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It amazes me how the sheep have sold their soul for an experimental therapuetic that requires four shots/boosters in the course of 12 months to be even partially effective - not to mention the potential negative side effects.

Even PT Barnum would be impressed with this sales job.

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It amazes me that educated people don't know what a therapeutic is.

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So you admit it is not really a vaccine after all, and will not stop spread, infection, or even death.

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Most vaccines don't completely stop infection, spread, or death.

Why do you hold the covid ones to a higher standard?

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Why do you spend day after day on 16 spouting the same crap, again and again and again? Don't you have a job? Get a life already. Pathetic.

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I didn't realize the truth angers you so much.

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People no longer seek truth. They just want to thrust their foam finger into the air and claim victory.

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It amazes me how the sheep have sold their soul for an experimental therapuetic that requires four shots/boosters in the course of 12 months to be even partially effective - not to mention the potential negative side effects.

Even PT Barnum would be impressed with this sales job.

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It amazes me that educated people don't know what a therapeutic is.

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So you admit it is not really a vaccine after all, and will not stop spread, infection, or even death.

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Most vaccines don't completely stop infection, spread, or death.

Why do you hold the covid ones to a higher standard?

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Why do you spend day after day on 16 spouting the same crap, again and again and again? Don't you have a job? Get a life already. Pathetic.

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I didn't realize the truth angers you so much.

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Truth.? No.

This thing is a therapeutic that wears off, that's all.

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It amazes me how the sheep have sold their soul for an experimental therapuetic that requires four shots/boosters in the course of 12 months to be even partially effective - not to mention the potential negative side effects.

Even PT Barnum would be impressed with this sales job.

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It amazes me that educated people don't know what a therapeutic is.

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So you admit it is not really a vaccine after all, and will not stop spread, infection, or even death.

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Most vaccines don't completely stop infection, spread, or death.

Why do you hold the covid ones to a higher standard?

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Why do you spend day after day on 16 spouting the same crap, again and again and again? Don't you have a job? Get a life already. Pathetic.

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I didn't realize the truth angers you so much.

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Truth.? No.

This thing is a therapeutic that wears off, that's all.

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I've responded to your questions, It would be courteous if you responded to mine.

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It amazes me how the sheep have sold their soul for an experimental therapuetic that requires four shots/boosters in the course of 12 months to be even partially effective - not to mention the potential negative side effects.

Even PT Barnum would be impressed with this sales job.

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It amazes me that educated people don't know what a therapeutic is.

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So you admit it is not really a vaccine after all, and will not stop spread, infection, or even death.

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Most vaccines don't completely stop infection, spread, or death.

Why do you hold the covid ones to a higher standard?

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The COVID "vaccine" isn't close to the other ones that you keep talking about. It helps with symptoms when you catch COVID. It's not a good vaccine at preventing you from catching the virus.

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Wow, how can I debate this sound science? I mean you put vaccine in quotations and everything.

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10 shots or GTFO

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10 shots + 4 masks

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And 6 ft apart

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It amazes me how the sheep have sold their soul for an experimental therapuetic that requires four shots/boosters in the course of 12 months to be even partially effective - not to mention the potential negative side effects.

Even PT Barnum would be impressed with this sales job.

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It amazes me that educated people don't know what a therapeutic is.

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So you admit it is not really a vaccine after all, and will not stop spread, infection, or even death.

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Most vaccines don't completely stop infection, spread, or death.

Why do you hold the covid ones to a higher standard?

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The Polio vax does, otherwise we could never get to 0 cases in two decades!

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False, the polio vaccine is only 90 to 99% effective, depending on prescribed schedule.

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Not talking about disease prevention effectiveness, which is between 99 and 100% with polio. Talking bout that dang ol infection and spread, which Polio vax does prevent and covid vax does not. Now, if you have some hard data and analysis to dispute that, unlike you other 1000 response, please post it. We're waiting.

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What is the point you are trying to make?

