Active duty Marine just threw away his 17 year career

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Eliminatus
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Not sure if I really wanted to post this for a couple of reasons. First, he is going to burn for this. That is a given. He knows this and acknowledges it though. But he is putting his career on the line because he is disgusted as a person and as a human. The second reason is that I have never agreed on making statements in uniform. Marines are indoctrinated from day one of boot or OCS that this is a mortal sin and I generally agree with that sentiment. As with most things though, there are exceptions.

This current situation is unlike anything else we have faced and our military is being asked to do the literal impossible with zero support or backing. They know the score right now. They know who's fault this is. And this man acknowledges that he is ready and willing to risk his career to ask who is accountable. Marines march in lockstop with our government always. It is our part of our ethos. But generation after generation of neglect and being used as political tools....when is it enough? I lived through the PR witch hunts of combat of the middle phase of the war. The US government was just another opponent to its Marines and it always felt like we were so alone out there. It sucked but that still doesn't match what is occurring right now. This is a man who knows what his message is going to do to him but he is asking anyways. And I applaud that. Our warfighters deserve better and my thoughts of messages in uniform are superseded by more Marines dying pointlessly. Plus, I am a civilian now and can think freely again so I don't feel bad about that.

Facebook only I think.It's a 5 min video. SFW btw. Not a rant.

https://www.facebook.com/100029569003221/videos/561114034931173/


ETA: For those who can't watch, it is an active duty 0-5 who gives his name, rank, and current position. He acknowledges the levity of the video he is making multiple times to say that he has lost faith in his own senior leadership and wants to see accountability. Delivered not with a passionate rant but more of a man who is just exhausted and wants better for himself and the Marine Corps.
fka ftc
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Eliminatus said:

Not sure if I really wanted to post this for a couple of reasons. First, he is going to burn for this. That is a given. He knows this and acknowledges it though. But he is putting his career on the line because he is disgusted as a person and as a human. The second reason is that I have never agreed on making statements in uniform. Marines are indoctrinated from day one of boot or OCS that this is a mortal sin and I generally agree with that sentiment. As with most things though, there are exceptions.


Your principals are telling you to take it down. Listen to them.

You can report back a synopsis of what he is saying and he can remain more under the radar.

Just my thoughts.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown

"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
cbr
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Of everything as bad as i have read, this brings tears to my eyes. Such real americans as this, who have not yet been corrupted or weeded out by our anti american senior leadership, are really the last hope of the free world. We need men like this in uniform, and the depths of morale caused by such corrupted leadership can never be overstated.
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fka ftc said:

Eliminatus said:

Not sure if I really wanted to post this for a couple of reasons. First, he is going to burn for this. That is a given. He knows this and acknowledges it though. But he is putting his career on the line because he is disgusted as a person and as a human. The second reason is that I have never agreed on making statements in uniform. Marines are indoctrinated from day one of boot or OCS that this is a mortal sin and I generally agree with that sentiment. As with most things though, there are exceptions.


Your principals are telling you to take it down. Listen to them.

You can report back a synopsis of what he is saying and he can remain more under the radar.

Just my thoughts.
That was my definitely my first and even second thoughts but he wants this out. Why post it to FB in the first place and he freely acknowledges the danger his career is in. He is doing it to strengthen his conviction and his message and not to browbeat and I can respect that in this instance.

And the message is already out. There is no takebacks as we know from the internet. TA is not going to move that meter enough to make a difference at this point anyways. His superiors are going to find out regardless now. Might as well make the end of his career meaningful and hear what he wanted to say.
tremble
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From my friends on the AD side I can tell you these thoughts are not uncommon right now.
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Surprised it took him 17 years to realize senior leadership is trash.
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Eliminatus
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tremble said:

From my friends on the AD side I can tell you these thoughts are not uncommon right now.
I will go so far as to say it is actually common. I came from the enlisted combat arms side and the guys who stayed in after me have been leaving in droves. These are all combat tested senior non commissioned officers that were still in combat arms units. Mix of line companies and SF. In the past 18 months alone I personally know one E6 and four E7's have retired just a few years early of retirement. They were just exhausted too and had lost faith as well and called it quits. These men have an absurd number of combat awards for valor and leadership between them and they all had just finally had enough of the BS and the wanton use of their bodies and minds to further the goals of the "sophisticated".

fka ftc
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Understood and the responsibility is on him and not you.

