Consolidated Fall of Kabul Update Thread

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If true this is sickening.
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Tom Doniphon said:

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When we leave all those people left at that airport are dead.

100%

We could not have drawn up a more miserable plan than the pieces of sht we have currentlt have running our government. Joe Biden sent thousands of women and children to their graves while allowing a terrorist regime to confiscate our tax dollars

It honestly is one of our darkest days in American military history. Our president and the people that voted for him just surrendered to terrorists. Jimmy Carter's gave them 52, Biden gave them thousands.
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More than those who died on 9/11
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Wonder where that came from? I'd love to know if it's true.
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Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
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Get ready for this...they, Biden, will go on and tell everybody it was a success because no one died during the evac. Fact checkers will tell us it's true, because people were slaughtered after the withdrawal.

It's disgusting and can be seen a mile away. Just like everything this administration does, lie lie lie, and the sheep will eat it up. It's terrible, but the half of America not paying attention won't notice unless something major happens.
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Ukraine Gas Expert said:

Get ready for this...they, Biden, will go on and tell everybody it was a success because no one died during the evac. Fact checkers will tell us it's true, because people were slaughtered after the withdrawal.

It's disgusting and can be seen a mile away. Just like everything this administration does, lie lie lie, and the sheep will eat it up. It's terrible, but the half of America not paying attention won't notice unless when something major happens.
FIFY. It is not if, it is when.
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Ukraine Gas Expert said:

Get ready for this...they, Biden, will go on and tell everybody it was a success because no one died during the evac. Fact checkers will tell us it's true, because people were slaughtered after the withdrawal.

It's disgusting and can be seen a mile away. Just like everything this administration does, lie lie lie, and the sheep will eat it up. It's terrible, but the half of America not paying attention won't notice unless something major happens.

The narrative has already been set in motion, was a few days back. Anyone that didn't make must have wanted to stay. Sad..
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Just posting info - no idea how much is true or confirmed.
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KABUL: CDN has received information from a military officer on the ground in Kabul, Afghanistan. Stationed at the Hamid Karzai International Airport, he feels that Americans do not understand the gravity of the situation on the ground. His assessment? Our situation is grave, and quickly deteriorating.

The evacuation at Kabul is hampered by one crisis, after another
The first, and most important, is that there is no more jet fuel available at the airport. And none is expected to arrive. This means that the C-17 transports, and civilian airliners who are now a part of the evacuation, need to land with sufficient fuel to take off again.

The civilian aircraft must have fuel enough to fly to a base close enough to land and refuel.

Air Force transports need enough fuel to take off and then meet a refueling tanker to make it to their destination. As often as aerial refueling takes place, accidents do happen, from disastrous to minor, like a clogged refueling head. With a C-17 fully loaded with 600+ passengers, a minor problem quickly becomes a catastrophe.


Presently there are 10,000 (or so) American citizens surrounded inside Kabul.
Other estimates are that the number, not just in Kabul but in surrounding towns, is closer to 100,000. Add in the Afghanis we are morally obliged to assist and that number could be 250,000. The Biden administration has no idea of the exact number. No one does.

Reports are making their way that indicate that the Taliban is not allowing safe passage for American citizens to the airport. In fact, some who have made it to the airport stated that they were beaten by the Taliban. Once at the airport, there is complete chaos. Security forces have been unable to get things under control.

Biden and his spokesperson, Psaki, claim over and over no one is being stranded in one breath. And then suggest those that are stranded check the .gov websites. The message being that everyone must make it to the airport on their own. And you will be billed.

The cost to the world of Biden's weak anti-American Afghanistan policies
There have been reports that ISIS sympathizers are planning an attack of some type on those inside the airport.
This may or may not happen, but it is what is being said in Kabul. However, the chaos inside the airport is only half of the problem as there is also total chaos on the flight line.

As told by the military officer,

"In order for the C-17As to perform their assigned emergency war order (EWO) evac (evacuation) mission, they must flight plan to arrive with minimum fuel to support a max Pax (passenger) load, on-load 640 (people), depart down a potentially obstructed runway, then immediately hit a tanker BINGO (low on) fuel over enemy-held territory.
"A non-functioning tanker AAR boom, boost pump, nozzle probe/latch (and) ~700 Americans become glider Pax to an unimproved field, forced landing behind Taliban lines, no long-range CSAR (Combat Search and Rescue) available for hours, no mass-casualty CSAR capability, whatsoever."
To compound those problems, the airport no longer has functioning navigational aids, like ground approach radar, or an ILS (instrument landing system), much less a functional control tower, or en route air traffic control. There is no weather station, no maintenance facilities, no spare parts, ground support equipment, no crash recovery team/equipment/medical/emergency room, nor an array of other normal airport management that makes an airport operate.