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That the covid vax is a therapeutic. It does not prevent transmission and spread, like Polio vax and other vaxxes do. You could never get to 0 cases over two decades if the polio vax did behaved like the covid "vax".

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I'm assuming the highlighted portion above is the thrust of your argument, unless you want to get into a semantic argument about terminology, which I don't think you do.

The vaccine does not 100% prevent transmission and spread. OK. I don't think there are too many that argue it does. There is ample evidence of "breakthrough" infections. I don't think Salute The Marines is arguing that point (although I don't want to presume to speak for him, and if I am wrong I apologize).

Given that, what is your bigger point? "The vaccine does not 100% prevent transmission and spread so..."?

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It amazes me how the sheep have sold their soul for an experimental therapuetic that requires four shots/boosters in the course of 12 months to be even partially effective - not to mention the potential negative side effects.

Even PT Barnum would be impressed with this sales job.

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It amazes me that educated people don't know what a therapeutic is.

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So you admit it is not really a vaccine after all, and will not stop spread, infection, or even death.

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Most vaccines don't completely stop infection, spread, or death.

Why do you hold the covid ones to a higher standard?

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Why do you spend day after day on 16 spouting the same crap, again and again and again? Don't you have a job? Get a life already. Pathetic.

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I didn't realize the truth angers you so much.

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Truth.? No.

This thing is a therapeutic that wears off, that's all.

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I've responded to your questions, It would be courteous if you responded to mine.

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You keep spouting the same nonsense with no data or studies. No reason to respond to baseless claims. The data for covid vaxxed infection is out there. Not so with polio. That's why you have nothing but baseless opinion.

Let's hope that new parents continue to vaccinate after this past year.

The lies...or at best horrible messaging....on so many levels has eroded trust. For something that for decades people would say "sure, why not" re: vaccinating kids....people will be FAR more skeptical and question the need. I am done with kids but if we did have another I would be doing far more research than I did. Maybe i get to the same end result but it wont be the auto inject button going forward....

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Given that, what is your bigger point? "The vaccine does not 100% prevent transmission and spread so...

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mandates are stupid. We will never be able to eliminate the virus. Policy makers are acting like they can still eliminate it. "If everyone would just get the vaccine then we can return back to normal life".

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It amazes me how the sheep have sold their soul for an experimental therapuetic that requires four shots/boosters in the course of 12 months to be even partially effective - not to mention the potential negative side effects.

Even PT Barnum would be impressed with this sales job.

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It amazes me that educated people don't know what a therapeutic is.

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So you admit it is not really a vaccine after all, and will not stop spread, infection, or even death.

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Most vaccines don't completely stop infection, spread, or death.

Why do you hold the covid ones to a higher standard?

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The Polio vax does, otherwise we could never get to 0 cases in two decades!

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False, the polio vaccine is only 90 to 99% effective, depending on prescribed schedule.

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Not talking about disease prevention effectiveness, which is between 99 and 100% with polio. Talking bout that dang ol infection and spread, which Polio vax does prevent and covid vax does not. Now, if you have some hard data and analysis to dispute that, unlike you other 1000 response, please post it. We're waiting.

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What is the point you are trying to make?

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That the covid vax is a therapeutic. It does not prevent transmission and spread, like Polio vax and other vaxxes do. You could never get to 0 cases over two decades if the polio vax did behaved like the covid "vax".

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I'm assuming the highlighted portion above is the thrust of your argument, unless you want to get into a semantic argument about terminology, which I don't think you do.

The vaccine does not 100% prevent transmission and spread. OK. I don't think there are too many that argue it does. There is ample evidence of "breakthrough" infections. I don't think Salute The Marines is arguing that point (although I don't want to presume to speak for him, and if I am wrong I apologize).

Given that, what is your bigger point? "The vaccine does not 100% prevent transmission and spread so..."?

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100%? It's nowhere close to that. Marine is arguing that in a desperate attempt to prove the covid vax is no different than polio and other vaxxes. Every time someone points out the differences, he disputes it with no analysis or studies.