If Libs do one thing well, they get these messages broadcast and then cite an anonymous source.

And I also think tides are changing. I know there had to been plenty of military folks on the twitter / Facebook saying inflammatory / political musings in Summer 2020. Punish one punish them all.
"The absence of the word accountability is not the same as wanting no accountability" -unknown

"You can never go wrong by staying silent if there is nothing apt to say" -Walter Isaacson
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He took the risk and is making a very bold and impressive stand. Glad had a call to the west coast where could see this. Normally would be asleep.

Since he has already made the stand, it does no justice to seek to not give him his voice.

He is absolutely right about this present situation for sure. In earlier times, mass sackings and resignations of high rank would would be in the mix, perhaps even an atonement suicide here or there.

But this admin is not loyal to the interests of the productive and those that sacrifice. Neither are its mouthpieces.

That many are leaving in droves is more than understandable.

ham98
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Quote:

There is a great deal of talk about loyalty from the bottom to the top. Loyalty from the top down is even more necessary and much less prevalent. -George S. Patton
The current leadership has no loyalty to the boots on the ground.
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LOL!!
FrioAg 00
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If we have ANY chance of saving this country before it's too late, a LOT of us are going to have to start sacrificing our comfort, our job security and our hope that somehow inaction will turn things around.

Every man who signed the Declaration of Independence that started this country knew that they faced giving up everything including their lives - and they decided the dream that was America is worth it.

It's time for this generation to decide what the dream of America is worth.
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Eliminatus said:

fka ftc said:

Eliminatus said:

Not sure if I really wanted to post this for a couple of reasons. First, he is going to burn for this. That is a given. He knows this and acknowledges it though. But he is putting his career on the line because he is disgusted as a person and as a human. The second reason is that I have never agreed on making statements in uniform. Marines are indoctrinated from day one of boot or OCS that this is a mortal sin and I generally agree with that sentiment. As with most things though, there are exceptions.


Your principals are telling you to take it down. Listen to them.

You can report back a synopsis of what he is saying and he can remain more under the radar.

Just my thoughts.
That was my definitely my first and even second thoughts but he wants this out. Why post it to FB in the first place and he freely acknowledges the danger his career is in. He is doing it to strengthen his conviction and his message and not to browbeat and I can respect that in this instance.

And the message is already out. There is no takebacks as we know from the internet. TA is not going to move that meter enough to make a difference at this point anyways. His superiors are going to find out regardless now. Might as well make the end of his career meaningful and hear what he wanted to say.


I just saw this post. I do not have time to read it this morning but I will and will share.

I took an oath to protect and defend the constitution earlier this year and have struggled which what that means when whatching.nefarious groups that placed within the upper most echelon's of the US Government are violating principles of the constitution. The struggle is to know when it is time to stop because I value supporting the mission. I understand there will always be folks that are pukes ..but those.folks are just pukes. They are making reck-less decisions that are getting soldiers needlessly killed.

What is the appropriate response when it is the president, VP , SECDEF and others that are abusing the constitution?


Eliminatus
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FCBlitz said:

Eliminatus said:

fka ftc said:

Eliminatus said:

Not sure if I really wanted to post this for a couple of reasons. First, he is going to burn for this. That is a given. He knows this and acknowledges it though. But he is putting his career on the line because he is disgusted as a person and as a human. The second reason is that I have never agreed on making statements in uniform. Marines are indoctrinated from day one of boot or OCS that this is a mortal sin and I generally agree with that sentiment. As with most things though, there are exceptions.


Your principals are telling you to take it down. Listen to them.

You can report back a synopsis of what he is saying and he can remain more under the radar.

Just my thoughts.
That was my definitely my first and even second thoughts but he wants this out. Why post it to FB in the first place and he freely acknowledges the danger his career is in. He is doing it to strengthen his conviction and his message and not to browbeat and I can respect that in this instance.

And the message is already out. There is no takebacks as we know from the internet. TA is not going to move that meter enough to make a difference at this point anyways. His superiors are going to find out regardless now. Might as well make the end of his career meaningful and hear what he wanted to say.


