I know. It's too long.

There are so many more lies, but that's a nice start.

If I was trying to up the vaccination percentage, I've already given up on trying to convince the unvaccinated folks. If you live in the U.S. and haven't gotten the vaccine by this point, you've decided not to get it.

Okay then...just have to wait things out for FDA full approval so it just another established vaccine. Then you are working on making sure a bunch of big organizations like the military, govt., large corporations are throwing out more and more 'Vaccine or lots of frequent testing for you' mandates...and that will probably be that. Would cause a decent increase in the vaccinated count, and whoever is then still left unvaccinated either enjoys doing COVID-19 tests or doesn't work or travel in a situation among a bunch of people that runs them into having to get tested much. So DGAF about those folks anyways. Let them be.

BusterAg said:

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This is a not-good imitation of the "why some voters believe there was fraud" twitter thread.

That thread was better. It went viral for a reason.

The reality about not getting the vaccine:

1) Many people have gotten sick with COVID.
2) People who get sick with COVID develop antibodies, and T-Cell memory to the disease, providing some immunity.
3) The vaccine will help you to develop antibodies, and T-Cell memory to the disease, providing some immunity.
4) There is nothing that the vaccine will do for you that recovering from COVID hasn't already done.
5) The vaccines can make you sick, even if you have already recovered from the illness.

If you have recovered from the virus, here is the analysis on getting the vaccine:

Pros:
You get to virtue signal or NONE, if you are not a leftist and don't care about such things

Cons:
You might experience short term symptoms
The long-term risks of the vaccine are not explored
The vaccines are not FDA approved but also know that Big Pharma Bribes FDA Regulators to Approve Deadly Drugs
The makers of the vaccines are shielded from liability
Higher chance of injury or death than the disease

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As you can see, if you don't value virtue signaling, the choice is crystal clear.

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FIFY

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If I was trying to up the vaccination percentage, I've already given up on trying to convince the unvaccinated folks. If you live in the U.S. and haven't gotten the vaccine by this point, you've decided not to get it.

Okay then...just have to wait things out for FDA full approval so it just another established vaccine. Then you are working on making sure a bunch of big organizations like the military, govt., large corporations are throwing out more and more 'Vaccine or lots of frequent testing for you' mandates...and that will probably be that. Would cause a decent increase in the vaccinated count, and whoever is then still left unvaccinated either enjoys doing COVID-19 tests or doesn't work or travel in a situation among a bunch of people that runs them into having to get tested much. So DGAF about those folks anyways. Let them be.

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I agree with this part.

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damiond said:

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Vaccine Hesitancy Explained: HIGH risk experimental vaccine vs LOW risk disease

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FYI, this is a lie.

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Awesome job of laying out your stance and backing it with facts and analysis.

I am a healthy male and I believe Covid to be low risk. Matter of fact, when I contracted Covid I had the sniffles for 12 hours and a 99.5 degree fever. I watched my neighbors get sick for 3 days when they took the vaccine. There have been no studies on the vaccine beyond the 7-8 months it has been in action. We do not know the long term effects of the vaccines, specifically the vaccines that alter RNA, which is experimental at best.

Damn good thread

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If I was trying to up the vaccination percentage, I've already given up on trying to convince the unvaccinated folks. If you live in the U.S. and haven't gotten the vaccine by this point, you've decided not to get it.

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at this point there are maybe 10-20% of people still in the "wait and see" camp. supposedly full FDA approval and vaccine requirements for travel are the two developments that would be most persuasive to this group to push them over the edge. i have my doubts about the former, and obviously the latter is pretty problematic.

Old McDonald said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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If I was trying to up the vaccination percentage, I've already given up on trying to convince the unvaccinated folks. If you live in the U.S. and haven't gotten the vaccine by this point, you've decided not to get it.

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at this point there are maybe 10-20% of people still in the "wait and see" camp. supposedly full FDA approval and vaccine requirements for travel are the two developments that would be most persuasive to this group to push them over the edge. i have my doubts about the former, and obviously the latter is pretty problematic.

