***** OFFICIAL Russia v. Ukraine *****

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JJxvi said:

It would tie the ruble to gold and the rest of the entire Russian economy would swing wildly in volatility instead of just gold prices doing that.
So, if I am understanding you, this move is pretty risky for them? I know they have gold mines in Siberia with proven deposits.
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Bwahaha. They concerned Russia is going to open up a front in Nunavut?


They need to be ready for the next Truckers' Revolt
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JJxvi said:

It would tie the ruble to gold and the rest of the entire Russian economy would swing wildly in volatility instead of just gold prices doing that.
This is really a bold move by Russia, betting on America increased interest rates and inflation, possibly a method to devalue the American dollar at warp speed.

If it works, it is an act of war, we have no choice but to respond with force.
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This will get some comments…
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Russians can be nimble and pivot quickly.

So NOW Russia wants to hurt Trump?
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They want to hurt America, the division will continue to do that.
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Russia has sizable gold reserves beyond what was recently frozen in western banks. If oil is effectively being traded in gold, the price of gold will appreciate as oil buyers hit the market acquiring gold for their purchases.

In the short term, this could have some benefits for Russia.
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BattleGrackle said:

They want to hurt America, the division will continue to do that.


Yep. If both sides thought the other side were led by a Russian shill, which furthered partisan division, Russia would be perfectly happy.
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TTT

Needs to stay on page 1 if possible, interest in wavering,
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Interview with Valentina Melnikova, responsible secretary of The Union of the Committees of Soldiers' Mothers of Russia. Very interesting.

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Greenwald all in on "It's all going according to plan".

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lb3 said:

Russia has sizable gold reserves beyond what was recently frozen in western banks. If oil is effectively being traded in gold, the price of gold will appreciate as oil buyers hit the market acquiring gold for their purchases.

In the short term, this could have some benefits for Russia.
While their gold reserves are large comparatively speaking to other countries, it's value is only ~$148bn. Many articles suggested that Russia had already spent over $20 bn on the war (lost equipment etc.) not including sanctions by 3/3/22.
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Summary?
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Rossticus said:

Greenwald all in on "It's all going according to plan".


When did Zelenskiy ever concede eastern Ukrainian and Crimea?
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Just over a month into the war, Moscow is facing unintended consequences of its aggression in Ukraine, ranging from high casualties among its troops to economic ruin for years to come.

Here are five of them:

1) Russian casualties are high
Russia has been coy about releasing statistics on its losses, but one Russian Defense Ministry official said Friday that 1,351 Russian soldiers had died in the war so far, and that 3,825 were injured.
Ukraine's authorities claim that more than 15,000 Russian soldiers have been killed in the conflict, while a senior NATO official last week estimated that between 8,000 and 15,000 have been killed.
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To put the Russian forces' casualties in context, the United Nations' human rights office (OHCHR) said Tuesday that it has recorded a total of 1,151 deaths among Ukrainian civilians, including 54 children, and more than 1,800 injured civilians. It believes that the actual casualty figures are considerably higher.

"Most of the civilian casualties recorded were caused by the use of explosive weapons with a wide impact area, including shelling from heavy artillery and multiple launch rocket systems, and missile and air strikes,
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2) Ukrainians now loathe Russia

One of the likely consequences of this war is that many Ukrainians will harbor an abiding animosity toward Russia, particularly after the bombing of homes and civilian infrastructure including a children's hospital and maternity ward in Mariupol, as well as a theater where families were seeking shelter. These are widely seen as war crimes by the international community. Russia claims it has not targeted civilians.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy summed up the mood in the country in early March when he stated that "we will not forgive, we will not forget, we will punish everyone who committed atrocities in this war on our land," before adding that "there will be no quiet place on this Earth except the grave."
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3) Economic ruin

The international community was accused of being slow and ineffective when Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014. This time, it upped the ante when Russia's full-scale invasion began, with Western democracies imposing wide-ranging sanctions on key Russian sectors, businesses and individuals connected to the Kremlin or who support the invasion.

As a result, the Russian economy is expected to fall into a deep recession this year. The Institute of International Finance predicts Russia's economy will contract by as much as 15% in 2022 because of the war. It also predicted a decline of 3% in 2023 and warned in a note last week that the war "will wipe out fifteen years of economic growth."

The annualized inflation rate stood at 9.2% in February and is expected to have risen markedly higher in March, and there is "a plausible end-year range of 30-35%," Christopher Granville and Madina Khrustaleva said in a note Monday.

This, they added, may have important medium- to longer-term consequences, especially on a political level, with Putin's popularity likely to be tested as a result. They did, however, note one way Russia can mitigate the impact of sanctions on its economy: boosting its oil exports to China and India. Russia's oil-producing allies in OPEC are also standing by it.
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4) Europe is dropping Russian energy

The war has also accelerated Europe's transition away from Russian energy imports, putting a large dent in the revenue the country gets from its oil and gas business."?