Air Force Special Operations Command has sent in small teams of operators to handle normal air traffic control and supply weather reports.

While trained to do exactly this in a combat environment, these TACP (tactical air control party) teams are stretched to the maximum to provide these operations.

Joe Biden: A legacy of failure after only eight months (and 47 years)
As part of a TACP, their job is to capture an airport in combat and maintain it long enough to expand past the airport perimeter.
While Army and Marines are expanding beyond the airport, teams of air traffic controllers, radar and navigation specialists, and ground maintenance are supposed to arrive to turn the captured airfield into a base of operations. The TACPs job then moves forward with the infantry.

That is how it is supposed to work; however, Ole Joe doesn't understand this and is too stubborn to listen to his generals who know it. On top of not listening to how the evacuation should be run, is Biden's refusal to listen to his generals. Generals who stated that Bagram Air Base was a better location to withdraw from. But he ignored the advice and set American's future in place.

Let us repeat.. Biden ignored the generals and created this life-threatening chaos.

Bagram Air Base was stocked with all the radars, navigational aids, fuel, parts, airport management, and air traffic control necessary to make an orderly withdrawal.
It was already prepared to defend, with sufficient manpower to keep an enemy at bay. Instead, he decided to withdraw, handing all of this equipment to the Taliban, and to hold the much smaller, undefended, Hamid Karzai International Airport.

Instead of maintaining an already manned, functional, and defensible airdrome, Biden has sent in 6,000 combat troops from the Air Force, Army, and Marine Corps. The 82d Airborne is holding the outer perimeter, and U.S. Marines have close-in security. While Air Force man the control tower, ramp, and runways.

One mistake, one negligent weapon discharge, one smuggled hand grenade, and there could be a mass blood bath on the Kabul Airfield. Remember, the Taliban and ISIS are pro-suicide Jihadists who use human bombs as weapons of war. It has not yet happened, but we are relying on murderous barbarians to keep the peace. Not what a real leader would do.

A lot can still go wrong, and Biden is holding his breath hoping that the Taliban and ISIS do not escalate the chaos already occurring at the Kabul Airport. If he is aware that his breath should be held.

The lives of upward of 10,000 Americans lie in the hands of the Taliban, those people who are now shouting "Death to America."
What else could go wrong? As the youth of America likes to say "Hold my beer." It is going to get worse. The humiliation, the deaths, and the loss of America's standing in the world. It will all get worse. Because Biden is not using any of the US powers to stop it. The US could still bomb the Taliban back to the stone age from which they are emerging, wearing US military camouflage and carrying US weapons.

The only conclusion we can make is that what is happening in Afghanistan is exactly what Joe Biden wants to happen. President Trump left a blueprint remove the people, the weapons and then blow up everything we don't want them to have. Joe Biden ignored that as well.

CDN is the recipient of this information, and we can not confirm these reports, however, the officer is known as reliable, and therefore we take his reporting to this writer as being truthful.
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I'm still waiting on my e-mail apology on why I got banned for saying it was a "stupid vote for a stupid person". You guys have my e-mail because I was right and I'm not asking for flowers or chocolates. A simple acknowledgement of a mistake would be OK.

This whole Afghanistan mess is costing thousands of lives and sentencing thousands of more girls to sexual slavery with terrorist "husbands". That is not OK. It's not OK that we gave these *******s millions in military equipment that they can use against us.

I'm not sorry for saying that it was a bad vote to elect this buffoon. You should have the balls to admit that you were wrong to ban me for saying as much.
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Sorry for posting "comedy" breaks.

I am really starting to get apprehensive as to what comes next.


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This pisses me off to no end.

Propaganda Video.
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Clowns like this will come out to lie under oath to encourage an impeachment based on false charges.

I'm waiting for someone to step up and tell the truth here.

I doubt it will come from SECDEF Austin or Thoroughly Modern Milley.

But I'm hoping someone who has been in the thick of this surrender will step forward to expose it all.