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Mandatory vaccinations to do certain things or perform certain jobs has between around a long long time. Once COVID-19 vaccines join the rest of the more established vaccines (which needs the FDA full approval to play out), then okey dokey, entered a new phase of the ball game.

I wouldn't even bother, if I was in charge of the vaccination program, to try to communicate much to the anti-vaxxer crowd at this point. I get it. Don't want to get vaccinated. Don't really care at this point, got to move on to the next step to get my job done which means just focusing on:

1) FDA full appoval then...
2) Get vaccinated or have fun getting tested A LOT in situations that involve travel/work/play around a bunch of other people. If you don't travel/work/play around a bunch of people, then don't care about you anyways. The sedentary/introverted/self-isolated folks are not part of my problem. But if you DO like to mingle a lot in society, well, I'm going to make unvaccinated life a bit more annoying for you and test how much you REALLY are anti-vaccine.

That's what I would do. And I suspect...my take may not be far off from what the real folks are planning at this point.

Pumpkinhead said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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If I was trying to up the vaccination percentage, I've already given up on trying to convince the unvaccinated folks. If you live in the U.S. and haven't gotten the vaccine by this point, you've decided not to get it.

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at this point there are maybe 10-20% of people still in the "wait and see" camp. supposedly full FDA approval and vaccine requirements for travel are the two developments that would be most persuasive to this group to push them over the edge. i have my doubts about the former, and obviously the latter is pretty problematic.

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Mandatory vaccinations to do certain things or perform certain jobs has between around a long long time. Once COVID-19 vaccines join the rest of the more established vaccines (which needs the FDA full approval to play out), then okey dokey, entered a new phase of the ball game.

I wouldn't even bother, if I was in charge of the vaccination program, to try to communicate much to the anti-vaxxer crowd at this point. I get it. Don't want to get vaccinated. Don't really care at this point, got to move on to the next step to get my job done which means just focusing on:

1) FDA full appoval then...
2) Get vaccinated or have fun getting tested A LOT in situations that involve travel/work/play around a bunch of other people. If you don't travel/work/play around a bunch of people, then don't care about you anyways. The sedentary/introverted/self-isolated folks are not part of my problem. But if you DO like to mingle a lot in society, well, I'm going to make unvaccinated life a bit more annoying for you and test how much you REALLY are anti-vaccine.

That's what I would do. And I suspect...my take may not be far off from what the real folks are planning at this point.

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If the unvaxxed folks are the only ones unsafe, why bother restricting them from any activities? I mean, if the shot works and you don't care what happens to them, who does it hurt besides them? The shot doesn't keep you from spreading COVID, so that arguments out the window. This is purely about control, not safety.

SociallyConditionedAg said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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If I was trying to up the vaccination percentage, I've already given up on trying to convince the unvaccinated folks. If you live in the U.S. and haven't gotten the vaccine by this point, you've decided not to get it.

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at this point there are maybe 10-20% of people still in the "wait and see" camp. supposedly full FDA approval and vaccine requirements for travel are the two developments that would be most persuasive to this group to push them over the edge. i have my doubts about the former, and obviously the latter is pretty problematic.

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Mandatory vaccinations to do certain things or perform certain jobs has between around a long long time. Once COVID-19 vaccines join the rest of the more established vaccines (which needs the FDA full approval to play out), then okey dokey, entered a new phase of the ball game.

I wouldn't even bother, if I was in charge of the vaccination program, to try to communicate much to the anti-vaxxer crowd at this point. I get it. Don't want to get vaccinated. Don't really care at this point, got to move on to the next step to get my job done which means just focusing on:

1) FDA full appoval then...
2) Get vaccinated or have fun getting tested A LOT in situations that involve travel/work/play around a bunch of other people. If you don't travel/work/play around a bunch of people, then don't care about you anyways. The sedentary/introverted/self-isolated folks are not part of my problem. But if you DO like to mingle a lot in society, well, I'm going to make unvaccinated life a bit more annoying for you and test how much you REALLY are anti-vaccine.

