Revel in your myopic ignorance.

A Net Full of Jello said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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A Net Full of Jello said:

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SociallyConditionedAg said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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If I was trying to up the vaccination percentage, I've already given up on trying to convince the unvaccinated folks. If you live in the U.S. and haven't gotten the vaccine by this point, you've decided not to get it.

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at this point there are maybe 10-20% of people still in the "wait and see" camp. supposedly full FDA approval and vaccine requirements for travel are the two developments that would be most persuasive to this group to push them over the edge. i have my doubts about the former, and obviously the latter is pretty problematic.

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Mandatory vaccinations to do certain things or perform certain jobs has between around a long long time. Once COVID-19 vaccines join the rest of the more established vaccines (which needs the FDA full approval to play out), then okey dokey, entered a new phase of the ball game.

I wouldn't even bother, if I was in charge of the vaccination program, to try to communicate much to the anti-vaxxer crowd at this point. I get it. Don't want to get vaccinated. Don't really care at this point, got to move on to the next step to get my job done which means just focusing on:

1) FDA full appoval then...
2) Get vaccinated or have fun getting tested A LOT in situations that involve travel/work/play around a bunch of other people. If you don't travel/work/play around a bunch of people, then don't care about you anyways. The sedentary/introverted/self-isolated folks are not part of my problem. But if you DO like to mingle a lot in society, well, I'm going to make unvaccinated life a bit more annoying for you and test how much you REALLY are anti-vaccine.

That's what I would do. And I suspect...my take may not be far off from what the real folks are planning at this point.

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If the unvaxxed folks are the only ones unsafe, why bother restricting them from any activities? I mean, if the shot works and you don't care what happens to them, who does it hurt besides them? The shot doesn't keep you from spreading COVID, so that arguments out the window. This is purely about control, not safety.

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But see, the unvaccinated can give covid to the vaccinated. Vaccinated don't give it to vaccinated. So everybody must get vaccinated or they are selfish and don't care if they harm someone. I'm pretty sure that's the argument.

BUT, no one is talking about what happens if you force/guilt a person to get a new, untested, unapproved vaccine and that person has a side effect. Apparently, in that case, you shouldn't feel guilty. That seems rather hypocritical.

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Once the FDA issues full approval, You'll likely see more and more unvaccinated folks who want to travel/work/play in large groups have to either get vaccinated or enjoy lots of cotten swabs in nose again and again. That's what I'd do if in that was my responsiblity, and I imagine that is roughly the game plan. And the unvaccinated can get annoyed and criticize on social media all they want, but if you are trying to hit a vaccination/COVID spread target, then you are not trying to win a popularity contest anyways. Some people will hate you but that's your job So you go with some 'stick' instead of 'carrot' and up the testing requirement hassles until a bunch of the unvaccinated folks break.

We'll see how much longer it takes for the FDA approval process to play out.

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I'm not sure what that has to do with what I posted, but okay. Point remains that no one cares if a person has a poor reaction or negative side effect to this vaccine. That's that one person's problem and no one should feel guilty that the person wouldn't be living with this side effect had he not been guilted or forced into the vaccine.. However, they certainly seem concerned over whether a person who isn't vaccinated gives covid to another unvaccinated person. Spoiler: the unvaccinated knows the risk he is taking and doesn't care (clearly) or he would have gotten the vaccine by now.

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Put yourself in the shoes of someone who is having to play a numbers game in a population 330 million. If N percentage of vaccinated people have a notable negative side effect, and Y percentage of people who get COVID have a negative side effect, and it looks like N is less than Y, then you probably are best pushing for a higher vaccinated count in the portion of the unvaccinated who are traveling/working/playing in large groups (you don't care about the portion of the population who is not mingling too much with others either way).

For as much as the vaccine hesitant crowd claims that their hesitancy is not for political reasons, that thread basically confirms that the reasons are in fact political.

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Vaccine Hesitancy Explained: HIGH risk experimental vaccine vs LOW risk disease

Higher chance of injury or death than the disease

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Pure stupidity.

How long do the vaccine-based antibodies last? Nobody seems to know, but it seems like there's a high degree of protection for somewhere from three months to two years, maybe longer. So why aren't people who've had the vaccine longer than three months ago required to get re-tested? Boosters are being discussed already, so it's clear that the existing one- or two-shot vaccine protocol is not a long term solution.