We are about to witness one of the greatest attempts at gaslighting this nation has ever witnessed.

It would be helpful for people to know the truth from those who experienced the consequences of this President's alliance with, and surrender to, the Taliban.



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TChaney said:

I don't know this guy and did not watch the full video but I agree with his intro statement.

The media is prepping to turn this around to "one of the greatest military evacuations of all time"
I'm sure any blame will be pointed towards Trump.


From a direct command perspective, it may be one of the greatest military evacuations of all time. The armed forces is killing it. 800 people on a c-17? Pretty sure they cleared 500 dozens of times.

The Army (assuming Army) helicopters are owning the immediate air space.

The Army/Navy/Air Force/Marines are winning the '**** you, no **** YOU.' shouting matches at the gate.

The obvious comparisons are Berlin, Saigon, and Dunkirk.

The politicians can go **** themselves.
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Will it still count if you evacuate the locals and leave your own people behind?


I am in no way knocking the troops on the ground. All of them, not just our American soldiers.
It won't happen but it looks like we need to clean house on the upper military command, State Department and DoD.
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What's happening now doesn't compare to Gallipoli, Dunkirk or Chosin.
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I don't know the answer to this, I suppose no one does, but the number of Americans evacuated, roughly 4,000 the last time I saw it reported, seems like a number far lower than I would expect to be in a place that we've been embedded for two decades. There's Americans with dog shelters ffs - we've spent two trillion on that hell hole - it sure seems to me like there could be far more people there that need to come home not just in Kabul, but across the entire country?

Are we doing these pickups across the country covertly? I've seen conflicting reports on whether or not people have been evacuated to the airport who were originally located elsewhere.

Do these people not have access to the internet? Do they not exist? Have the Tollybon already got to them? The only report I've seen is about those kids taking a field trip from California. How is that possible? The administration and foreign media has plainly said we won't be able to get everyone out by August 31, well, who are they and where are they?
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As often as aerial refueling takes place, accidents do happen, from disastrous to minor,
My Favorite Pilot broke a tanker, not once, but twice, so it happens.

To be fair, it was equipment, malfunction, not anything they did, but still fun to give them crap over.

Fortunately, happened stateside during training, so no emergency.
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Ag In Ok said:

What's happening now doesn't compare to Gallipoli, Dunkirk or Chosin.
Gallipoli seems closest, as it was an operation that failed miserably due to the higher-ups.

I recall that Churchill was one of the guys who screwed it up, though he redeemed himself in WWII.

Biden has been a screwup his entire life, this is just the cherry on his poop sundae of a career.
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We are about to witness one of the greatest attempts at gaslighting this nation has ever witnessed.
The gaslighting is not going to work though. The military vets know they have been betrayed, all the work cast aside. If all works well, we will get a very angry and anti-Left element coming back that in time will do to Progressive DC what Ataturk did to the Sultanate.
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FriscoKid said:

I'm still waiting on my e-mail apology on why I got banned for saying it was a "stupid vote for a stupid person". You guys have my e-mail because I was right and I'm not asking for flowers or chocolates. A simple acknowledgement of a mistake would be OK.

This whole Afghanistan mess is costing thousands of lives and sentencing thousands of more girls to sexual slavery with terrorist "husbands". That is not OK. It's not OK that we gave these *******s millions in military equipment that they can use against us.

I'm not sorry for saying that it was a bad vote to elect this buffoon. You should have the balls to admit that you were wrong to ban me for saying as much.
Depending on the mod, the smugness and condescension is pretty amazing, got a Gig'em for a 12 hour ban. They also cover for people like Slocum on a mobile. When he clearly lost a debate and embarrassed himself, they erased everything he posted including people that replied to him. Then he comes back to the same thread and embarrasses himself again. He shouldn't have been allowed back on that thread.
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Likely a dumb question, but why didn't the good guys retake Bagram as soon as we realized we needed air support / additional air fields? I've probably watched too many movies and oversimplifying things.
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AW 1880 said:

Likely a dumb question, but why didn't the good guys retake Bagram as soon as we realized we needed air support / additional air fields? I've probably watched too many movies and oversimplifying things.

Because the staffers around Biden (and the ones calling the shots) wanted out.they don't give a damn about anyone that gets killed or raped over there. They just want to transform America.
These people are evil.
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FriscoKid said:

AW 1880 said:

Likely a dumb question, but why didn't the good guys retake Bagram as soon as we realized we needed air support / additional air fields? I've probably watched too many movies and oversimplifying things.

