Old McDonald said:

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I don't really dispute any of that. i think the point i'm driving at is it's difficult to have success dating (as in finding and marrying someone and having a healthy relationship) if you approach it like a sociology/biology experiment, which is what many men in that community were doing.

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agree but at the same time u need to know what the red flags are, what women REALLY want as opposed to what they say they want, and how to be the kind of man women do want.

otherwise u are ****ed.

And the problem many men are facing is that they are listening to what women are saying but it isn't working out for them because what women SAY they want isn't what they are biologically programmed to want or what they really want deep down.

which leads to unhappy women and men who are confused as **** as to why they keep losing out in the dating game.

The thing about America is that you can marry someone in one social class who is in another social class in 10 years. There is more social mobility in this country than any other in the world. Marry someone in the bottom 20% today and they are in the top 20% in 5 years.

Old McDonald said:

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I don't really dispute any of that. i think the point i'm driving at is it's difficult to have success dating (as in finding and marrying someone and having a healthy relationship) if you approach it like a sociology/biology experiment, which is what many men in that community were doing.

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The problem with dating is that a huge percentage of young men are at home pleasuring themselves to pornography. The impetus to date used to be satisfying a normal sexual urge. That urge is now satisfied through electronic and manual stimulation. Porn is ruining normal dating and relationships. It's poison.

I agree that porn is bad, but there is reason behind the uptick in porn users …

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I don't really dispute any of that. i think the point i'm driving at is it's difficult to have success dating (as in finding and marrying someone and having a healthy relationship) if you approach it like a sociology/biology experiment, which is what many men in that community were doing.

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The problem with dating is that a huge percentage of young men are at home pleasuring themselves to pornography. The impetus to date used to be satisfying a normal sexual urge. That urge is now satisfied through electronic and manual stimulation. Porn is ruining normal dating and relationships. It's poison.

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trust me guys would rather be with a girl than have it done manually by themselves

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I don't really dispute any of that. i think the point i'm driving at is it's difficult to have success dating (as in finding and marrying someone and having a healthy relationship) if you approach it like a sociology/biology experiment, which is what many men in that community were doing.

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The problem with dating is that a huge percentage of young men are at home pleasuring themselves to pornography. The impetus to date used to be satisfying a normal sexual urge. That urge is now satisfied through electronic and manual stimulation. Porn is ruining normal dating and relationships. It's poison.

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trust me guys would rather be with a girl than have it done manually by themselves

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Im Not so sure. Look at japan. No One is having sex there because the men are addicted to porn, and would rather masturbate with their dolls than an actual female. I think this trend is spreading to the US.

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I agree that porn is bad, but there is reason behind the uptick in porn users …

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and?

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Old McDonald said:

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I don't really dispute any of that. i think the point i'm driving at is it's difficult to have success dating (as in finding and marrying someone and having a healthy relationship) if you approach it like a sociology/biology experiment, which is what many men in that community were doing.

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The problem with dating is that a huge percentage of young men are at home pleasuring themselves to pornography. The impetus to date used to be satisfying a normal sexual urge. That urge is now satisfied through electronic and manual stimulation. Porn is ruining normal dating and relationships. It's poison.

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trust me guys would rather be with a girl than have it done manually by themselves

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without porn they wouldn't have a choice.

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I don't really dispute any of that. i think the point i'm driving at is it's difficult to have success dating (as in finding and marrying someone and having a healthy relationship) if you approach it like a sociology/biology experiment, which is what many men in that community were doing.

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The problem with dating is that a huge percentage of young men are at home pleasuring themselves to pornography. The impetus to date used to be satisfying a normal sexual urge. That urge is now satisfied through electronic and manual stimulation. Porn is ruining normal dating and relationships. It's poison.

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This is probably a factor. The cost benefit analysis of attempting to go on a date and getting laid or staying home and handling bidness yourself and then playing Call of Duty probably doesn't pan out for a lot of guys.

What do you mean and ?

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What do you mean and ?

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I am pretty sure he wants you to provide the reason that you claimed existed.

I thought it was kinda of obvious refereeing back to the original question at hand. Somebody else just explained it as well, easier to jerk it then go on a date, spend money to have the chance at getting strange

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What do you mean and ?

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what is the "uptick in porn users"? Porn satisfies normal male/female relationships without a human. It totally f's up the young man's desire to find a date, marry, and have kids.

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Old McDonald said:

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I don't really dispute any of that. i think the point i'm driving at is it's difficult to have success dating (as in finding and marrying someone and having a healthy relationship) if you approach it like a sociology/biology experiment, which is what many men in that community were doing.