CCP Joe Veggie said:

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annie88 said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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It amazes me how the sheep have sold their soul for an experimental therapuetic that requires four shots/boosters in the course of 12 months to be even partially effective - not to mention the potential negative side effects.

Even PT Barnum would be impressed with this sales job.

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It amazes me that educated people don't know what a therapeutic is.

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So you admit it is not really a vaccine after all, and will not stop spread, infection, or even death.

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Most vaccines don't completely stop infection, spread, or death.

Why do you hold the covid ones to a higher standard?

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Why do you spend day after day on 16 spouting the same crap, again and again and again? Don't you have a job? Get a life already. Pathetic.

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I didn't realize the truth angers you so much.

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Truth.? No.

This thing is a therapeutic that wears off, that's all.

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I've responded to your questions, It would be courteous if you responded to mine.

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You keep spouting the same nonsense with no data or studies. No reason to respond to baseless claims. The data for covid vaxxed infection is out there. Not so with polio. That's why you have nothing but baseless opinion.

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I've posted real world efficacy numbers for Polio, You simply won't tell me who is recommending Covid vaccines for those post infection. Do you know of anyone that does?

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https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-covid-fourth-booster-dose-immunocompromised-people.amp

Infinity boosters that are now required daily coming right up!

Seen in Dusseldorf, Germany:



Vaccine = freedom

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I don't feel like it is Freedom that is being FORCED on me

Crazy walensky has already said they are evaluating changing what fully vaxxed means as more data comes out.

The 4th booster is recommended for immune compromised, but they will push the third to everyone else before year end to keep the fear going. JJ calling for a follow up, compromised FDA forcing on kids to perform live testing, so self thinkers can connect the dots. Others can't.

Will be a jab push for every strain, every cough, every sneeze to keep the people at Bay. Fear sells

CCP Joe Veggie said:

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pagerman @ work said:

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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It amazes me how the sheep have sold their soul for an experimental therapuetic that requires four shots/boosters in the course of 12 months to be even partially effective - not to mention the potential negative side effects.

Even PT Barnum would be impressed with this sales job.

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It amazes me that educated people don't know what a therapeutic is.

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So you admit it is not really a vaccine after all, and will not stop spread, infection, or even death.

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Most vaccines don't completely stop infection, spread, or death.

Why do you hold the covid ones to a higher standard?

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The Polio vax does, otherwise we could never get to 0 cases in two decades!

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False, the polio vaccine is only 90 to 99% effective, depending on prescribed schedule.

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Not talking about disease prevention effectiveness, which is between 99 and 100% with polio. Talking bout that dang ol infection and spread, which Polio vax does prevent and covid vax does not. Now, if you have some hard data and analysis to dispute that, unlike you other 1000 response, please post it. We're waiting.

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What is the point you are trying to make?

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That the covid vax is a therapeutic. It does not prevent transmission and spread, like Polio vax and other vaxxes do. You could never get to 0 cases over two decades if the polio vax did behaved like the covid "vax".

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I'm assuming the highlighted portion above is the thrust of your argument, unless you want to get into a semantic argument about terminology, which I don't think you do.

The vaccine does not 100% prevent transmission and spread. OK. I don't think there are too many that argue it does. There is ample evidence of "breakthrough" infections. I don't think Salute The Marines is arguing that point (although I don't want to presume to speak for him, and if I am wrong I apologize).

Given that, what is your bigger point? "The vaccine does not 100% prevent transmission and spread so..."?

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100%? It's nowhere close to that. Marine is arguing that in a desperate attempt to prove the covid vax is no different than polio and other vaxxes. Every time someone points out the differences, he disputes it with no analysis or studies.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/15/covid-boosters-pfizer-says-israel-data-shows-third-shot-restores-efficacy-to-95percent.html

3rd booster of Pfizer prevents infection in 95% range according to Israeli study (which are considered gold here).