I just saw this post. I do not have time to read it this morning but I will and will share.

I took an oath to protect and defend the constitution earlier this year and have struggled which what that means when whatching.nefarious groups that placed within the upper most echelon's of the US Government are violating principles of the constitution. The struggle is know when it is time to stop because I value supporting the mission. I understand there will always be folks that are pukes ..but those.folks are just pukes. They are not making reck-less decisions that are getting soldiers needlessly killed.

What is the appropriate response when it is the president, VP , SECDEF and others that are abusing the constitution?





Your last question is so hard. We ask so much of our service men and women. Be hard, be soft, be deadly, be supportive. One village you are in kinetic warfare killing everything that doesn't wear the same uniform as you do and the next village you are playing soccer with kids and giving out candy. They are asked to be the deadliest warfighters and the kindest aid workers and everything in between.

But above all else, they are asked to be moral men and women. And therein lies the problem. You have to be able to recognize right and wrong. But then are you supposed to turn that off when you look at your own side? I have no real idea. I can't answer for everyone. I think that it largely has to come down to an individual choice. And I will state my opinion bluntly. What the Biden administration is doing is not right. And I know I'm not the only one and that internal conflict in our service people is a big problem right now.

I consider myself a fairly strong minded individual in most situations. But I saw that video of that young woman pressed up against a fence and begging for help a couple of days ago. That legitimately broke my heart. That desperation and terror in her voice is something that could never be faked. And just on the other side of that fence was a Marine who was likely not much older who had to stand there and watch and listen, unable to do anything. I pity the mental anguish that jarhead had to be going through because I felt it myself. He was trained to act and he couldn't. I can personally say that for some it's not the actions that you did that stay with you. Sometimes it's the things you didn't, or couldn't, do that haunt you forever.

So what do you do? Damn tough to answer.....

And regardless of all that, congratulations on entering service or reupping!
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FrioAg 00 said:

If we have ANY chance of saving this country before it's too late, a LOT of us are going to have to start sacrificing our comfort, our job security and our hope that somehow inaction will turn things around.

Every man who signed the Declaration of Independence that started this country knew that they faced giving up everything including their lives - and they decided the dream that was America is worth it.

It's time for this generation to decide what the dream of America is worth.


This...

Unfortunately comfort is addicting to most people. Theyll.give it up just as easily as an alcoholic will the bottle.
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If there is one saving grace for LtCol Scheller making this public call for senior leader accountability it is that the first General Officer in his chain of command is Dale Alford. There is no one with more personal courage wearing stars on their collar today than Dale Alford.


Quote:

"Wars and battles are not lost by private soldiers. They win them, but don't lose them. They are lost by commanders, staffs, and troop leaders, and they are often lost long before they start."
-Capt Samuel B. Griffith USMC, 1937


Quote:

"Not only must we not stifle boldness or initiative, but we must continue to encourage both traits in spite of mistakes. On the other hand, we should deal severely with errors of inaction or timidity. We will not accept lack of orders as justification for inaction; it is each Marine's duty to take initiative as the situation demands. We must not tolerate the avoidance of responsibility or necessary risk."
-FMFM 1 Warfighting


https://www.breaker.audio/controversy-and-clarity/e/80271668
Fishin Texas Aggie 05
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Is there a link to this anywhere else?

The video doesn't work on Facebook for me
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titan said:




Since he has already made the stand, it does no justice to seek to not give him his voice.





This! Everyone should hear this message that he is risking so much to get out.
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Brave man to do this. I 100% agree with him. Biden and the JCOS are nothing more than social justice warriors at this point. But, he's a marine officer, and this is not appropriate for a marine.
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I don't know that senior military leadership gave the White House advice that they ignored. I find it very difficult to believe that the senior leadership of the military did not advise against closing down Bagram and removing our troops before getting our civilians out.
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I don't see anything wrong with what he said.