That's what I would do. And I suspect...my take may not be far off from what the real folks are planning at this point.

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If the unvaxxed folks are the only ones unsafe, why bother restricting them from any activities? I mean, if the shot works and you don't care what happens to them, who does it hurt besides them? The shot doesn't keep you from spreading COVID, so that arguments out the window. This is purely about control, not safety.

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You don't restrict them from doing anything. You just create a situation where they are forced to stick a cotten swab up their noses over and over and over and over again...and you let them decide whether they'd rather get vaccinated than put up with all the testing hassle. That's all. Just a squeezing of the unvaccinated folks with a bunch of annoying testing rules and count on a significant percentage of them relenting and saying 'okay, fine. I'll get vaccinated'.

But probably you wont see the above strategy really start kicking in until FDA full approval.

That was incredible.

****!

I hate TwitterBookSpaceGram

All this BS over a weakass virus. I blame public schools

All those words, most vaccinated people perceive those who did not get vaccinated as being swayed by political propaganda, not science/facts. Propaganda that the politicians themselves didn't even follow - Trump, Desantis, etc are all part of a LONG line of republicans who publicly spoke/speak negatively about vaccine and are themselves vaccinated.

I think there is a good chance that if the deep staters dont get much higher vaccination numbers, they'll release a more deadly virus to force the issue. I also expect that if they DO get a large majority to vaccinate, the narrative will shift to focus on using the power of the state to bully the remaining holdouts or exclude them from travel, commerce, etc.

Just the schools? Not the podcasts that are so popular nowadays the are straight out of LA?

Not the tv networks that push subliminal messages in their series?

Not the Disneys, not the MLB, not the NFL, the NBA whose sports heroes kids will look up to?

Not Twitch, Reddit, or any of the gaming culture? Or how about the parents that are supposed to explain and filter?

I'm not sure public schools are what you think they are; a parent has 100x the influence a teacher has over a child's future.

SociallyConditionedAg said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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If I was trying to up the vaccination percentage, I've already given up on trying to convince the unvaccinated folks. If you live in the U.S. and haven't gotten the vaccine by this point, you've decided not to get it.

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at this point there are maybe 10-20% of people still in the "wait and see" camp. supposedly full FDA approval and vaccine requirements for travel are the two developments that would be most persuasive to this group to push them over the edge. i have my doubts about the former, and obviously the latter is pretty problematic.

---

Mandatory vaccinations to do certain things or perform certain jobs has between around a long long time. Once COVID-19 vaccines join the rest of the more established vaccines (which needs the FDA full approval to play out), then okey dokey, entered a new phase of the ball game.

I wouldn't even bother, if I was in charge of the vaccination program, to try to communicate much to the anti-vaxxer crowd at this point. I get it. Don't want to get vaccinated. Don't really care at this point, got to move on to the next step to get my job done which means just focusing on:

1) FDA full appoval then...
2) Get vaccinated or have fun getting tested A LOT in situations that involve travel/work/play around a bunch of other people. If you don't travel/work/play around a bunch of people, then don't care about you anyways. The sedentary/introverted/self-isolated folks are not part of my problem. But if you DO like to mingle a lot in society, well, I'm going to make unvaccinated life a bit more annoying for you and test how much you REALLY are anti-vaccine.

That's what I would do. And I suspect...my take may not be far off from what the real folks are planning at this point.

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If the unvaxxed folks are the only ones unsafe, why bother restricting them from any activities? I mean, if the shot works and you don't care what happens to them, who does it hurt besides them? The shot doesn't keep you from spreading COVID, so that arguments out the window. This is purely about control, not safety.

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But see, the unvaccinated can give covid to the vaccinated. Vaccinated don't give it to vaccinated. So everybody must get vaccinated or they are selfish and don't care if they harm someone. I'm pretty sure that's the argument.