It's also stupid to push the vaccine on kids or on people that have natural immunity due to a previous infection. But, people that love the vaccine think it is some kind of magic bullet that will rid the world of this virus. It won't. And the sooner people like STM, Fauci, Biden, etc start telling the truth about what is can and can't do the better off we will be as a country. Take the vaccine for your yourself (or don't for all I care), but don't act like it's going to stop the spread.

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It's also stupid to push the vaccine on kids or on people that have natural immunity due to a previous infection. But, people that love the vaccine think it is some kind of magic bullet that will rid the world of this virus. It won't. And the sooner people like STM, Fauci, Biden, etc start telling the truth about what is can and can't do the better off we will be as a country. Take the vaccine for your yourself (or don't for all I care), but don't act like it's going to stop the spread.

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I dont' know why you lump me in here. I don't think there should be any mandates. I believe we should recognize natural immunity (possibly even being better than vaccines), and we shouldn't vaccinate healthy children as it's not a risk to them.

TBF they said the same thing about the first couple of shots too. How many time does the football need to be pulled out of the way before you realize they think we are all Charlie Brown?

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It's also worth mentioning that in order for us to get to modern levels of polio eradication we went from 1 IPV dose of polio vaccine in the 1950's to 4 doses today.

As we studied and observed real world efficacy we adjusted schedules and required more boosters.

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So it took 70 years of research to go from 1 to 4 doses. Science must move in light speed timescales now since it's taken less than a single year to go from 1 to 4.

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Let's hope that new parents continue to vaccinate after this past year.

The lies...or at best horrible messaging....on so many levels has eroded trust. For something that for decades people would say "sure, why not" re: vaccinating kids....people will be FAR more skeptical and question the need. I am done with kids but if we did have another I would be doing far more research than I did. Maybe i get to the same end result but it wont be the auto inject button going forward....

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I'm done with vaccines for good now, for anything. I'll never trust the pharmaceutical industry ever again.

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It amazes me how the sheep have sold their soul for an experimental therapuetic that requires four shots/boosters in the course of 12 months to be even partially effective - not to mention the potential negative side effects.

Even PT Barnum would be impressed with this sales job.

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It amazes me that educated people don't know what a therapeutic is.

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So you admit it is not really a vaccine after all, and will not stop spread, infection, or even death.

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Most vaccines don't completely stop infection, spread, or death.

Why do you hold the covid ones to a higher standard?

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The Polio vax does, otherwise we could never get to 0 cases in two decades!

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False, the polio vaccine is only 90 to 99% effective, depending on prescribed schedule.

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Not talking about disease prevention effectiveness, which is between 99 and 100% with polio. Talking bout that dang ol infection and spread, which Polio vax does prevent and covid vax does not. Now, if you have some hard data and analysis to dispute that, unlike you other 1000 response, please post it. We're waiting.

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What is the point you are trying to make?

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That the covid vax is a therapeutic. It does not prevent transmission and spread, like Polio vax and other vaxxes do. You could never get to 0 cases over two decades if the polio vax did behaved like the covid "vax".

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I'm assuming the highlighted portion above is the thrust of your argument, unless you want to get into a semantic argument about terminology, which I don't think you do.

The vaccine does not 100% prevent transmission and spread. OK. I don't think there are too many that argue it does. There is ample evidence of "breakthrough" infections. I don't think Salute The Marines is arguing that point (although I don't want to presume to speak for him, and if I am wrong I apologize).

Given that, what is your bigger point? "The vaccine does not 100% prevent transmission and spread so..."?

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100%? It's nowhere close to that. Marine is arguing that in a desperate attempt to prove the covid vax is no different than polio and other vaxxes. Every time someone points out the differences, he disputes it with no analysis or studies.

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I'm assuming you can see the irony in those two statements. I honestly don't recall seeing studies that show what the breakthrough percentages are (I'm honestly not sure if studies have been done). If they have I would be curious to see them.

But ceding the point that the covid vaccines do not 100% prevent infection or transmission where do we go from there?

Are you going to use this fact to argue that the vaccines have no value?

