That's actually great. And really hope this growing trend of angry and disgusted veterans especially Seals just entering politics continues. Would love for a Young Turks moment and numbers to basically drive Leftism out of politics and force a full swing back.aggiehawg said:
Biden is creating a whole new crop of mercs, in my view. When soldiers are not allowed to do their jobs by political leaders, they find another way to do it.
Erik Prince might be back in business or someone like him.
I remember when Soldiers of Fortune was a big magazine after Vietnam. That was not an ideal situation back then either but can't blame them if they feel screwed over like the Vietnam vets were screwed over.
Have to wonder where and who pays for that next wave. IDK.
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This British Marine is trying to get out with his dog rescue organization. It just fell thru. He said if he does not get out he will kill himself.
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2021-08-23/marine-stuck-in-afghanistan-says-rescue-plane-for-his-team-not-coming
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2021-08-23/marine-stuck-in-afghanistan-says-rescue-plane-for-his-team-not-coming
He has to judge of course, but really hope can make effort instead to join a Massoud cell, or even get to his territory.
Biden needs another Soy Boy to hold hands with while he genuflects to his Taliban allies.TChaney said:Aug 16: It's "too early" to say whether the Canadian government will recognize a Taliban government in Afghanistan: "We want to see what happens."
— David Jacobs (@DrJacobsRad) August 24, 2021
Aug 17: Ottawa has 'no plans' to recognize Taliban as legitimate government of Afghanistan.
Aug 24: Did I say no? I meant maybe. pic.twitter.com/ofJV2xbfP0
Congressmen flew into Kabul to see what is actually happening.
The Administration is not happy.
The Administration is not happy.
BREAKING: @sethmoulton & @RepMeijer flew to Kabul airport today "to conduct oversight on the mission to evacuate Americans and our allies," Moulton's office says in a new statement. They have now left Kabul after several hours on the ground. 1/?
— Josh Rogin (@joshrogin) August 25, 2021
Rumsfeld wasn't exactly my hero, but if this is factual, it tells me alot about the traitor in the WH:
THIS IS HORRIFYING, BUT TRUE. PLEASE SHARE THIS EXCERPT FROM DONALD RUMSFELD'S 2018 BOOK...
In 1975, President Ford was left to manage the difficult ending of the Vietnam War. President Ford went to Congress for a relief package to allow American personnel and our allies to evacuate. However, there was ONE U.S. SENATOR who opposed any such support. The result was the embarrassing and hurried evacuation from the roof of the American embassy in Saigon.
This senator reveled in the embarrassment and did everything he could to leverage it politically against Ford. Despite the efforts of this U.S Senator, President Ford managed to rescue 1,500 South Vietnamese allies prior to the country's fall. Had President Ford not acted quickly, these people would have been targeted and slaughtered for their support for America. When they arrived in America, President Ford asked Congress for a package to assist these refugees to integrate into American society. That SAME troublesome SENATOR TORPEDOED ANY SUPPORT for these shell shocked, anti-communist, Americans and our helpers, the refugees.
Instead, President Ford had to recruit Christian organizations to offer assistance on a voluntary basis. As he did so, the Senator belittled those efforts. What kind of person would oppose President Ford's tireless work to do the right and humanitarian thing? Who would want to play politics with the well-being of innocent people who stood by America in the tragic Vietnam War?
THAT SENATOR WAS JOE BIDEN.
***
From the book "When the Center Held." by Donald Rumsfeld in 2018
THIS IS HORRIFYING, BUT TRUE. PLEASE SHARE THIS EXCERPT FROM DONALD RUMSFELD'S 2018 BOOK...
In 1975, President Ford was left to manage the difficult ending of the Vietnam War. President Ford went to Congress for a relief package to allow American personnel and our allies to evacuate. However, there was ONE U.S. SENATOR who opposed any such support. The result was the embarrassing and hurried evacuation from the roof of the American embassy in Saigon.
This senator reveled in the embarrassment and did everything he could to leverage it politically against Ford. Despite the efforts of this U.S Senator, President Ford managed to rescue 1,500 South Vietnamese allies prior to the country's fall. Had President Ford not acted quickly, these people would have been targeted and slaughtered for their support for America. When they arrived in America, President Ford asked Congress for a package to assist these refugees to integrate into American society. That SAME troublesome SENATOR TORPEDOED ANY SUPPORT for these shell shocked, anti-communist, Americans and our helpers, the refugees.