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The problem with dating is that a huge percentage of young men are at home pleasuring themselves to pornography. The impetus to date used to be satisfying a normal sexual urge. That urge is now satisfied through electronic and manual stimulation. Porn is ruining normal dating and relationships. It's poison.

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trust me guys would rather be with a girl than have it done manually by themselves

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They would rather be with a girl, but that takes a bit of work. Watching porn and jerking is easy. Porn ruins relationships before they start. There is a reason young girls are having a difficult time finding dates. Their potential dates are watching porn and jerking.

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Old McDonald said:

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I don't really dispute any of that. i think the point i'm driving at is it's difficult to have success dating (as in finding and marrying someone and having a healthy relationship) if you approach it like a sociology/biology experiment, which is what many men in that community were doing.

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The problem with dating is that a huge percentage of young men are at home pleasuring themselves to pornography. The impetus to date used to be satisfying a normal sexual urge. That urge is now satisfied through electronic and manual stimulation. Porn is ruining normal dating and relationships. It's poison.

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trust me guys would rather be with a girl than have it done manually by themselves

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They would rather be with a girl, but that takes a bit of work. Watching porn and jerking is easy. Porn ruins relationships before they start. There is a reason young girls are having a difficult time finding dates. Their potential dates are watching porn and jerking.

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Young girls are not having trouble finding dates....... Most women I know in my age (mid 20s) have 5-6 guys who would eat that opportunity up

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Old McDonald said:

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I don't really dispute any of that. i think the point i'm driving at is it's difficult to have success dating (as in finding and marrying someone and having a healthy relationship) if you approach it like a sociology/biology experiment, which is what many men in that community were doing.

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The problem with dating is that a huge percentage of young men are at home pleasuring themselves to pornography. The impetus to date used to be satisfying a normal sexual urge. That urge is now satisfied through electronic and manual stimulation. Porn is ruining normal dating and relationships. It's poison.

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trust me guys would rather be with a girl than have it done manually by themselves

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They would rather be with a girl, but that takes a bit of work. Watching porn and jerking is easy. Porn ruins relationships before they start. There is a reason young girls are having a difficult time finding dates. Their potential dates are watching porn and jerking.

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Young girls are not having trouble finding dates....... Most women I know in my age (mid 20s) have 5-6 guys who would eat that opportunity up

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Weird, because none of them are getting married or having kids.

because they refuse to "settle" grass is greener effect, they think theyll hit the jackpot with some athlete or some rich guy but most of them wont even come close

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Old McDonald said:

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I don't really dispute any of that. i think the point i'm driving at is it's difficult to have success dating (as in finding and marrying someone and having a healthy relationship) if you approach it like a sociology/biology experiment, which is what many men in that community were doing.

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The problem with dating is that a huge percentage of young men are at home pleasuring themselves to pornography. The impetus to date used to be satisfying a normal sexual urge. That urge is now satisfied through electronic and manual stimulation. Porn is ruining normal dating and relationships. It's poison.

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trust me guys would rather be with a girl than have it done manually by themselves

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They would rather be with a girl, but that takes a bit of work. Watching porn and jerking is easy. Porn ruins relationships before they start. There is a reason young girls are having a difficult time finding dates. Their potential dates are watching porn and jerking.

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Young girls are not having trouble finding dates....... Most women I know in my age (mid 20s) have 5-6 guys who would eat that opportunity up

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Weird, because none of them are getting married or having kids.

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Just endless hookups, usually with the biggest *******s they can find.

15-20 years from now, they'll wonder why all of a sudden they're alone because few men want them as their looks fade.

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Old McDonald said:

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I don't really dispute any of that. i think the point i'm driving at is it's difficult to have success dating (as in finding and marrying someone and having a healthy relationship) if you approach it like a sociology/biology experiment, which is what many men in that community were doing.

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The problem with dating is that a huge percentage of young men are at home pleasuring themselves to pornography. The impetus to date used to be satisfying a normal sexual urge. That urge is now satisfied through electronic and manual stimulation. Porn is ruining normal dating and relationships. It's poison.

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trust me guys would rather be with a girl than have it done manually by themselves

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They would rather be with a girl, but that takes a bit of work. Watching porn and jerking is easy. Porn ruins relationships before they start. There is a reason young girls are having a difficult time finding dates. Their potential dates are watching porn and jerking.

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Young girls are not having trouble finding dates....... Most women I know in my age (mid 20s) have 5-6 guys who would eat that opportunity up

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Weird, because none of them are getting married or having kids.

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Well they have this thing called natural beauty due to their youth and most (not all) would rather cash it in getting with multiple guys and experiencing what all of them can offer rather than just settling with one

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Old McDonald said:

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I don't really dispute any of that. i think the point i'm driving at is it's difficult to have success dating (as in finding and marrying someone and having a healthy relationship) if you approach it like a sociology/biology experiment, which is what many men in that community were doing.

