and a bunch of European "powers" depend on Russia for gas.
He's also clearly has a good pulse on Western leadership (or lack thereof) and anticipated correctly that they'll sit by and do nothing.

I mean in less than 48 hours, his troops are 15 miles from Kyiv. That is strategically impressive. The only hope is that Ukraine is doing what Iraq did to us. Let us win conventionally and then harass us with guerilla warfare.
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And running late but here's my early take:

invadedPolanderUkraine.Putinisabadbadmanwithbadbadintentions.Theworldcannotstandbyasacountryisinvadedbybadmen.Sowewillimposethestrictictssanctionseverbyanyoneinthehistoryoftheworld.butwewontmovetroopsintostophim.asKamalasaidoursanctionswilldeterhimandwhiletheydidntthesesanctionswill.Iwanticecreams.HaveIevermentionedBeau?HedbetherefightingsidebysidewiththeUkrainians.Hunterwouldbetheremanagingtheirbusinessaccountsbecausehe'sthesmartestmanIknowthatdoesmeth.MysonBeaudiedfightingpolarbearssoIunderstandwhateveryoneinUkraineisgoingthrough.ThoughtsandPrayersit'snaptime.Goodnight.
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There is a war with massive global implications going on as we speak and there are people speaking at the PRESIDENT's podium with double N95 masks on.

Is this administration TRYING to look weak and soft???
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Yukon Cornelius said:

Four decades the US has been giving Europe billions of US tax payer money to defend Europe from Russia. When do we see that money in action? Or was it all a ruse all along and we've been fleeced?


That's not how any of this works.

Our historical security commitment towards Europe has specifically been the guarantee of mutual defense to NATO members. I suppose it needs repeating: Ukraine is not a NATO member.

Our support of NATO members has largely taken the form of military bases and personnel located in Europe. We have not spent four decades giving cash from U.S. taxpayers to European militaries if that's what you think.
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AlaskanAg99 said:

And running late but here's my early take:

invadedPolanderUkraine.Putinisabadbadmanwithbadbadintentions.Theworldcannotstandbyasacountryisinvadedbybadmen.Sowewillimposethestrictictssanctionseverbyanyoneinthehistoryoftheworld.butwewontmovetroopsintostophim.asKamalasaidoursanctionswilldeterhimandwhiletheydidntthesesanctionswill.Iwanticecreams.HaveIevermentionedBeau?HedbetherefightingsidebysidewiththeUkrainians.Hunterwouldbetheremanagingtheirbusinessaccountsbecausehe'sthesmartestmanIknowthatdoesmeth.MysonBeaudiedfightingpolarbearssoIunderstandwhateveryoneinUkraineisgoingthrough.ThoughtsandPrayersit'snaptime.Goodnight.
Did you stroke out?
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AlaskanAg99 said:

And running late but here's my early take:

invadedPolanderUkraine.Putinisabadbadmanwithbadbadintentions.Theworldcannotstandbyasacountryisinvadedbybadmen.Sowewillimposethestrictictssanctionseverbyanyoneinthehistoryoftheworld.butwewontmovetroopsintostophim.asKamalasaidoursanctionswilldeterhimandwhiletheydidntthesesanctionswill.Iwanticecreams.HaveIevermentionedBeau?HedbetherefightingsidebysidewiththeUkrainians.Hunterwouldbetheremanagingtheirbusinessaccountsbecausehe'sthesmartestmanIknowthatdoesmeth.MysonBeaudiedfightingpolarbearssoIunderstandwhateveryoneinUkraineisgoingthrough.ThoughtsandPrayersit'snaptime.Goodnight.
space bar broken?
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Proc92 said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

And running late but here's my early take:

invadedPolanderUkraine.Putinisabadbadmanwithbadbadintentions.Theworldcannotstandbyasacountryisinvadedbybadmen.Sowewillimposethestrictictssanctionseverbyanyoneinthehistoryoftheworld.butwewontmovetroopsintostophim.asKamalasaidoursanctionswilldeterhimandwhiletheydidntthesesanctionswill.Iwanticecreams.HaveIevermentionedBeau?HedbetherefightingsidebysidewiththeUkrainians.Hunterwouldbetheremanagingtheirbusinessaccountsbecausehe'sthesmartestmanIknowthatdoesmeth.MysonBeaudiedfightingpolarbearssoIunderstandwhateveryoneinUkraineisgoingthrough.ThoughtsandPrayersit'snaptime.Goodnight.
Did you stroke out?
Stoke alert!!! Someone call 911
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Or did FJB hack your account?
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Isn't it funny how we've been in pointless wars for two decades. And now when we have a legit reason to be in one we're like nah **** it
some men you just cant reach ...
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One stupid post and it clobbers a whole page with stupid responses to it
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Biden is so bad at making speaking look natural. He's clearly just staring at the teleprompter.
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Twitter just go down for anyone else?
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Proc92 said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

And running late but here's my early take:

invadedPolanderUkraine.Putinisabadbadmanwithbadbadintentions.Theworldcannotstandbyasacountryisinvadedbybadmen.Sowewillimposethestrictictssanctionseverbyanyoneinthehistoryoftheworld.butwewontmovetroopsintostophim.asKamalasaidoursanctionswilldeterhimandwhiletheydidntthesesanctionswill.Iwanticecreams.HaveIevermentionedBeau?HedbetherefightingsidebysidewiththeUkrainians.Hunterwouldbetheremanagingtheirbusinessaccountsbecausehe'sthesmartestmanIknowthatdoesmeth.MysonBeaudiedfightingpolarbearssoIunderstandwhateveryoneinUkraineisgoingthrough.ThoughtsandPrayersit'snaptime.Goodnight.
Did you stroke out?
Pre-Biden quotes.
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hbtheduce said:

Twitter just go down for anyone else?
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