Why is it that I can't watch/hear an ad for any medication without a ten-second (partial) list of side effects, but none are ever discussed during PSAs for the vaccine? In this litigious society, that seems curious to me, even if the Government has protected the manufacturers from liability claims. For all the talk of having an informed populace, there seems to be little discussion in the media about side effects.

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Revel in your myopic ignorance.

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Thanks, I will.

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For as much as the vaccine hesitant crowd claims that their hesitancy is not for political reasons, that thread basically confirms that the reasons are in fact political.

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Vaccine Hesitancy Explained: HIGH risk experimental vaccine vs LOW risk disease

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Pure stupidity.

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User name fits.

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I know. It's too long.

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TL;DR

Pumpkinhead said:

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A Net Full of Jello said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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A Net Full of Jello said:

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SociallyConditionedAg said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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If I was trying to up the vaccination percentage, I've already given up on trying to convince the unvaccinated folks. If you live in the U.S. and haven't gotten the vaccine by this point, you've decided not to get it.

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at this point there are maybe 10-20% of people still in the "wait and see" camp. supposedly full FDA approval and vaccine requirements for travel are the two developments that would be most persuasive to this group to push them over the edge. i have my doubts about the former, and obviously the latter is pretty problematic.

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Mandatory vaccinations to do certain things or perform certain jobs has between around a long long time. Once COVID-19 vaccines join the rest of the more established vaccines (which needs the FDA full approval to play out), then okey dokey, entered a new phase of the ball game.

I wouldn't even bother, if I was in charge of the vaccination program, to try to communicate much to the anti-vaxxer crowd at this point. I get it. Don't want to get vaccinated. Don't really care at this point, got to move on to the next step to get my job done which means just focusing on:

1) FDA full appoval then...
2) Get vaccinated or have fun getting tested A LOT in situations that involve travel/work/play around a bunch of other people. If you don't travel/work/play around a bunch of people, then don't care about you anyways. The sedentary/introverted/self-isolated folks are not part of my problem. But if you DO like to mingle a lot in society, well, I'm going to make unvaccinated life a bit more annoying for you and test how much you REALLY are anti-vaccine.

That's what I would do. And I suspect...my take may not be far off from what the real folks are planning at this point.

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If the unvaxxed folks are the only ones unsafe, why bother restricting them from any activities? I mean, if the shot works and you don't care what happens to them, who does it hurt besides them? The shot doesn't keep you from spreading COVID, so that arguments out the window. This is purely about control, not safety.

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But see, the unvaccinated can give covid to the vaccinated. Vaccinated don't give it to vaccinated. So everybody must get vaccinated or they are selfish and don't care if they harm someone. I'm pretty sure that's the argument.

BUT, no one is talking about what happens if you force/guilt a person to get a new, untested, unapproved vaccine and that person has a side effect. Apparently, in that case, you shouldn't feel guilty. That seems rather hypocritical.

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Once the FDA issues full approval, You'll likely see more and more unvaccinated folks who want to travel/work/play in large groups have to either get vaccinated or enjoy lots of cotten swabs in nose again and again. That's what I'd do if in that was my responsiblity, and I imagine that is roughly the game plan. And the unvaccinated can get annoyed and criticize on social media all they want, but if you are trying to hit a vaccination/COVID spread target, then you are not trying to win a popularity contest anyways. Some people will hate you but that's your job So you go with some 'stick' instead of 'carrot' and up the testing requirement hassles until a bunch of the unvaccinated folks break.

We'll see how much longer it takes for the FDA approval process to play out.

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I'm not sure what that has to do with what I posted, but okay. Point remains that no one cares if a person has a poor reaction or negative side effect to this vaccine. That's that one person's problem and no one should feel guilty that the person wouldn't be living with this side effect had he not been guilted or forced into the vaccine.. However, they certainly seem concerned over whether a person who isn't vaccinated gives covid to another unvaccinated person. Spoiler: the unvaccinated knows the risk he is taking and doesn't care (clearly) or he would have gotten the vaccine by now.

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Put yourself in the shoes of someone who is having to play a numbers game in a population 330 million. If N percentage of vaccinated people have a notable negative side effect, and Y percentage of people who get COVID have a negative side effect, and it looks like N is less than Y, then you probably are best pushing for a higher vaccinated count in the portion of the unvaccinated who are traveling/working/playing in large groups (you don't care about the portion of the population who is not mingling too much with others either way).

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But we still don't know the long term effects the vaccine carries so we have very little idea of what that N percentage is.

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For as much as the vaccine hesitant crowd claims that their hesitancy is not for political reasons, that thread basically confirms that the reasons are in fact political.