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The problem with dating is that a huge percentage of young men are at home pleasuring themselves to pornography. The impetus to date used to be satisfying a normal sexual urge. That urge is now satisfied through electronic and manual stimulation. Porn is ruining normal dating and relationships. It's poison.

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trust me guys would rather be with a girl than have it done manually by themselves

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They would rather be with a girl, but that takes a bit of work. Watching porn and jerking is easy. Porn ruins relationships before they start. There is a reason young girls are having a difficult time finding dates. Their potential dates are watching porn and jerking.

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Young girls are not having trouble finding dates....... Most women I know in my age (mid 20s) have 5-6 guys who would eat that opportunity up

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Weird, because none of them are getting married or having kids.

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Just endless hookups, usually with the biggest *******s they can find.

15-20 years from now, they'll wonder why all of a sudden they're alone because few men want them as their looks fade.

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Which will cause the cycle to repeat. No stable good looking man in their 30s will want a women who has been through 20+ dudes, especially when that women rejected them in their 20s. So what do the guys in their 30s do? Go back to the well of young 20s some girls

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I don't really dispute any of that. i think the point i'm driving at is it's difficult to have success dating (as in finding and marrying someone and having a healthy relationship) if you approach it like a sociology/biology experiment, which is what many men in that community were doing.

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The problem with dating is that a huge percentage of young men are at home pleasuring themselves to pornography. The impetus to date used to be satisfying a normal sexual urge. That urge is now satisfied through electronic and manual stimulation. Porn is ruining normal dating and relationships. It's poison.

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trust me guys would rather be with a girl than have it done manually by themselves

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Given how hard most dudes have to work to get it with social media? I don't think this is true anymore. Unless you're a Chad who looks like Chris Hemsworth, then it's going to suck on dating apps.

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I don't really dispute any of that. i think the point i'm driving at is it's difficult to have success dating (as in finding and marrying someone and having a healthy relationship) if you approach it like a sociology/biology experiment, which is what many men in that community were doing.

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The problem with dating is that a huge percentage of young men are at home pleasuring themselves to pornography. The impetus to date used to be satisfying a normal sexual urge. That urge is now satisfied through electronic and manual stimulation. Porn is ruining normal dating and relationships. It's poison.

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trust me guys would rather be with a girl than have it done manually by themselves

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They would rather be with a girl, but that takes a bit of work. Watching porn and jerking is easy. Porn ruins relationships before they start. There is a reason young girls are having a difficult time finding dates. Their potential dates are watching porn and jerking.

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Yeah that's not the reason women have a hard time. The reason they have issues is because they suffer from the fallacy of choice. That is, they get hundreds of responses every day, which means they get an overinflated sense of self worth. As a result they begin to automatically filter out anyone who doesn't meet their unrealistic standards.

Dating apps and social media are for women what porn is for men. They destroy women and make their entire lives about validation.

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Old McDonald said:

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I don't really dispute any of that. i think the point i'm driving at is it's difficult to have success dating (as in finding and marrying someone and having a healthy relationship) if you approach it like a sociology/biology experiment, which is what many men in that community were doing.

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The problem with dating is that a huge percentage of young men are at home pleasuring themselves to pornography. The impetus to date used to be satisfying a normal sexual urge. That urge is now satisfied through electronic and manual stimulation. Porn is ruining normal dating and relationships. It's poison.

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trust me guys would rather be with a girl than have it done manually by themselves

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They would rather be with a girl, but that takes a bit of work. Watching porn and jerking is easy. Porn ruins relationships before they start. There is a reason young girls are having a difficult time finding dates. Their potential dates are watching porn and jerking.

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Young girls are not having trouble finding dates....... Most women I know in my age (mid 20s) have 5-6 guys who would eat that opportunity up

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Weird, because none of them are getting married or having kids.

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Just endless hookups, usually with the biggest *******s they can find.

15-20 years from now, they'll wonder why all of a sudden they're alone because few men want them as their looks fade.

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Which will cause the cycle to repeat. No stable good looking man in their 30s will want a women who has been through 20+ dudes, especially when that women rejected them in their 20s. So what do the guys in their 30s do? Go back to the well of young 20s some girls

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Most will likely just realize they're hosed and just give up even trying to find someone by that point.

How about men who go through multiple women?

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Old McDonald said:

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I don't really dispute any of that. i think the point i'm driving at is it's difficult to have success dating (as in finding and marrying someone and having a healthy relationship) if you approach it like a sociology/biology experiment, which is what many men in that community were doing.