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TBF they said the same thing about the first couple of shots too. How many time does the football need to be pulled out of the way before you realize they think we are all Charlie Brown?

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In before, "we've always known we'd need boosters"

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It amazes me how the sheep have sold their soul for an experimental therapuetic that requires four shots/boosters in the course of 12 months to be even partially effective - not to mention the potential negative side effects.

Even PT Barnum would be impressed with this sales job.

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It amazes me that educated people don't know what a therapeutic is.

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So you admit it is not really a vaccine after all, and will not stop spread, infection, or even death.

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Most vaccines don't completely stop infection, spread, or death.

Why do you hold the covid ones to a higher standard?

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The Polio vax does, otherwise we could never get to 0 cases in two decades!

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False, the polio vaccine is only 90 to 99% effective, depending on prescribed schedule.

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Not talking about disease prevention effectiveness, which is between 99 and 100% with polio. Talking bout that dang ol infection and spread, which Polio vax does prevent and covid vax does not. Now, if you have some hard data and analysis to dispute that, unlike you other 1000 response, please post it. We're waiting.

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What is the point you are trying to make?

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That the covid vax is a therapeutic. It does not prevent transmission and spread, like Polio vax and other vaxxes do. You could never get to 0 cases over two decades if the polio vax did behaved like the covid "vax".

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I'm assuming the highlighted portion above is the thrust of your argument, unless you want to get into a semantic argument about terminology, which I don't think you do.

The vaccine does not 100% prevent transmission and spread. OK. I don't think there are too many that argue it does. There is ample evidence of "breakthrough" infections. I don't think Salute The Marines is arguing that point (although I don't want to presume to speak for him, and if I am wrong I apologize).

Given that, what is your bigger point? "The vaccine does not 100% prevent transmission and spread so..."?

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100%? It's nowhere close to that. Marine is arguing that in a desperate attempt to prove the covid vax is no different than polio and other vaxxes. Every time someone points out the differences, he disputes it with no analysis or studies.

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I'm assuming you can see the irony in those two statements. I honestly don't recall seeing studies that show what the breakthrough percentages are (I'm honestly not sure if studies have been done). If they have I would be curious to see them.

But ceding the point that the covid vaccines do not 100% prevent infection or transmission where do we go from there?

Are you going to use this fact to argue that the vaccines have no value?

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I've never argued that the vax has no value. WTF are you talking about.

You obviously don't care to understand what's being argued or can't understand. Either way, there is no reason to engage you further on the matter. It's futile.

Comparing that the COVID jab is equal to the vaccine of measles, mumps and polio is ridiculous.

Some data…

Measles (US)
- From January 1 to December 31, 2019, 1,282* individual cases of measles were confirmed in 31 states.
- This is the greatest number of cases reported in the U.S. since 1992. The majority of cases were among people who were not vaccinated against measles. Measles is more likely to spread and cause outbreaks in U.S. communities where groups of people are unvaccinated.

Mumps (US)
- From April 1, 2020 to December 31, 2020, 32 health departments reported 142 mumps cases.

Polio (Global)
- In 2020, 140 cases of WPV1 were reported, including 56 in Afghanistan (a 93% increase from 29 cases in 2019) and 84 in Pakistan (a 43% decrease from 147 cases in 2019).

COVID (US)
Per the cdc there have been 10.8k breakthrough case deaths and 30k breakthrough case hospitalizations. Who knows what the actual number of breakthrough cases there are.

Does one not really see which one is not like the other yet?

riverrataggie said:

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Comparing that the COVID jab is equal to the vaccine of measles, mumps and polio is ridiculous.

Some data…

Measles (US)
- From January 1 to December 31, 2019, 1,282* individual cases of measles were confirmed in 31 states.
- This is the greatest number of cases reported in the U.S. since 1992. The majority of cases were among people who were not vaccinated against measles. Measles is more likely to spread and cause outbreaks in U.S. communities where groups of people are unvaccinated.