Instead, President Ford had to recruit Christian organizations to offer assistance on a voluntary basis. As he did so, the Senator belittled those efforts. What kind of person would oppose President Ford's tireless work to do the right and humanitarian thing? Who would want to play politics with the well-being of innocent people who stood by America in the tragic Vietnam War?
THAT SENATOR WAS JOE BIDEN.
***
From the book "When the Center Held." by Donald Rumsfeld in 2018
The Fall Guy said:
This British Marine is trying to get out with his dog rescue organization. It just fell thru. He said if he does not get out he will kill himself.
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2021-08-23/marine-stuck-in-afghanistan-says-rescue-plane-for-his-team-not-coming
Ben Wallace accusing me of being abusive bit rich from bully boy incompetence fool who is playing politics with the lives of Pen Farthing his team & animals in Kabul this man is a total disgrace @BWallaceMP @BorisJohnson @ZacGoldsmith @PenFarthing @Nowzad https://t.co/GtKhiKDD0F
— dominic dyer (@domdyer70) August 24, 2021
Keegan99 said:
Congressmen flew into Kabul to see what is actually happening.
The Administration is not happy.BREAKING: @sethmoulton & @RepMeijer flew to Kabul airport today "to conduct oversight on the mission to evacuate Americans and our allies," Moulton's office says in a new statement. They have now left Kabul after several hours on the ground. 1/?
— Josh Rogin (@joshrogin) August 25, 2021
Call it as it is, not our propaganda machine.
That's brave and the type of action that saves Americans now and later from these fundamentalist terrorists
Screw that guy! This group paid for the plane.themselves.
There are quite a few in the house who would have gladly gone over there. I am thankful it was bipartisan, i hope the let it all hang out when they get back.
TAMUallen said:Keegan99 said:
Congressmen flew into Kabul to see what is actually happening.
The Administration is not happy.BREAKING: @sethmoulton & @RepMeijer flew to Kabul airport today "to conduct oversight on the mission to evacuate Americans and our allies," Moulton's office says in a new statement. They have now left Kabul after several hours on the ground. 1/?
— Josh Rogin (@joshrogin) August 25, 2021
Call it as it is, not our propaganda machine.
That's brave and the type of action that saves Americans now and later from these fundamentalist terrorists
Twitter mob is not happy because they took away resources and seats away from people trying to leave. God forbid they try to get the truth.
Great post. Rumsfeld apparently wasn't a big nation-builder either. This is from a fellow Bush Administration official who is a critic of that point of view.mwm said:
Rumsfeld wasn't exactly my hero, but if this is factual, it tells me alot about the traitor in the WH:
THAT SENATOR WAS JOE BIDEN.
***
From the book "When the Center Held." by Donald Rumsfeld in 2018
https://www.rand.org/blog/2021/07/donald-rumsfeld-anti-nation-builder.html
With regard to a feudal area with a token national government and real power in the hands of regional warlords and opium cartels, you can most certainly refuse to build something that was never there.Quote:
Many will regret that Rumsfeld did not succeed in avoiding long-term commitments of American forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. Yet the effect of Rumsfeld's resistance was to make unavoidable operations more difficult and eventually less successful. The judgment as to whether these missions were avoidable turns on whether one believes that the United States can invade a country, overthrow its government, and escape responsibility for the consequences.
Rumsfeld understood the situation in Afghanistan far better than his Wilsonian counterparts in the Bush 43 Administration.
But once you decide to tread down the path of nation-building, you should be prepared for the long haul.
If you decide to leave, then you should maintain what you have left behind to the point where your opposition will end up doing as you wish them to do in a policy sense.
What we've done here is engage in a unilateral surrender to the Taliban for no good reason either in the short or long terms of American foreign policy.
A conditional framework was established by President Trump and his extremely capable foreign policy team.
Team Jackass decided to ditch it in favor of handing the Taliban everything they wanted without conditions.
Not possible. Ags77 assured me Biden is among the most honorable men alive.
Start of another tragic morning at Kabul airport - The hopeless people woke up. pic.twitter.com/ZEkm6IO5Es
— Muslim Shirzad (@MuslimShirzad) August 25, 2021
Wow. So he was always a cretin. Remember he spearheaded the `Borking' attempt as well, and against Clarence Thomas did he not?mwm said:
Rumsfeld wasn't exactly my hero, but if this is factual, it tells me alot about the traitor in the WH:
THIS IS HORRIFYING, BUT TRUE. PLEASE SHARE THIS EXCERPT FROM DONALD RUMSFELD'S 2018 BOOK...
