We are now hearing reports there are thousands of American citizens still throughout Afghanistan that have not made it to the airport
— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 17, 2021
We are now hearing reports there are thousands of American citizens still throughout Afghanistan that have not made it to the airport
— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 17, 2021
Serious question. Why? Those Afghans where not helping America they were trying to advance their own country forward. We've sacrificed as much as the Afghans and it's not our country. We gave them cover and resources for 20 years to build a modern functioning government and a 21st century society. Why do we owe them more than that?agsalaska said:annie88 said:And this is amazingly sad but we cannot bring them here.will25u said:“We can’t leave these people,” the official, now openly emotional, “This is awful,” referring to efforts on safely removing 88,000 Afghan SIVs, including interpreters. The official worried the situation could further deteriorate. “We now have the biggest targets on our backs.”
— Catherine Herridge (@CBS_Herridge) August 16, 2021
Yes we can and we absolutely should.
That is WAY too general of a statement. One man is not responsible for his government.HumpitPuryear said:Serious question. Why? Those Afghans where not helping America they were trying to advance their own country forward. We've sacrificed as much as the Afghans and it's not our country. We gave them cover and resources for 20 years to build a modern functioning government and a 21st century society. Why do we owe them more than that?agsalaska said:annie88 said:And this is amazingly sad but we cannot bring them here.will25u said:“We can’t leave these people,” the official, now openly emotional, “This is awful,” referring to efforts on safely removing 88,000 Afghan SIVs, including interpreters. The official worried the situation could further deteriorate. “We now have the biggest targets on our backs.”
— Catherine Herridge (@CBS_Herridge) August 16, 2021
Yes we can and we absolutely should.
Do they deserve more than the ANA? Their families? Where does it stop? Are we supposed to airlift half the country? It's their country they were fighting for. Not the USA. Maybe they should pick up a rifle and at least take out a couple Taliban on the way out.
I'm sick about the humanitarian disaster that this is and I don't mean to sound callous but these are serious questions that need more consideration of the long-term impacts.
REPORTER: "So there's no US actions being taken to prevent equipment from falling into the hands of the Taliban by destroying it or anything else?"
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) August 16, 2021
MAJOR GENERAL HANK TAYLOR: "I don't have the answer to that question." pic.twitter.com/m0wGN1fcFR
In a perfect world yes. But that is not the situation in reality. The situation in reality is you will have an overflowing mass of "intepreters" and even just plain old hordes mobbing the ramps of departing aircraft as we saw today.agsalaska said:
That is WAY too general of a statement. One man is not responsible for his government.
We are by in large a nation of immigrants, refugees, slaves, and natives and all of their descendents. My father's side fled to escape the Kaiser. My wife's fled a famine. Most of these people have shown a loyalty to our side and our ideology and we should not leave them in the street to be shot or hung or worse. We need to get as many of them as we can out and bring them here.
I understand they need to be vetted.
This is nothing like the southern border.
Well it is a little late for that to be realistic. What power we have left is entirely concentrated at Kabul International Airport and its all we can do to evacuate refugees and our own people. The massive amount of military equipment we have given the Afghans is a sunk cost. MRAPS, armored trucks, infantry weapons of all descriptions, helicopters, airplanes, radios, etc... enough to outfit a 300,000 man army are now largely the inheritence of the Taliban.will25u said:
WTF.REPORTER: "So there's no US actions being taken to prevent equipment from falling into the hands of the Taliban by destroying it or anything else?"
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) August 16, 2021
MAJOR GENERAL HANK TAYLOR: "I don't have the answer to that question." pic.twitter.com/m0wGN1fcFR
We can deal with it. Get them out.Jayhawk said:In a perfect world yes. But that is not the situation in reality. The situation in reality is you will have an overflowing mass of "intepreters" and even just plain old hordes mobbing the ramps of departing aircraft as we saw today.agsalaska said:
That is WAY too general of a statement. One man is not responsible for his government.
We are by in large a nation of immigrants, refugees, slaves, and natives and all of their descendents. My father's side fled to escape the Kaiser. My wife's fled a famine. Most of these people have shown a loyalty to our side and our ideology and we should not leave them in the street to be shot or hung or worse. We need to get as many of them as we can out and bring them here.
I understand they need to be vetted.
This is nothing like the southern border.
My standard is this: are you willing to bring conservative Sunni Muslims here en masse, have them marry and convert the natives, possibly even your own family members? That is what we are talking about in practice based on how this is going to go in reality.