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The problem with dating is that a huge percentage of young men are at home pleasuring themselves to pornography. The impetus to date used to be satisfying a normal sexual urge. That urge is now satisfied through electronic and manual stimulation. Porn is ruining normal dating and relationships. It's poison.

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trust me guys would rather be with a girl than have it done manually by themselves

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They would rather be with a girl, but that takes a bit of work. Watching porn and jerking is easy. Porn ruins relationships before they start. There is a reason young girls are having a difficult time finding dates. Their potential dates are watching porn and jerking.

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Young girls are not having trouble finding dates....... Most women I know in my age (mid 20s) have 5-6 guys who would eat that opportunity up

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Weird, because none of them are getting married or having kids.

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Well they have this thing called natural beauty due to their youth and most (not all) would rather cash it in getting with multiple guys and experiencing what all of them can offer rather than just settling with one

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Youth and natural beauty have been around forever. 22% of men 25-34 years of age live with their parents. 80% watch porn and pleasure themselves on a regular basis. Men used to aggressively pursue women and marry them so they could have sex. Now, men live with their parents and pleasure themselves. Porn ruins everything.

It's almost like a culture that treats "dating" as a source for personal achievement, gratification and entertainment isn't all that fulfilling. Go figure.

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I don't really dispute any of that. i think the point i'm driving at is it's difficult to have success dating (as in finding and marrying someone and having a healthy relationship) if you approach it like a sociology/biology experiment, which is what many men in that community were doing.

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The problem with dating is that a huge percentage of young men are at home pleasuring themselves to pornography. The impetus to date used to be satisfying a normal sexual urge. That urge is now satisfied through electronic and manual stimulation. Porn is ruining normal dating and relationships. It's poison.

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trust me guys would rather be with a girl than have it done manually by themselves

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They would rather be with a girl, but that takes a bit of work. Watching porn and jerking is easy. Porn ruins relationships before they start. There is a reason young girls are having a difficult time finding dates. Their potential dates are watching porn and jerking.

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Young girls are not having trouble finding dates....... Most women I know in my age (mid 20s) have 5-6 guys who would eat that opportunity up

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They are expecting a non stop rom com with Bradley Cooper.

Japan is what a country looks like with runaway hypergamy. 70% of Japanese men are herbivore men who have quit all society. Since the 80/20 rule comes into play, the women haven't even really noticed or changed their behaviors.

It will be interesting to watch Japan as their birth rates fall through the floor. I have read the Japanese government is absolutely in a panic.

China and other Asian countries have similar issues to Japan about hypergamy.

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How about men who go through multiple women?

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Well that's different....so shut up....

That's depressing.

In a cultural arrangement where men and women don't need each other, we're all going to just amuse ourselves into oblivion.

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That's depressing.

In a cultural arrangement where men and women don't need each other, we're all going to just amuse ourselves into oblivion.

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This is very true and likely the future. Women dont need men anymore because they have their own careers and can have babies via artificial insemination. Men dont need women anymore because they have their dolls and VR porn.

We are going to become a sexless society lol.

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That's depressing.

In a cultural arrangement where men and women don't need each other, we're all going to just amuse ourselves into oblivion.

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Guarantee the governments have already developed artificial wombs and will be spitting out clones or non clone babies out in the open soon if there's not some war or conflict that resets gender norms.

**** no

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**** no

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Its already been happening in all likelihood. Remember Dolly the sheep? That was the powers that be offering some soft disclosure. The capability has been around for decades and if you're a country like Chyna who has little value on human life there's no reason to not fool around with cloning and or genetic modification.

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Japan is what a country looks like with runaway hypergamy. 70% of Japanese men are herbivore men who have quit all society. Since the 80/20 rule comes into play, the women haven't even really noticed or changed their behaviors.

It will be interesting to watch Japan as their birth rates fall through the floor. I have read the Japanese government is absolutely in a panic.

China and other Asian countries have similar issues to Japan about hypergamy.

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You know I am very anti China, but I do believe they have been watching us and specifically japan, which is why you see them pushing masculine and traditional values. They understand that society will collapse if all else fails. I looked into Japan's dating scene and it looks like Japan was experiencing what we are going through now ~30 years ago and it has evolved into their nightmare scenario now. I have no doubt I'll find a woman to have kids and get married, but I'm more concerned about the world my future kids (especially son) would grow up in

Edit: would like to add that Japan has also neutered fields that have made men successful. In the USA, you can overcome the hypergamy hurdle and get a good girl by becoming an engineer, doctor, lawyer, investment banker, etc. but in Japan, they have essentially destroyed all those fields, as they all make around 70-80k, and on top of much much lower pay they pay for insanely high taxes in their entitlement society. This is why we must resist the liberal movement and block their agenda at every turn