rgag12 said:

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HumpitPuryear said:

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Hell I could have warned them and I have zero foreign intelligence experience. Anyone that has paid casual attention to our time in Afghanistan would know this. The Afghan government and military has been nothing but unreliable.

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You're right. I bet what happened was that over the course of 20 years people got complacent and never put much thought in to how a pull-out would work and how to execute it. People kept kicking the can down the road hoping that they wouldn't be the ones that would have to deal with it since it's so messy/complicated. They knew the Afghans would turn tail and didn't want to plan for it.

The problem is is that Joe tore up any remaining road to kick the can down very quickly and nobody had any idea what to do.

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Our military and state dept know exactly how to do this. But anti american commie **** stains are in charge of both at the highest levels and did not allow that expertise to deploy.

EXC: Joe Biden's State Dept Halted a Trump-Era 'Crisis Response' Plan Aimed at Avoiding Benghazi-Style Evacuations Just MONTHS Before Taliban Takeover. https://t.co/2mqLWv626K

— Raheem J. Kassam (@RaheemKassam) August 18, 2021

Taliban fighters have shot and beaten Afghan asylum-seekers trying to reach Kabul airport – threatening Australian plans to rescue up to 800 people.https://t.co/scXjbu5asx

— Sky News Australia (@SkyNewsAust) August 18, 2021

By the look of his reaction to me it looks like he was told not to answer that question and make no mention of diplomacy with the Taliban.

That's why they all keep reverting to the obvious company like of 'We've given instructions for Americans to make their way to the airport'.

No way they want to openly admit to negotiating with the Taliban.

Ag_07 said:

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By the look of his reaction to me it looks like he was told not to answer that question and make no mention of diplomacy with the Taliban.

That's why they all keep reverting to the obvious company like of 'We've given instructions for Americans to make their way to the airport'.

No way they want to openly admit to negotiating with the Taliban.

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You're exactly right, and honestly we could retake Kabul if we really wanted too to secure it. We have he forces in the area within 48hrs to pull it off (mobilizing MEU, and from Oki and Germany ect)

We won't because we'd rather be lazy and pay our way out and believe the Taliban

Agvet12 said:

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Ag_07 said:

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By the look of his reaction to me it looks like he was told not to answer that question and make no mention of diplomacy with the Taliban.

That's why they all keep reverting to the obvious company like of 'We've given instructions for Americans to make their way to the airport'.

No way they want to openly admit to negotiating with the Taliban.

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You're exactly right, and honestly we could retake Kabul if we really wanted too to secure it. We have he forces in the area within 48hrs to pull it off (mobilizing MEU, and from Oki and Germany ect)

We won't because we'd rather be lazy and pay our way out and believe the Taliban

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Disagree. We now have thousands of troops that are surrounded at the airport not to mention thousands of American civilians that are effectively hostages.

It is being reported that the Taliban have set up checkpoints in the city and are preventing any Afghans with travel docs from reaching the airport...

aggiehawg said:

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Agvet12 said:

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Ag_07 said:

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By the look of his reaction to me it looks like he was told not to answer that question and make no mention of diplomacy with the Taliban.

That's why they all keep reverting to the obvious company like of 'We've given instructions for Americans to make their way to the airport'.

No way they want to openly admit to negotiating with the Taliban.

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You're exactly right, and honestly we could retake Kabul if we really wanted too to secure it. We have he forces in the area within 48hrs to pull it off (mobilizing MEU, and from Oki and Germany ect)

We won't because we'd rather be lazy and pay our way out and believe the Taliban

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Disagree. We now have thousands of troops that are surrounded at the airport not to mention thousands of American civilians that are effectively hostages.

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If we had the stomach for it, we could and we would, we don't hence why we allowed ourselves to be trapped in the low ground of an indefensible position at Kabul Air port without owning the hills or even trying to own them. We put ourselves in this position because of CRT politician generals and Obama era regulations for military standards (whose in whose out)

We could with numbers in Oki, ME, and MEU numbers we won't because we're going to pay $$ that make the recent stimulus bills look like child's play

Well, there's having "the stomach" for something and having the stomach for intentionally putting American and Afghan civilians, not to mention the civilians of our allies into harm's way on purpose.