If we have leaders that can't (or won't) step up like this guy to be willing to lose their careers, then why should any military person sign up to be willing to lose their lives?
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Eliminatus said:

tremble said:

From my friends on the AD side I can tell you these thoughts are not uncommon right now.
I will go so far as to say it is actually common. I came from the enlisted combat arms side and the guys who stayed in after me have been leaving in droves. These are all combat tested senior non commissioned officers that were still in combat arms units. Mix of line companies and SF. In the past 18 months alone I personally know one E6 and four E7's have retired just a few years early of retirement. They were just exhausted too and had lost faith as well and called it quits. These men have an absurd number of combat awards for valor and leadership between them and they all had just finally had enough of the BS and the wanton use of their bodies and minds to further the goals of the "sophisticated".


Destruction of America and our will and ability to police the world is priority #1 for anarchists and globalists. Transformation of the military is key to that. Elimination of patriotic moral fighting men from the ranks is a feature not a bug. Obama is pleased. Soros is pleased. Their plans are working.
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Stunning, I have no words
Agvet12
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This man has balls, Semper Fi Sir.

Barnyard96
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I went to Basic Training graduation last month and met some really great kids looking to better their lives. Its just a damn shame the leadership they have been dealt.
titan
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Ulysses90 said:

If there is one saving grace for LtCol Scheller making this public call for senior leader accountability it is that the first General Officer in his chain of command is Dale Alford. There is no one with more personal courage wearing stars on their collar today than Dale Alford.


Quote:

"Wars and battles are not lost by private soldiers. They win them, but don't lose them. They are lost by commanders, staffs, and troop leaders, and they are often lost long before they start."
-Capt Samuel B. Griffith USMC, 1937


Quote:

"Not only must we not stifle boldness or initiative, but we must continue to encourage both traits in spite of mistakes. On the other hand, we should deal severely with errors of inaction or timidity. We will not accept lack of orders as justification for inaction; it is each Marine's duty to take initiative as the situation demands. We must not tolerate the avoidance of responsibility or necessary risk."
-FMFM 1 Warfighting


https://www.breaker.audio/controversy-and-clarity/e/80271668
Very please to see this is still up on FB. When I happened to still be up to see it, assumed it was lucky and it would be gone.

What you point out is encouraging. His superior Alford may not have enough wiggle room to stave off the career consequences, but he just might be able to help see that the gist of the appeal actually gets wider attention up the chain.
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Looks like he said what a lot of others had been thinking based on the FB comments. He definitely put it all on the line. Thanks for posting.
titan
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The ones that really need to wake up are the members of the "profession" of journalism. By constantly enabling Left Democrats agendas with a blizzard of lies, gaslighting, and omissions, they more than any other are shredding the barriers against total government misconduct and despotism. They are supposed to `journalistically hate' in a philosophical sense, all government in the sense of treat it with distrust and suspicion and constantly do investigative reporting. Examples survive better overseas, and there are few here (Lara Logan).

But the majority are becoming enablers 24/7.

They are already at the stage where a somewhat shaky and concerned reporter very obviously had to ask a pre-prepared question and play a role with Biden in a speech. He looked like someone in a dictator's office being very careful to not mess up anything.

The next stage is where only the actual Goebbels of them are being allowed to be present.
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TheCougarHunter said:

Surprised it took him 17 years to realize senior leadership is trash.
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I hope he is pursuing accountability as a sitting member of Congress by the time he would have made his 20.
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FrioAg 00 said:


Every man who signed the Declaration of Independence that started this country knew that they faced giving up everything including their lives - and they decided the dream that was America is worth it.

It's time for this generation to decide what the dream of America is worth.


And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
Gilligan
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A lot of good Men and Women who have served over there are posting similar things.

It's tough! Listen and Love. They need an ear, shoulder and hugs.
titan
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SEC-Ag said:

I hope he is pursuing accountability as a sitting member of Congress by the time he would have made his 20.
That's by far the best thing all these betrayed vets can do. Enter local politics and go up the ladder and gradually by sheer numbers, like the Left did, extinguish Marxist thought and agendas in the institutions.
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TAMU1990 said:

I don't see anything wrong with what he said.

If we have leaders that can't (or won't) step up like this guy to be willing to lose their careers, then why should any military person sign up to be willing to lose their lives
While many of us may agree with his words, speaking out publicly against your higher ups is easily called out as insubordination. Worst case, he'll likely be removed for his post, tried under UCMJ, and dishonorably discharged.
Gig'Em and God Bless,

JB'91
 
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