Some people around here didn't know this apparently. Below is from WSJ article from two years ago.

This August marked 400 years since the first documented enslaved Africans arrived in the U.S. In 1619, a ship reached the Jamestown settlement in the colony of Virginia, carrying "some 20 and odd Negroes" who were kidnapped from their villages in present-day Angola. The anniversary coincides with a controversial debate in the U.S. about whether the country owes reparations to the descendants of slaves as compensation for centuries of injustice and inequality. It is a moment for posing questions of historic guilt and responsibility.

But the American side of the story is not the only one. Africans are now also reckoning with their own complicated legacy in the slave trade, and the infamous "Middle Passage" often looks different from across the Atlantic.
Records from the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database, directed by historian David Eltis at Emory University, show that the majority of captives brought to the U.S. came from Senegal, Gambia, Congo and eastern Nigeria. Europeans oversaw this brutal traffic in human cargo, but they had many local collaborators.

"The organization of the slave trade was structured to have the Europeans stay along the coast lines, relying on African middlemen and merchants to bring the slaves to them," said Toyin Falola, a Nigerian professor of African studies at the University of Texas at Austin. "The Europeans couldn't have gone into the interior to get the slaves themselves."

That this isn't already common knowledge is just sad, but then again leaving things out of the history books isn't a new thing in our schools.

Abeka Books are only used in homeschooling and in private Christian schools. They're not found in any public schools AFAIK. They'll be hard to cancel on account of that.

Why did mods delete the last thread?? Did keef start crying after he got his head bashed in with facts?

Duh, water is wet, sky is blue, free blacks owned slaves, most were not taken to north america, the southern US did not invent it, it was legal in all colonies and states, yada yada yada. The revisionist historians wipe it all away and just blame the South.

It's all uneducated BS. I truly wish the southern states would have agreed to stay in the Union given the introduction and eventual passage of the Corwin amendment, then when they seceded 7-12 years afterwards for all the same reasons, we would not be having this debate today.

That didn't stop keef from losing his mind.

Heck - all you've got to do is watch the first 30min of Roots to see basic the mechanics of it.

Who do people think sold the slaves to Europe and America?

I was reading a historical book recently, and it mentioned that at one point, 30% of the US population was indentured servants, from Europe. I knew many came to the country that way, but didnt realize it was that many.

These were white Europeans, who were indebted to someone else, and as a result, brought here as a servant/slave.

I think we can all agree, slavery is bad. But all of it...regardless your origin.

Yes, if you focus on it from a strictly racial point of view, they essentially enslaved themselves to the highest bidder. I have no doubts that if slavery was made legal today, they would do it all again. It's not hard to imagine Nigerian hustlers (for example) that scam old people out of money daily, rounding up weaker neighbors and enemies from surrounding areas and selling them to the highest bidder.

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Who do people think sold the slaves to Europe and America?

I was reading a historical book recently, and it mentioned that at one point, 30% of the US population was indentured servants, from Europe. I knew many came to the country that way, but didnt realize it was that many.

These were white Europeans, who were indebted to someone else, and as a result, brought here as a servant/slave.

I think we can all agree, slavery is bad. But all of it...regardless your origin.

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My ancestors...

Anyone living off of the Tax payers dime is a bought and paid for slave on the modern liberal government plantation.

AgGrad99 said:

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Who do people think sold the slaves to Europe and America?

I was reading a historical book recently, and it mentioned that at one point, 30% of the US population was indentured servants, from Europe. I knew many came to the country that way, but didnt realize it was that many.

These were white Europeans, who were indebted to someone else, and as a result, brought here as a servant/slave.

I think we can all agree, slavery is bad. But all of it...regardless your origin.

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That is completely different, as an indentured servant you are not owned as property, you have your rights, you have your own life outside of working hours, you work off your debt and then are no longer an indentured servant and while doing so your creditor/employer is not your master, lastly one would freely and willingly contractually agree to become an indentured servant.

Anyone who has any understanding of history has known about this forever.

They willingly enslaved their own people for centuries and also willingly took part in the slave trade both profiting off of it and encouraging it.

Do you how ignorant Most Americans are regarding history and many in the world.