Which is probably the reason why the decision was made to blindside our allies and not give them the heads up to get their own people the hell out of there before we pulled the plug.

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Agthatbuilds said:

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An extraordinary and moving speech from veteran MP Tom Tugendhat, with very harsh words for President Biden on Afghanistan

“To see their commander in chief call into question the courage of men I fought with, is shameful.” pic.twitter.com/ZgEEHwD9MI

— James Longman (@JamesAALongman) August 18, 2021

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That speech is the first time in my life I have been embarrassed to be an American.

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Seeing this picture posted earlier from Twitter was the first time I have been ashamed to be an American. I'm proud of all of our servicemen, specifically the airman who gave his blouse to this child. But I'm ashamed and the speech just made it worse.

I think the time has come for the taliban to attack the airport.

If they attack now inflicting mass casualties, they will throw the usa into complete disarray. Probably more disarray than we've ever encountered in modern times. Throw that on top of our domestic struggles and it could be a blow that knocks us out for a while.

And, the taliban could promote the fact they not only pushed out the greatest military in the world, the caused the leaders of their govt to fall.

It would also probably guarantee the taliban will no longer exist.

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I think the time has come for the taliban to attack the airport.

If they attack now inflicting mass casualties, they will throw the usa into complete disarray. Probably more disarray than we've ever encountered in modern times. Throw that on top of our domestic struggles and it could be a blow that knocks us out for a while.

And, the taliban could promote the fact they not only pushed out the greatest military in the world, the caused the leaders of their govt to fall.

It would also probably guarantee the taliban will no longer exist.

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Lol, they are working WITH the people running our government at this point. They dont want to push us into actual rebellion domestically. They are having too much success with voter fraud, and death by a thousand little cuts.

HumpitPuryear said:

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Par for the Biden administration. Sounds just like Garland's response to Abbott on the border issues - "American citizens stand aside while we import low-skill peasants that will vote Democrat."

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Well, the other day there were tweets about "American privilege." Guess Biden's folks didn't like that so they'll leave our folks to die unless they're lucky enough to survive until all the non-Americans have been extracted.

Agvet12 said:

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Ag_07 said:

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By the look of his reaction to me it looks like he was told not to answer that question and make no mention of diplomacy with the Taliban.

That's why they all keep reverting to the obvious company like of 'We've given instructions for Americans to make their way to the airport'.

No way they want to openly admit to negotiating with the Taliban.

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You're exactly right, and honestly we could retake Kabul if we really wanted too to secure it. We have he forces in the area within 48hrs to pull it off (mobilizing MEU, and from Oki and Germany ect)

We won't because we'd rather be lazy and pay our way out and believe the Taliban

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LOL no we couldn't. We could hit a few Taliban with smart munitions but they effectively have thousands of Americans as hostages right now. To take Kabul would be a running battle on multiple fronts in an urban city where Taliban has all of the advantages and they would just start killing Americans and posting the videos on the web. We can threaten them with retaliation or incentivize them with cash. Those are the two cards we are holding. It's not a strong hand. And that doesn't even account for the fact that the Taliban leadership has only very loose control of their own army. Rouge cowboys could start a ****storm at any moment.

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This is essentially a mass scale hostage situation and we're reduced to negotiating with terrorists

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Until the B-52s are flying over Kabul, there is no leverage for negotiation.. I know they've been refueling off Qatar, hopefully they are on-station if things go south.

Though it wouldn't surprise me if the yahoos in the State Dept. are holding them back because they believe the BS that the Taliban will let the americans leave.

That would be a huge mistake for them.

Right now they're getting paid while still making headway towards complete takeover. They don't want to bite the hand that is feeding them and force us into bombing the shlt out of Kabul.

They'll sit back and collect the pallets of cash we're sending them until everyone is gone then the shlt will really hit the fan.

They've got us by the nuts without even engaging.

From a strategic standpoint we're ****ed. The least risky option now is to hope the Taliban will let people through. If we try to go on the offensive any Americans that are left will be found and killed much faster than we can get troops to them.

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10,000+ and you get out 325 US Citizens?

DOD: In the last 24 hours, C-17s have flown out 2,000 passengers, 325 of those are American citizens.