All of them? Blanket immigration visas sort of how the UK did for Hong Kong?agsalaska said:We can deal with it. Get them out.Jayhawk said:In a perfect world yes. But that is not the situation in reality. The situation in reality is you will have an overflowing mass of "intepreters" and even just plain old hordes mobbing the ramps of departing aircraft as we saw today.agsalaska said:
That is WAY too general of a statement. One man is not responsible for his government.
We are by in large a nation of immigrants, refugees, slaves, and natives and all of their descendents. My father's side fled to escape the Kaiser. My wife's fled a famine. Most of these people have shown a loyalty to our side and our ideology and we should not leave them in the street to be shot or hung or worse. We need to get as many of them as we can out and bring them here.
I understand they need to be vetted.
This is nothing like the southern border.
My standard is this: are you willing to bring conservative Sunni Muslims here en masse, have them marry and convert the natives, possibly even your own family members? That is what we are talking about in practice based on how this is going to go in reality.
Irish 2.0 said:Taliban Collect Weapons From Civilians In Kabul As They "No Longer Need Personal Protection" https://t.co/A6LLjizTz1
— zerohedge (@zerohedge) August 17, 2021
Robert C. Christian said:
I thought that was found to be fake?itd be fun if it were true but this is a guy posting old photos pretending hes there now. giveaway was the massoud mausoleum store in the background. panjshir valley is tough to get to even in peacetime and in a war he went to the gift shop? lol cmon pic.twitter.com/wiEMwAZh0z
— le loup garou (@turdducken) August 15, 2021
update from Miles, he's evacuated. Whether that means from Afghanistan or from his current safehouse, unclear. three small propeller planes lifting off from Kabul.
— Rimmy (@Rimmy_Downunder) August 16, 2021
video is ready for render soon, had an absolutely insane story with some leaked information, full story soon. pic.twitter.com/Yhc4fpjFh6
Jayhawk said:All of them? Blanket immigration visas sort of how the UK did for Hong Kong?agsalaska said:We can deal with it. Get them out.Jayhawk said:In a perfect world yes. But that is not the situation in reality. The situation in reality is you will have an overflowing mass of "intepreters" and even just plain old hordes mobbing the ramps of departing aircraft as we saw today.agsalaska said:
That is WAY too general of a statement. One man is not responsible for his government.
We are by in large a nation of immigrants, refugees, slaves, and natives and all of their descendents. My father's side fled to escape the Kaiser. My wife's fled a famine. Most of these people have shown a loyalty to our side and our ideology and we should not leave them in the street to be shot or hung or worse. We need to get as many of them as we can out and bring them here.
I understand they need to be vetted.
This is nothing like the southern border.
My standard is this: are you willing to bring conservative Sunni Muslims here en masse, have them marry and convert the natives, possibly even your own family members? That is what we are talking about in practice based on how this is going to go in reality.
Have you been to Afghanistan?
I'm not saying it is like the southern border but vetting is useless. Remember the Boston bombers. They were vetted. All of your reasons are emotional, and I get that it's emotional. But I have to admit that a lot of what Biden said today is true - they didn't fight for themselves. If they won't fight for their own country are they going to fight for ours? They don't even seem interested in fighting for their own families. These are not people that are going to assimilate and we aren't leaving them in the streets. They have weapons and training to use them. They handed them over to the Taliban instead of fighting.agsalaska said:That is WAY too general of a statement. One man is not responsible for his government.HumpitPuryear said:Serious question. Why? Those Afghans where not helping America they were trying to advance their own country forward. We've sacrificed as much as the Afghans and it's not our country. We gave them cover and resources for 20 years to build a modern functioning government and a 21st century society. Why do we owe them more than that?agsalaska said:annie88 said:And this is amazingly sad but we cannot bring them here.will25u said:“We can’t leave these people,” the official, now openly emotional, “This is awful,” referring to efforts on safely removing 88,000 Afghan SIVs, including interpreters. The official worried the situation could further deteriorate. “We now have the biggest targets on our backs.”
— Catherine Herridge (@CBS_Herridge) August 16, 2021
Yes we can and we absolutely should.
Do they deserve more than the ANA? Their families? Where does it stop? Are we supposed to airlift half the country? It's their country they were fighting for. Not the USA. Maybe they should pick up a rifle and at least take out a couple Taliban on the way out.
I'm sick about the humanitarian disaster that this is and I don't mean to sound callous but these are serious questions that need more consideration of the long-term impacts.