This is commonly taught within the schools I work in and with.

Ghana apologizes to slaves' descendants

Do some research into which continent still has the most slaves going on to this day.

Jarrin' Jay said:

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AgGrad99 said:

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Who do people think sold the slaves to Europe and America?

I was reading a historical book recently, and it mentioned that at one point, 30% of the US population was indentured servants, from Europe. I knew many came to the country that way, but didnt realize it was that many.

These were white Europeans, who were indebted to someone else, and as a result, brought here as a servant/slave.

I think we can all agree, slavery is bad. But all of it...regardless your origin.

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That is completely different, as an indentured servant you are not owned as property, you have your rights, you have your own life outside of working hours, you work off your debt and then are no longer an indentured servant and while doing so your creditor/employer is not your master, lastly one would freely and willingly contractually agree to become an indentured servant.

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Well then - that sounds like a most lovely situation! I'm sure the debtors were treated marvelously, had superb living conditions, were never told to perform non-OSHA approved work, were ensured lots of extra free time, and were never swindled/endangered/treated poorly by their masters debtees!

Edit: autocorrect

They were treated poorly but their children and grandchildren weren't asked to pay their debts.

Also,

Many more slaves went North and East from Africa into Islamic countries, VASTLY MORE. This is beyond dispute.

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Also,

Many more slaves went North and East from Africa into Islamic countries, VASTLY MORE. This is beyond dispute.

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Source?

My grandfather claimed that his own parents became indentured servants in early 1900's to a relative. They moved across the country to begin their servant hood to this relative to escape the extreme poverty they were experiencing in the Oklahoma/Kansas/Nebraska region.

My grants father believed the relative worked them to death and they died early.

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Also,

Many more slaves went North and East from Africa into Islamic countries, VASTLY MORE. This is beyond dispute.

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And more went to S America than N America

Comanche_Ag said:

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samurai_texan said:

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Also,

Many more slaves went North and East from Africa into Islamic countries, VASTLY MORE. This is beyond dispute.

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And more went to S America than N America

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Brazil was #1 by a wide margin, followed by the Caribbean Islands.

"Were"?

It's still happening. It's also still the arabs who are the primary slave dealers/traders.

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"Were"?

It's still happening. It's also still the arabs who are the primary slave dealers/traders.

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^^^This^^^^

Africa, the middle east, and asia are the areas of the world where slavery is still prevalent to this day.

POC are and were the worst perpetrators of slavery in the world.

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nortex97 said:

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"Were"?

It's still happening. It's also still the arabs who are the primary slave dealers/traders.

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^^^This^^^^

Africa, the middle east, and asia are the areas of the world where slavery is still prevalent to this day.

POC are and were the worst perpetrators of slavery in the world.

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This cannot be true, I have been told the complete opposite from my big Corp CRT training and by every news outlet and politician for the last 18 months. I have been told that only white male Americans have ever owned slaves

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Yes, Africans were complicit in the Slave Trade

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Complicit?

They ran the damn thing.

It's like saying Pablo Escobar was "complicit" in the drug trade.

And as today, we didn't have to be their customers, but here we are.

Irish 2.0 said:

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Why did mods delete the last thread?? Did keef start crying after he got his head bashed in with facts?

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Sorry I missed it.

It's a mystery to me how the mods run off good, solid, conservative posters, while Keef comes back from bans, trolls, and bashes TexAgs constantly on Twitter and his blog.

It's almost as if they want people to sop posting on Politics.

The Asante grew rich from capturing other tribes and selling them to Portuguese, Dutch, British in present day Ghana. We toured a coastal slave castle in Elmina on the Gulf of Guinea 3 years ago and the accounts were heartbreaking, but yes, Africans knew what they were doing. I would hold Europeans accountable because they failed to listen to the Bible of their Christian faith, but one wonders how deep that faith actually was, or if they just considered that the pain and rape inflicted on slaves was somehow justified because of the Old Testament.

My OP is a response to Keith's assertion from a now deleted thread that Africans were not involved in the trans-Atlantic slave trade. It was a ludicrous statement. Slavery in Africa existed centuries before Europeans even got involved.