Mumps (US)
- From April 1, 2020 to December 31, 2020, 32 health departments reported 142 mumps cases.

Polio (Global)
- In 2020, 140 cases of WPV1 were reported, including 56 in Afghanistan (a 93% increase from 29 cases in 2019) and 84 in Pakistan (a 43% decrease from 147 cases in 2019).

COVID (US)
Per the cdc there have been 10.8k breakthrough case deaths and 30k breakthrough case hospitalizations. Who knows what the actual number of breakthrough cases there are.

Does one not really see which one is not like the other yet?

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Can you post the number of exposures for mumps, polio, and measles?

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Comparing that the COVID jab is equal to the vaccine of measles, mumps and polio is ridiculous.

Some data…

Measles (US)
- From January 1 to December 31, 2019, 1,282* individual cases of measles were confirmed in 31 states.
- This is the greatest number of cases reported in the U.S. since 1992. The majority of cases were among people who were not vaccinated against measles. Measles is more likely to spread and cause outbreaks in U.S. communities where groups of people are unvaccinated.

Mumps (US)
- From April 1, 2020 to December 31, 2020, 32 health departments reported 142 mumps cases.

Polio (Global)
- In 2020, 140 cases of WPV1 were reported, including 56 in Afghanistan (a 93% increase from 29 cases in 2019) and 84 in Pakistan (a 43% decrease from 147 cases in 2019).

COVID (US)
Per the cdc there have been 10.8k breakthrough case deaths and 30k breakthrough case hospitalizations. Who knows what the actual number of breakthrough cases there are.

Does one not really see which one is not like the other yet?

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Can you post the number of exposures for mumps, polio, and measles?

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They are very low because those vaccines are effective. Why does the COVID exposure continue to be so high?

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TBF they said the same thing about the first couple of shots too. How many time does the football need to be pulled out of the way before you realize they think we are all Charlie Brown?

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In before, "we've always known we'd need boosters"

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It was said before approval that boosters were possible. This isnt' new.

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Absolutely. I am fully vaccinated but I would not vaccinate my kids (particularly boys) as the risk of/to getting the virus for the vast majority of kids does not justify the risks apparently associated with complications and side effects of the vaccine.

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But, people that love the vaccine think it is some kind of magic bullet that will rid the world of this virus. It won't. And the sooner people like STM, Fauci, Biden, etc start telling the truth about what is can and can't do the better off we will be as a country.

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I could not agree more. "Covid 0" is and always has been an extraordinarily stupid goal/public policy. Enlightened public servants would realize this and adjust policy accordingly. Unfortunately because this has become so incredibly political people have dug into their position rather than act reasonably.

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Take the vaccine for your yourself (or don't for all I care), but don't act like it's going to stop the spread.

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Again, this is completely accurate. There is no "stopping the spread". It is likely that it can be reduced as increases in vaccination rates and natural immunity due to contacting the disease increase across the board, but it isn't going anywhere. Like the current flu, it will reoccur and kill some number of people every year, mostly in high risk demographics.

We need to get used to living with this rather than treating it like some kind of temporary thing that will be eradicated.

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riverrataggie said:

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Comparing that the COVID jab is equal to the vaccine of measles, mumps and polio is ridiculous.

Some data…

Measles (US)
- From January 1 to December 31, 2019, 1,282* individual cases of measles were confirmed in 31 states.
- This is the greatest number of cases reported in the U.S. since 1992. The majority of cases were among people who were not vaccinated against measles. Measles is more likely to spread and cause outbreaks in U.S. communities where groups of people are unvaccinated.

Mumps (US)
- From April 1, 2020 to December 31, 2020, 32 health departments reported 142 mumps cases.

Polio (Global)
- In 2020, 140 cases of WPV1 were reported, including 56 in Afghanistan (a 93% increase from 29 cases in 2019) and 84 in Pakistan (a 43% decrease from 147 cases in 2019).

COVID (US)
Per the cdc there have been 10.8k breakthrough case deaths and 30k breakthrough case hospitalizations. Who knows what the actual number of breakthrough cases there are.