In 1975, President Ford was left to manage the difficult ending of the Vietnam War. President Ford went to Congress for a relief package to allow American personnel and our allies to evacuate. However, there was ONE U.S. SENATOR who opposed any such support. The result was the embarrassing and hurried evacuation from the roof of the American embassy in Saigon.
This senator reveled in the embarrassment and did everything he could to leverage it politically against Ford. Despite the efforts of this U.S Senator, President Ford managed to rescue 1,500 South Vietnamese allies prior to the country's fall. Had President Ford not acted quickly, these people would have been targeted and slaughtered for their support for America. When they arrived in America, President Ford asked Congress for a package to assist these refugees to integrate into American society. That SAME troublesome SENATOR TORPEDOED ANY SUPPORT for these shell shocked, anti-communist, Americans and our helpers, the refugees.
Instead, President Ford had to recruit Christian organizations to offer assistance on a voluntary basis. As he did so, the Senator belittled those efforts. What kind of person would oppose President Ford's tireless work to do the right and humanitarian thing? Who would want to play politics with the well-being of innocent people who stood by America in the tragic Vietnam War?
THAT SENATOR WAS JOE BIDEN.
***
From the book "When the Center Held." by Donald Rumsfeld in 2018
This is why I will die on the "we need Congressional term limits hill."
It won't save our nation, but I do very firmly believe that it would help solve some of our issues over time. It may burn a few good ones from contributing long term but let's be real here how many of those are there? Especially when compared to the "others" like Pelosi.
It won't save our nation, but I do very firmly believe that it would help solve some of our issues over time. It may burn a few good ones from contributing long term but let's be real here how many of those are there? Especially when compared to the "others" like Pelosi.
Agree entirely. Its way over-rated. And for those that mention the civil bureaucracy, they should have "timers" on their job too. But the best solution there is to make any law/legislation/rule/code from a non-elected position void de-facto and unbinding on the public. It must come from the Congress.Eliminatus said:
This is why I will die on the "we need Congressional term limits hill."
It won't save our nation, but I do very firmly believe that it would help solve some of our issues over time. It may burn a few good ones from contributing long term but let's be real here how many of those are there? Especially when compared to the "others" like Pelosi.
While I understand what you're saying, the federal bureaucracy is already are limited to what laws are passed in congress. Congress has passed a lot of legislation throughout its history that fails to explicitly limit the agency in question's scope and has left room for broad interpretation of statutes. The result is the bloated Washington we have today.
Not a fan of duplicate and unnecessary exec branch agencies, just pointing out that Congress wields the power to largely do what it wants to them if they're unhappy, but as you know, once government gets its hands on something there's no looking back. Once a monster is created, our limp wrist Congress sits back and watches it grow.
Not a fan of duplicate and unnecessary exec branch agencies, just pointing out that Congress wields the power to largely do what it wants to them if they're unhappy, but as you know, once government gets its hands on something there's no looking back. Once a monster is created, our limp wrist Congress sits back and watches it grow.
Royal Marine Veteran @PenFarthing will be able to take his staff and animals to Kabul Airport in #Afghanistan.
— Alex Tiffin (@RespectIsVital) August 25, 2021
Once he does, a landing slot will be sought from US Commanders at HKIA Air Traffic Control. #OperationArkhttps://t.co/lcC1w2jT5o
NEW - An 🇦🇺 Australian citizen says he was beaten by the Taliban in Kabul.
— Alex Tiffin (@RespectIsVital) August 25, 2021
A weapon is then cocked and fired before the video abruptly ends. pic.twitter.com/lvzIKsqAyK
Live Stream of Airport - while it lasts
Same tragic story - Kabul airport pic.twitter.com/iHPrTYwai4
— Muslim Shirzad (@MuslimShirzad) August 25, 2021
Bork was Ted Kennedy. He called a presser and trashed him within minutes of news breaking he was nominated.Quote:
Wow. So he was always a cretin. Remember he spearheaded the `Borking' attempt as well, and against Clarence Thomas did he not?
But you were right about Biden and Clarence Thomas.
TChaney said:NEW - An 🇦🇺 Australian citizen says he was beaten by the Taliban in Kabul.
— Alex Tiffin (@RespectIsVital) August 25, 2021
A weapon is then cocked and fired before the video abruptly ends. pic.twitter.com/lvzIKsqAyK
Wonder if we will ever get an update from this guy and his what appears to be a wife or GF.
mwm
Further proof President Biden was/is and will continue to be an absolutely despicable human being.