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Ags4DaWin said:

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nortex97 said:

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"Were"?

It's still happening. It's also still the arabs who are the primary slave dealers/traders.

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^^^This^^^^

Africa, the middle east, and asia are the areas of the world where slavery is still prevalent to this day.

POC are and were the worst perpetrators of slavery in the world.

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This cannot be true, I have been told the complete opposite from my big Corp CRT training and by every news outlet and politician for the last 18 months. I have been told that only white male Americans have ever owned slaves

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I respect your sarcasm but to this day many are unaware. Also, I should not blame 'arabs' as a kind of cultural/racial category, but rather muslims. More;

https://www.raymondibrahim.com/2020/02/10/exposed-islams-role-in-the-transatlantic-slave-trade/

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While most Western historians are aware that it was African "tribesmen" who captured and sold enemy tribesmen to Europeans, left unmentioned is that the "tribal" differences often revolved around who was and was not Muslim.

As John Alembillah Azumah, an African academic and author of The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa, explained in an interview:

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Slavery was a very important part of Islamic expansion in West Africa, and in fact in the Sudan, and from the very earliest period of Islamic penetration of Africa. Slavery was a very endemic part of Islamic interaction with Africa. And in West Africa, the jihad's period of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries involved massive slave raiding and slave trading; and many of the slaves that were captured and sold and sent to the transatlantic slave trade [were captured by Muslims]; most of those who were doing the slaving at the time were Muslim communities (emphasis added).

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A look at historic maps seems to confirm this: the western coast of Africa, where captives were enslaved and sold to Europeans, were hotbeds of jihadi slave raids. The populations from Senegal to Angolathe regions where arguably most African-Americans trace their bloodlineswere roughly half Islamic, half pagan between the sixteenth and nineteenth centuries.

More to the point, if today, when slavery has been formally abolished around most of the world, Muslim groups are still subsisting on the slave trade all throughout Africa"Slavery Prevalent in Africa 400 Years After Transatlantic Trade Began" is a recent headlinethe role Muslims played in facilitating the transatlantic slave trade should be evident.

Unfortunately, however, and as mentioned, if the obvious things of Islamic historysuch as more than a millennium of unprovoked jihadi attacks on Europehave been revised in a manner that presents the antithesis as truth, surely Islam's more insidious or subtle role throughout history, such as its facilitation of the transatlantic slave trade, will remain unheard of.

As a side-note, here is a good, general rule of thumb to help cut through all the fake, pro-Islamic and whitewashed histories that proliferate: to know what Islam did in the past, simply look to what it is doing in the present, which includes a thriving undergroundand of course abovegroundslave market.

Meanwhile, Europeans/Christianswho were actually the ones to outlaw slavery internationallywill continue to be the blame all for this tragic episode of history.

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It's a sad, and well documented history, even if you can't trust modern big tech (such as google) to help learn about it, let alone 'african studies' types in academia today. After all, basically the first war Americans fought was against the barbary pirates.

So the end users are demonized, but not the supplier?

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AgGrad99 said:

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Who do people think sold the slaves to Europe and America?

I was reading a historical book recently, and it mentioned that at one point, 30% of the US population was indentured servants, from Europe. I knew many came to the country that way, but didnt realize it was that many.

These were white Europeans, who were indebted to someone else, and as a result, brought here as a servant/slave.

I think we can all agree, slavery is bad. But all of it...regardless your origin.

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My ancestors...

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Andrew Jackson's parents were indentured servants.

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My OP is a response to Keith's assertion from a now deleted thread that Africans were not involved in the trans-Atlantic slave trade. It was a ludicrous statement. Slavery in EVERYWHERE existed since the dawn of time

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Those pesky facts again....

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That is completely different, as an indentured servant you are not owned as property, you have your rights, you have your own life outside of working hours, you work off your debt and then are no longer an indentured servant and while doing so your creditor/employer is not your master, lastly one would freely and willingly contractually agree to become an indentured servant.

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Well aware of the differences.

But the vast majority were simply slaves. Many were worked to death...or sold and traded for other property, etc. A small percentage could earn freedom. Most never did.