We are by in large a nation of immigrants, refugees, slaves, and natives and all of their descendents. My father's side fled to escape the Kaiser. My wife's fled a famine. Most of these people have shown a loyalty to our side and our ideology and we should not leave them in the street to be shot or hung or worse. We need to get as many of them as we can out and bring them here.
I understand they need to be vetted.
This is nothing like the southern border.
Next videos will be hostageswill25u said:
Taliban gifts. Compliments of the US— CT POLICE LIVE (@CTPOLICELIVE) August 16, 2021
I am just trying to understand the scale of the Islamic immigration you are advocating for. We are already shaping up to take in ~88,000 . Is that enough? Should we take more if their lives will not be as fulfilling under a Taliban regime?agsalaska said:
I do not agree that vetting is useless. I think that is a pour excuse. I bet we can vet these guys FAR more than we vet the typical dude crossing the border right now.
Jayhawk said:I am just trying to understand the scale of the Islamic immigration you are advocating for. We are already shaping up to take in ~88,000 . Is that enough? Should we take more if their lives will not be as fulfilling under a Taliban regime?agsalaska said:
I do not agree that vetting is useless. I think that is a pour excuse. I bet we can vet these guys FAR more than we vet the typical dude crossing the border right now.
In good faith, I think what you mean is "Afghans who helped the United States military during our occupation" but my point is that this level of discernment a) exceeds our vetting capability and b) is so prone to exploitation as to be nearly meaningless.
I am for very limited special visas for Afghans on an individual basis who undergo vetting and whose contributions are well documented. I am not for bringing in every Afghan who worked as a groundskeeper at a U.S. facility and even that would be more discerning then what we are currently doing in reality.
*BIDEN AUTHORIZES UP TO $500M TO AID AFGHAN REFUGEES
— zerohedge (@zerohedge) August 17, 2021
“We need more troops from the Pentagon, and we need more State Department resources to evacuate Americans,” the official told Rogin. “I feel like I’m working against my own government to get my own country’s people out.”
— Melissa Nann Burke (@nannburke) August 17, 2021
TChaney said:Robert C. Christian said:
I thought that was found to be fake?itd be fun if it were true but this is a guy posting old photos pretending hes there now. giveaway was the massoud mausoleum store in the background. panjshir valley is tough to get to even in peacetime and in a war he went to the gift shop? lol cmon pic.twitter.com/wiEMwAZh0z
— le loup garou (@turdducken) August 15, 2021update from Miles, he's evacuated. Whether that means from Afghanistan or from his current safehouse, unclear. three small propeller planes lifting off from Kabul.
— Rimmy (@Rimmy_Downunder) August 16, 2021
video is ready for render soon, had an absolutely insane story with some leaked information, full story soon. pic.twitter.com/Yhc4fpjFh6
Lord Miles Routledge made his way out.
Lol. We've now increased troops and spent even more money all because he failed on a magnificent scale. He's doing literally the opposite of what he said in his speech 7 hours ago.will25u said:*BIDEN AUTHORIZES UP TO $500M TO AID AFGHAN REFUGEES
— zerohedge (@zerohedge) August 17, 2021
will25u said:“We need more troops from the Pentagon, and we need more State Department resources to evacuate Americans,” the official told Rogin. “I feel like I’m working against my own government to get my own country’s people out.”
— Melissa Nann Burke (@nannburke) August 17, 2021
C@LAg said:
what about the US military equipment?
will25u said:“We need more troops from the Pentagon, and we need more State Department resources to evacuate Americans,” the official told Rogin. “I feel like I’m working against my own government to get my own country’s people out.”
— Melissa Nann Burke (@nannburke) August 17, 2021
So the last 20 years was useless?Ag_07 said:
I've seen a lot people explain that they can't fight for themselves.
You can't when you're not getting fuel, food, maintenance training etc.
They literally can not fight for themselves.
Whether we can or can't. I wager...we won't/don't. We haven't in the past and it is even LESS likely we would today. It is a FACT...You can't be ALL THINGS, to ALL PEOPLE. That is in God's purview ONLY. Sadly, the moral of this story is...there are consequences for bad decisions.agsalaska said:
I do not agree that vetting is useless. I think that is a pour excuse. I bet we can vet these guys FAR more than we vet the typical dude crossing the border right now.
YouBet said:
I believe this has already been confirmed as fake. Maybe I'm wrong though.