Further proof President Biden was/is and will continue to be an absolutely despicable human being.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
That's interesting on Rumsfeld because he was the primary advocate for invading Iraq and essentially drug the administration with him to that decision according to Bob Woodward in Bush At War. He had no plan beyond taking out Hussein which aligns to the statements here that he was not a believer in nation building, but I also don't recall and talk about installing a new government and then leaving.
I only remember him presented as a hot head who wanted to take out Hussein simply under the theme of "never let a crisis go to waste" and had zero thoughts as to what they would do once/if they accomplished it.
However, I also read that book many years ago and may not recall of this correctly on his post Hussein plans, if any.
I only remember him presented as a hot head who wanted to take out Hussein simply under the theme of "never let a crisis go to waste" and had zero thoughts as to what they would do once/if they accomplished it.
However, I also read that book many years ago and may not recall of this correctly on his post Hussein plans, if any.
Banks still closed, people can’t get cash, prices are skyrocketing, imports have crashed. Kabul airport was a major source of cargo into the country and that has been cut off.
— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) August 25, 2021
Afghan families in the vicinity of Kabul Airport #Afghanistan wait hoping they'll be called to board a flight out soon.
— Alex Tiffin (@RespectIsVital) August 25, 2021
Space is limited, so any open area is used to accommodate people. pic.twitter.com/ZwJhYPbOAs
Good grief! Defense Department epic fail.
...that isn't our plane... https://t.co/rbZcGISvMg
— Joe Cunningham (@JoePCunningham) August 24, 2021
delete your department pic.twitter.com/yPVPNU5rlp
— Razor (@hale_razor) August 24, 2021
I'll bet China comes in to prop up their economy with certain stipulations. That may not be halal
Good post and explanation. Then there is another solution, even easier to mandate in a new set-up. All laws outside a certain type have sunset clauses. Rather than the assumption being you must work to remove it, it is more a case of you must win public support each time to keep it going. Clinton's assault weapons ban of the 90's was one of the few cases this was done correctly. After 9/11 the public rightly wanted that to go away, and didn't renew it.DirtyMikesBoys said:
While I understand what you're saying, the federal bureaucracy is already are limited to what laws are passed in congress. Congress has passed a lot of legislation throughout its history that fails to explicitly limit the agency in question's scope and has left room for broad interpretation of statutes. The result is the bloated Washington we have today.
Not a fan of duplicate and unnecessary exec branch agencies, just pointing out that Congress wields the power to largely do what it wants to them if they're unhappy, but as you know, once government gets its hands on something there's no looking back. Once a monster is created, our limp wrist Congress sits back and watches it grow.
Its easy enough to think of laws you would make an exception to this, but regulations would never be one of them. That way it prevents govt from getting too much power over the economy that is also lasting. You can wait out bad laws.
Less popular laws would have expired, renewal would have taken the same level of mobilization of getting it passed, and so on.
Curious who is actually controlling the helicopter.
Well, basically, but let's not ignore that Biden bragged about having been 'almost single handedly' the one who took him down though. Yes, that's an obvious lie, but that is par for the course, as well.aggiehawg said:Bork was Ted Kennedy. He called a presser and trashed him within minutes of news breaking he was nominated.Quote:
Wow. So he was always a cretin. Remember he spearheaded the `Borking' attempt as well, and against Clarence Thomas did he not?
But you were right about Biden and Clarence Thomas.
/derail.Quote:
Former vice president Joe Biden took credit Friday for "almost single-handedly" blocking Robert Bork's nomination to the Supreme Court.
"I almost single-handedly made sure that Robert Bork did not get on the Court because he did not think there should be enumerated rights. Let's get that straight," Biden said during Friday night's Democratic debate.
Biden ignored the central role disgraced Massachusetts senator Ted Kennedy played in smearing Bork, and he insisted he was the reason why the right to an abortion was not taken away, thanks to defeating Bork's nomination.
"The only reason women have the right to choose is because it's determined that there are unenumerated rights coming from the Ninth Amendment in the Constitution," Biden said.
"We are not going to appoint anyone who did not have a view that unenumerated rights existed in the Constitution. That's not a specific test. That's a generic test," he added.
"I was part of the reason why Elena Kagan, who worked for me, got on the Supreme Court," Biden said. "I was part of the reason why Ruth Bader Ginsburg is on the Court. I was part of the reason why Sotomayor was on the Court and she swore me in."
Likely the brother of the guy who looked down the barrel of his ak that jammed. I hope our DoD has a way to "update the software" remotely.
AgsMnn said:
Curious who is actually controlling the helicopter.
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