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Vaccine Hesitancy Explained: HIGH risk experimental vaccine vs LOW risk disease

Higher chance of injury or death than the disease

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Pure stupidity.

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No doubt people are turned off by how political the vaccine has become. And no doubt they are turned off by political people pushing the vaccine. And no doubt people distrust many of the political people who are pushing the vaccine. But the distrust isn't necessarily rooted in the politics themselves. We could also discuss WHY there is so much distrust and the possible politics behind it, but that doesn't change the fact that while the issue has become political, that isn't necessarily why the majority of people still unvaccinated have opted to not get the shot.

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We know there is no point getting the vaccine since it was only good against one strain...so it's pointless.

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If you want to leery about longterm effects, go for it. It's reaching since we've been developing these techs for well over a decade and have a pretty good understanding of how they work, but I'll grant that the conclusions aren't ironclad and it's possible we've missed things.

But claiming that they're pointless and don't do anything against delta is straight up bull***** The vaccines are very good at preventing the very worst cases + death; the data screams this. Looking at it and concluding otherwise is either an act of dishonesty or tinfoil hat wearing stupidity.

I'd like to buy that dude a cold one.
Fantastic

thanks for posting, absolutely incredible the influence media has over the script.

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Just the schools? Not the podcasts that are so popular nowadays the are straight out of LA?

Not the tv networks that push subliminal messages in their series?

Not the Disneys, not the MLB, not the NFL, the NBA whose sports heroes kids will look up to?

Not Twitch, Reddit, or any of the gaming culture? Or how about the parents that are supposed to explain and filter?

I'm not sure public schools are what you think they are; a parent has 100x the influence a teacher has over a child's future.

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Odds are those parents went to public schools.

Thanks for proving the point.

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All those words, most vaccinated people perceive those who did not get vaccinated as being swayed by political propaganda, not science/facts. Propaganda that the politicians themselves didn't even follow - Trump, Desantis, etc are all part of a LONG line of republicans who publicly spoke/speak negatively about vaccine and are themselves vaccinated.

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You are absolutely lying and if I actually respected you then I would search for it. Trump, within the past few months, has urged people to take the vax. Look it up, you might learn something.

If you are vaxxed, then why does it concern you that I'm not? I own my own business, don't GAF about traveling and can't be cancelled. I will never take the vax, or my son, as long as it's under EUA.

Until the idiot you voted for stops allowing the walking debt to enter our country infected with covid and then shipping them all over the country, then no one should take the vaccine. There's a hotel on the border that Catholic charities has rented out and it's all covid positive. They are also allowed to go into the public before they're shipped to other states.

Take your jab and move on because I honestly DGAF. I will not take the jab and continue my maskless, unvaccinated life like I've done since the beginning.

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For as much as the vaccine hesitant crowd claims that their hesitancy is not for political reasons, that thread basically confirms that the reasons are in fact political.

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Vaccine Hesitancy Explained: HIGH risk experimental vaccine vs LOW risk disease

Higher chance of injury or death than the disease

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Pure stupidity.

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Ironically, I feel the same about young healthy people rushing out to take a rushed, unapproved vaccine, that the makers are shielded from liability for a virus that has a 99.99% survival rate. I also laugh at young healthy people masked up in public as a WW2, Korean War and Vietnam vet walks past them unmasked. Take the shot, stfu and leave everyone else alone. And before you ask, no, IDGAF if I might infect your vaccinated ass.

Why are you SO angry? Don't be mad at me, I'm pointing out that the Republican Party leadership don't even believe this bull**** they're pushing and many here seem to be all in on that vaccine is bad.

Get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated - I wish you would, but it doesn't occupy a ton of space in my head.

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People are refusing to take the Vaccine because they don't trust his Administration, they don't trust the Election results, and they certainly don't trust the Fake News, which is refusing to tell the Truth.

- Donald Trump

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I believe this is his most recent statement? So pro vaccine you're right. In a moment he could encourage people to get vaccinated he makes it about himself and his bull**** narrative, again.

He's literally pushed the vax the whole time and the news says otherwise every time they speak.

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Why are you SO angry? Don't be mad at me, I'm pointing out that the Republican Party leadership don't even believe this bull**** they're pushing and many here seem to be all in on that vaccine is bad.

Get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated - I wish you would, but it doesn't occupy a ton of space in my head.

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People are refusing to take the Vaccine because they don't trust his Administration, they don't trust the Election results, and they certainly don't trust the Fake News, which is refusing to tell the Truth.