Does one not really see which one is not like the other yet?

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Can you post the number of exposures for mumps, polio, and measles?

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They are very low because those vaccines are effective. Why does the COVID exposure continue to be so high?

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It's extremely contagious and in the wild well before mass vaccination. Polio at it's height before vaccination only reached about 42,000 cases per year. We were simply never exposed to polio like we are to covid. In the developed world, polio was rare in the US, even prior to vaccination.

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It amazes me how the sheep have sold their soul for an experimental therapuetic that requires four shots/boosters in the course of 12 months to be even partially effective - not to mention the potential negative side effects.

Even PT Barnum would be impressed with this sales job.

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It amazes me that educated people don't know what a therapeutic is.

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So you admit it is not really a vaccine after all, and will not stop spread, infection, or even death.

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Most vaccines don't completely stop infection, spread, or death.

Why do you hold the covid ones to a higher standard?

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The Polio vax does, otherwise we could never get to 0 cases in two decades!

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False, the polio vaccine is only 90 to 99% effective, depending on prescribed schedule.

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Not talking about disease prevention effectiveness, which is between 99 and 100% with polio. Talking bout that dang ol infection and spread, which Polio vax does prevent and covid vax does not. Now, if you have some hard data and analysis to dispute that, unlike you other 1000 response, please post it. We're waiting.

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What is the point you are trying to make?

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That the covid vax is a therapeutic. It does not prevent transmission and spread, like Polio vax and other vaxxes do. You could never get to 0 cases over two decades if the polio vax did behaved like the covid "vax".

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I'm assuming the highlighted portion above is the thrust of your argument, unless you want to get into a semantic argument about terminology, which I don't think you do.

The vaccine does not 100% prevent transmission and spread. OK. I don't think there are too many that argue it does. There is ample evidence of "breakthrough" infections. I don't think Salute The Marines is arguing that point (although I don't want to presume to speak for him, and if I am wrong I apologize).

Given that, what is your bigger point? "The vaccine does not 100% prevent transmission and spread so..."?

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100%? It's nowhere close to that. Marine is arguing that in a desperate attempt to prove the covid vax is no different than polio and other vaxxes. Every time someone points out the differences, he disputes it with no analysis or studies.

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I'm assuming you can see the irony in those two statements. I honestly don't recall seeing studies that show what the breakthrough percentages are (I'm honestly not sure if studies have been done). If they have I would be curious to see them.

But ceding the point that the covid vaccines do not 100% prevent infection or transmission where do we go from there?

Are you going to use this fact to argue that the vaccines have no value?

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I've never argued that the vax has no value. WTF are you talking about.

You obviously don't care to understand what's being argued or can't understand. Either way, there is no reason to engage you further on the matter. It's futile.

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I'm not saying you are arguing that the vaccine has no value. That is why I asked the question. I'm not trying to be argumentative.

My point is that if you grant that the covid vaccines do not 100% prevent infection or transmission, what do we do with this information? What do you advocate in terms of public policy given this fact?

If you just want to argue with Salute The Marines for the sake of doing so (which is perfectly fine given this is a message board and not a congressional hearing), that is fine and I apologize for interrupting, although on this particular issue you and Salute may be in violent (semi)agreement with each other.

I was really curious what your take on "next steps" is given your factual statement.

I lurk on this board mostly, I have noticed that Salute The Marines comments on almost every post. You are a very strange person. LOL. Do you not have anything else to do? I mean, who does that?

Demosthenes81 said:

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https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-covid-fourth-booster-dose-immunocompromised-people.amp

Infinity boosters that are now required daily coming right up!

Seen in Dusseldorf, Germany:



Vaccine = freedom

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Germans going for the retro feel I see

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That was the first thing I thought of when seeing that tower. Scary times.

I know at least one person that is very excited about the number of jabs going up up up.

Haha Pepperidge farms knows who that would be

Especially if it's the one that has continued to say it wouldn't happen