Because the staffers around Biden (and the ones calling the shots) wanted out.they don't give a damn about anyone that gets killed or raped over there. They just want to transform America.
These people are evil.
Exactly. "Good guys" are not in D.C. running things. That is why Cruz had to show up as the single obstructing vote at a clandestine Senate 5 am thing Schumer tried to run through. They are not seeking to govern or set policy honestly.
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Absolutely pathetic that all the liberals I see on social media are still just talking about masks and vaccines and completely ignoring the largest failure of American foreign policy in our history.
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AW 1880 said:

Likely a dumb question, but why didn't the good guys retake Bagram as soon as we realized we needed air support / additional air fields? I've probably watched too many movies and oversimplifying things.
This is playing out exactly how Biden wanted it to. He does not care one whit.
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The jet fuel thing is total bs. The rest of this **** show is real but that is crap
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titan said:



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We are about to witness one of the greatest attempts at gaslighting this nation has ever witnessed.
The gaslighting is not going to work though. The military vets know they have been betrayed, all the work cast aside. If all works well, we will get a very angry and anti-Left element coming back that in time will do to Progressive DC what Ataturk did to the Sultanate.

I think you might be right, especially when you presently see elements of the Democrat Party media refusing to fall in line with the DNC talking points.

They are going to try to thread a needle here. It comes in two messages:

1. Our evacuation was a massive success. Look at those numbers!

2. The withdrawal was not our fault. That belongs to Trump.

You saw it earlier with Carolin's troll job OP. They know they screwed up the withdrawal and they are trying to pin that one on Trump.

Had the withdrawal been a success, then they would be taking full credit for it and ignoring Trump altogether.

But with such an obvious failure here, they are going to decouple the evacuation from the withdrawal, and take credit for what they believe can be spun as a success.

I would like to see some of our military assets involved in this mission step forward and destroy that argument.

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Ukraine Gas Expert said:

Get ready for this...they, Biden, will go on and tell everybody it was a success because no one died during the evac. Fact checkers will tell us it's true, because people were slaughtered after the withdrawal.


There are images of people falling from the planes after takeoff....
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FriscoKid said:

Wonder where that came from? I'd love to know if it's true.
No need to wonder. Here ya go. This took 4 minutes:

A twitter account from Kym RoX, with a source document of <checks notes> a imgr snip of a google maps search of the word "Afghanistan". She is highly influential with <checks notes> 2.3k followers (probably 70% of them or more bots), with mostly posts of pics of her attempting to be the 2020 version of Stifler's mom. For those that arent aware, that is a reference from the movie American Pie (1999).

So, do you think its true? Im not saying she's wrong, I'm just saying that...I'm not really sure how she would have any idea what was going on in Afghanistan...if she had to post a picture of the country of Afghanistan....to get credibility from her followers (or anyone viewing the tweet) that she was indeed talking about Afghanistan or not.

I mean...you can also do this yourself. Dont believe anything you hear on twitter.
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Video: Sam Faddis Afghanistan Facing Certain Genocide

He predicts killing fields in Afghanistan. He also is worried that we won't be able to get the troops at the Kabul airport out all the way before something bad happens.

Watch on Rumble (Bannon's War Room)
San Angelo LIVE!
https://sanangelolive.com/
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sanangelo said:

Video: Sam Faddis Afghanistan Facing Certain Genocide

He predicts killing fields in Afghanistan. He also is worried that we won't be able to get the troops at the Kabul airport out all the way before something bad happens.

Watch on Rumble (Bannon's War Room)
Didnt most of the MIC completley endorse 81den?

Some super high number of generals?

Where are they at now? A ****ing 6 year old couldnt (throw) have lost a game of Starcraft or Dota in a more embarrassing fashion if he was allowed to make the decisions, how the hell did we end up with Taliban riding around in a UH-60?

Where the **** are they saying that he played it wrong, like they were when they criticized Trump's peace deals in the ME?
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If the post earlier in the threat is true that Biden of all people is the one that caused Saigon to be what it was, the answer is simple. He's just a sell-out and has been for a while. It would explain the wealth while doing little.
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Yep.

Currently a happy listless vessel and deplorable. #FDEMS TRUMP 2024.
Fight Fight Fight.
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