— Kristina Wong 🇺🇸 (@kristina_wong) August 18, 2021

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On top of that imagine you are in an area about the size of Texas and you are told you must travel through hostile controlled territory to Houston IAH if you want to get out.

Nobody is coming for you, you are on your own. Good Luck.

I agree. It would be stupid in the long run. Probably the short term too.


But, the are some potential big *rewards if the taliban wants to take the risk, if they don't really care about world perception

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JobSecurity said:

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This is essentially a mass scale hostage situation and we're reduced to negotiating with terrorists

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Until the B-52s are flying over Kabul, there is no leverage. I know they've been refueling off Qatar, hopefully they are on-station if things go south.

Though it wouldn't surprise me if the yahoos in the State Dept. are holding them back because they believe the BS that the Taliban will let the americans leave.

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I'm inclined to believe the Taliban will let Americans leave. They've humiliated Biden, and the last thing they want is to give the US a reason to come back. Kill Americans, and Biden will be caught between exacting retribution and political suicide. There's no benefit to them.

Aeropuerto de Kabul ahora mismo.

Justo donde decía Marlaska que era seguro del tó. pic.twitter.com/kNlCQtAacC

— Mr Grome (@Gromenauerh) August 18, 2021

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Kabul airport right now. Right where Marlaska said it was safe to the tune.

BIG BREAKING 🚨 : Heavy firing at #Kabul Airport#Afghanistan #kabulairport #Taliban #Kabul pic.twitter.com/MB1ocZDX7x

— 𝕶𝖗𝖎𝖘𝖍𝖓𝖆🍥🇮🇳 | shadowbanned for life🤘🏼 (@krishnajindal07) August 18, 2021

NOW on the way to the entrance to #kabul airport.. humanitarian disaster @BorisJohnson @DominicRaab @ZacGoldsmith @POTUS @JoeBiden @cnnbrk @FoxNews @USEmbassyKabul @10DowningStreet @SkyNews @TheSun @BWallaceMP @SecDef @tariqahmadbt @nadams You MUST get a grip of this. NOW pic.twitter.com/KMQcPnrYQz

— Pen Farthing (@PenFarthing) August 18, 2021

Agthatbuilds said:

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will25u said:

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How about not worrying about future events, WHEN WE STILL HAVE AMERICAN CITIZENS IN DANGER!

"The United States and the international community will be vigilant in monitoring how any future government in Afghanistan ensures the rights and freedoms that women and girls in that country have come to expect," said @DeputySecState. pic.twitter.com/HVOPyCSLMe

— USA TODAY (@USATODAY) August 18, 2021

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Monitor all you want. The taliban doesn't care (neither does China, russia, Pakistan, nor Iran)

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But we affirmed our commitment to monitor the situation! Affirmed I tell you!

Is that a dude with a handgun firing at our troops?

ABATTBQ11 said:

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deddog said:

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JobSecurity said:

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This is essentially a mass scale hostage situation and we're reduced to negotiating with terrorists

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Until the B-52s are flying over Kabul, there is no leverage. I know they've been refueling off Qatar, hopefully they are on-station if things go south.

Though it wouldn't surprise me if the yahoos in the State Dept. are holding them back because they believe the BS that the Taliban will let the americans leave.

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I'm inclined to believe the Taliban will let Americans leave. They've humiliated Biden, and the last thing they want is to give the US a reason to come back. Kill Americans, and Biden will be caught between exacting retribution and political suicide. There's no benefit to them.

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Agreed, except their boots on the ground are lusting for revenge and the situation is very chaotic

The Pentagon publishes the first official photos of the US military presence at the Kabul airport. pic.twitter.com/tzS8ZW7pyU

— syrseal (@syrseal44) August 18, 2021

We have any snipers there in the airport?

Some antagonistic will want to start a battle, this is my biggest fear.

. @NATO HQ in #Kabul after evacuation pic.twitter.com/QQJ1scgpGs

— AJ News Club (@ajnewsclub) August 18, 2021

The fact that we have no problem defending an airport in a foreign country that is used to block citizens of that country from gaining freedom, but can't seem to find any possible way of defending our southern border from COVID positive migrants entering our country and spreading illness and who knows what else is disgusting.

I'm starting to become ashamed of what this country has become and only a few years ago I was willing to risk my life for this country.

Just saddned.