It has also made the $11 billion Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline designed to bring more Russian gas to Europe (and which the United States, Poland and Ukraine warned would increase the region's energy insecurity) redundant, perhaps for good.
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5) Russia has united the West

During Putin's 22 years or so in power, he has systematically and repeatedly tried to weaken and undermine the West, whether it has been interference in democratic processes in the U.S. (with the 2016 election) and Europe (with the funding of right-wing political groups) or serious incidents such as the alleged use of nerve agents against his personal and political enemies.

Experts think Putin likely expected his invasion of Ukraine to have a disunifying effect on the West, with countries unable to agree on sanctions, or sending arms to Ukraine, but the opposite has proven true.
"The West's reaction is unprecedented. It is beyond anyone could have anticipated united and much more than anyone in Russia was preparing or prepared for," Anton Barbashin, a political analyst and editorial director of the journal Riddle Russia, told CNBC.

"Essentially it is the ultimate economic warfare that will destroy Russia's economy as we know [it]. Will those sanctions deter Putin's war in Ukraine no, but it will certainly considerably limit the time we have with Putin's Russia as it is today," Barbashin added.
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JJxvi said:

Agreeing to buy gold at a set rate is just them implementing "the gold standard"
Not enough. You need to agree to sell gold at a set rate too. This is the tough part for governments.

Printing to buy is easy. Selling gold for your printed money... can be tough.
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Reuters reporting Kremlin is backing down about only accepting rubles for oil and gas. Will not immediately require it.

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Guess they didn't expect the EU and particularly Germany to flat out refuse to do that.
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aggiehawg said:

Reuters reporting Kremlin is backing down about only accepting rubles for oil and gas. Will not immediately require it.

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Guess they didn't expect the EU and particularly Germany to flat out refuse to do that.
The funny thing is the EU and the US make it hard to purchase Rubles anyway.

As an example take the link below:
Credit Suisse

The compliance department at these banks will pull the plug on most Russian operations until they can find which way the dust is settling.
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ATX_AG_08 said:

And they say romance is dead.


Too bad he couldn't afford a tractor.
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That's in the FUBAR column. No tractor necessary.
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BusterAg said:

ATX_AG_08 said:

And they say romance is dead.


Too bad he couldn't afford a tractor.
I'm not sure I wanna be around for the gender reveals
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10668961/Russian-fighter-jets-violated-Swedish-airspace-earlier-month-equipped-NUKES.html?ito=push-notification&ci=Tlq1Jt7vFQ&cri=YALvOOrTaT&si=NXmf6CytH5zf&xi=95d8def8-d6fb-47c9-a415-bcf3641582c5&ai=10668961


Russian planes violated Swedish airspace with nuclear weapons. "Why should I care about Ukraine?" Because Russia is a belligerent who will try to push anyone and everyone around and it will invariably and eventually come at or expense someday unless and until they get their ass beat and learn to play nice or else.
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Because Russia is a belligerent who will try to push anime

Now they've taken things too far.
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He hasn't.
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Rossticus said:


allofmp3 is back baby!
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The Federal Anti-monopoly Service of Russia (FAS) has prepared a draft federal law*, which amends the Civil Code to legalise parallel imports into Russia. The amendments will come into force in 2021 and allow the Russian government to authorise the import of certain types of goods without the permission of the owner of the brand for up to five years.

The term "parallel imports" means the free importation into Russia of original and trademarked products without the permission of the trademark owner. In this case, goods are imported not by the rights holder, its authorised importers or official distributors, but by other entities or individuals. According to current Russian legislation, parallel imports are considered a violation of trademark exclusive rights and are not allowed.

The FAS has long been trying to change this principle. Back in 2016, representatives of the anti-monopoly authority declared* that they were planning to legalise parallel imports for certain categories of goods, such as pharmaceuticals, car parts, children's products and others. In the summer of 2017, the FAS continued to work in this area and issued warnings* to well-known carmakers for unreasonably restricting the importation of goods under their brands by entrepreneurs who were not their official dealers. These restrictions were found to be a violation of anti-monopoly laws.

In February 2018, the Russian Constitutional Court actually authorised* the importation of original goods without the consent of a rights owner under certain conditions, such as if the rights owner abuses its exclusivity in respect of a trademark by imposing restrictions on the importation of goods into the Russian market, or deliberately and unreasonably overprices its products.
From 2019.

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Seven and three are ten, not only now, but forever. There has never been a time when seven and three were not ten, nor will there ever be a time when they are not ten. Therefore, I have said that the truth of number is incorruptible and common to all who think. — St. Augustine
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This just adds to the already substantial evidence that they've been getting their ducks in a row for quite some time.
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Captain Positivity said:


This pisses me off. These countries only want to join NATO because they're scared and want the protection now. For years their citizens on social social media have excoriated the US for not having free healthcare while they can't protect themselves. Admitting them to NATO gives them the protection of our blood and treasure while they still spend their money on social security nets for their citizens, that's having your cake and eating it too. I say **** them unless they build a formidable military and cut their social spending.


ETA: They can offer so many benefits to their citizens because if our military. Let them live in a real world and Bernie Bros can stop using them as examples to aspire to and shove their socialist policies up their asses without lube.
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100 percent truth. A lot of Europe, knowing Trump might be back in 2025, is jumping on the 'free protection from Russia courtesy of the US' bandwagon that is NATO right now.
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