- Donald Trump

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I believe this is his most recent statement? So pro vaccine you're right. In a moment he could encourage people to get vaccinated he makes it about himself and his bull**** narrative, again.

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https://www.newsweek.com/trump-claims-americans-not-taking-covid-vaccine-because-they-dont-trust-president-1612889

Read the article that some left wing dip**** read and took it out of context and get back to us. Like I said before, educate yourself and stop being a lemming.

I'm very comfortable I don't occupy space in your head, as you are irrelevant to me. Take your jab and go away but don't post bull**** that can easily be destroyed because you read it on Facebook.

That is his quote and a whole ass sentence, but whatever you say.

The media is biased and so are trumps own words, that makes sense? No, it's just more ****ty messaging from a guy who lost election because of his poor control of narrative.

Have a good evening.

A Net Full of Jello said:

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Forum Troll said:

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For as much as the vaccine hesitant crowd claims that their hesitancy is not for political reasons, that thread basically confirms that the reasons are in fact political.

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Vaccine Hesitancy Explained: HIGH risk experimental vaccine vs LOW risk disease

Higher chance of injury or death than the disease

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Pure stupidity.

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No doubt people are turned off by how political the vaccine has become. And no doubt they are turned off by political people pushing the vaccine. And no doubt people distrust many of the political people who are pushing the vaccine. But the distrust isn't necessarily rooted in the politics themselves. We could also discuss WHY there is so much distrust and the possible politics behind it, but that doesn't change the fact that while the issue has become political, that isn't necessarily why the majority of people still unvaccinated have opted to not get the shot.

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This topic has begun extremely politicalicized despite it likely that the same government vaccination push and decision logic would be occuring regardless of which political party was sitting in the chairs.

Those are not words of encouragement to get vaccinated.

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That is his quote and a whole ass sentence, but whatever you say.

The media is biased and so are trumps own words, that makes sense? No, it's just more ****ty messaging from a guy who lost election because of his poor control of narrative.

Have a good evening.

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Did you read the whole article I posted? I doubt you did because you're afraid to read the truth. BTW, Newsweek is a liberal rag, so that should give them credence with you. It's not hard to admit you're wrong, hard to swallow, but that's not our problem.

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TXAGFAN said:

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That is his quote and a whole ass sentence, but whatever you say.

The media is biased and so are trumps own words, that makes sense? No, it's just more ****ty messaging from a guy who lost election because of his poor control of narrative.

Have a good evening.

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Did you read the whole article I posted? I doubt you did because you're afraid to read the truth. BTW, Newsweek is a liberal rag, so that should give them credence with you. It's not hard to admit you're wrong, hard to swallow, but that's not our problem.

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Of course I read it, but in a moment he could have been presidential and rose above the covid narrative that cost him the election he went off about media, stolen election, etc.

He literally takes credit for fast tracking the shot every chance he gets.

Interesting data (not peer reviewed yet) on the demographics of vaccine hesitancy

Before I post the study info lets see what the "media" says.

While White adults account for the largest share (57%) of unvaccinated adults

Unvaccinated Americans Whiter, More Republican Than Vaccinated


Now to the data (not peer reviewed)
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1.full-text

The analysis sample includes 5,121,436 survey responses from participants who completed the survey at least once January 6 to May 31, 2021

(Please note obvious bias in the study as one of the metrics is "Trump Supporter")

Independent hesitancy risk factors included younger age, non-Asian race, having a PhD or high school education, living in a rural county, living in a county with higher 2020 Trump support, lack of worry about COVID-19, working outside the home, never intentionally avoiding contact with others, and no past-year flu vaccine. Differences in hesitancy by race/ethnicity varied by age. Almost half of vaccine hesitant respondents reported fear of side effects and not trusting the COVID-19 vaccine; over one-third reported not trusting the government, not needing the vaccine, and waiting to see if safe. Reasons differed by degree of vaccine intent and by race/ethnicity.


The association between hesitancy and education level followed a U-shaped curve with the lowest hesitancy among those with a master's degree (RR=0.75 [95% CI 0.72-0.78] and the highest hesitancy among those with a PhD (RR=2.16 [95%CI 2.05-2.28]) or high school education(RR=1.88 [95%CI 1.83-1.93]) versus a bachelor's degree.



While overall a college education correlates to a lower hesitancy but people holding a PhD are in the most hesitant category. The media is lumping all college education as one metric but there is a definite split.
Also note "wypipo" are right in the middle of the pack.