BUT, no one is talking about what happens if you force/guilt a person to get a new, untested, unapproved vaccine and that person has a side effect. Apparently, in that case, you shouldn't feel guilty. That seems rather hypocritical.

Ag$08 said:

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Ag$08 said:

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Well, it's Groundhog Day. Again.

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No facts. No evidence. Ever. Just spam posting. Terrible troll

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Another lie. I've posted and answered these same questions several times.

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It does not work very well against Delta and probably other variants.


And it's experimental.....

Pumpkinhead said:

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SociallyConditionedAg said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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If I was trying to up the vaccination percentage, I've already given up on trying to convince the unvaccinated folks. If you live in the U.S. and haven't gotten the vaccine by this point, you've decided not to get it.

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at this point there are maybe 10-20% of people still in the "wait and see" camp. supposedly full FDA approval and vaccine requirements for travel are the two developments that would be most persuasive to this group to push them over the edge. i have my doubts about the former, and obviously the latter is pretty problematic.

---

Mandatory vaccinations to do certain things or perform certain jobs has between around a long long time. Once COVID-19 vaccines join the rest of the more established vaccines (which needs the FDA full approval to play out), then okey dokey, entered a new phase of the ball game.

I wouldn't even bother, if I was in charge of the vaccination program, to try to communicate much to the anti-vaxxer crowd at this point. I get it. Don't want to get vaccinated. Don't really care at this point, got to move on to the next step to get my job done which means just focusing on:

1) FDA full appoval then...
2) Get vaccinated or have fun getting tested A LOT in situations that involve travel/work/play around a bunch of other people. If you don't travel/work/play around a bunch of people, then don't care about you anyways. The sedentary/introverted/self-isolated folks are not part of my problem. But if you DO like to mingle a lot in society, well, I'm going to make unvaccinated life a bit more annoying for you and test how much you REALLY are anti-vaccine.

That's what I would do. And I suspect...my take may not be far off from what the real folks are planning at this point.

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If the unvaxxed folks are the only ones unsafe, why bother restricting them from any activities? I mean, if the shot works and you don't care what happens to them, who does it hurt besides them? The shot doesn't keep you from spreading COVID, so that arguments out the window. This is purely about control, not safety.

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You don't restrict them from doing anything. You just create a situation where they are forced to stick a cotten swab up their noses over and over and over and over again...and you let them decide whether they'd rather get vaccinated than put up with all the testing hassle. That's all. Just a squeezing of the unvaccinated folks with a bunch of annoying testing rules and count on a significant percentage of them relenting and saying 'okay, fine. I'll get vaccinated'.

But probably you wont see the above strategy really start kicking in until FDA full approval.

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You're proving my point. The unvaxxed are only a 'danger' to themselves, so the only reason to harass them is for control. If you didn't care, you'd just leave them alone and let them risk a virus with only a 99.9% survivability rate.

A Net Full of Jello said:

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SociallyConditionedAg said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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If I was trying to up the vaccination percentage, I've already given up on trying to convince the unvaccinated folks. If you live in the U.S. and haven't gotten the vaccine by this point, you've decided not to get it.

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at this point there are maybe 10-20% of people still in the "wait and see" camp. supposedly full FDA approval and vaccine requirements for travel are the two developments that would be most persuasive to this group to push them over the edge. i have my doubts about the former, and obviously the latter is pretty problematic.

---

Mandatory vaccinations to do certain things or perform certain jobs has between around a long long time. Once COVID-19 vaccines join the rest of the more established vaccines (which needs the FDA full approval to play out), then okey dokey, entered a new phase of the ball game.

I wouldn't even bother, if I was in charge of the vaccination program, to try to communicate much to the anti-vaxxer crowd at this point. I get it. Don't want to get vaccinated. Don't really care at this point, got to move on to the next step to get my job done which means just focusing on:

1) FDA full appoval then...
2) Get vaccinated or have fun getting tested A LOT in situations that involve travel/work/play around a bunch of other people. If you don't travel/work/play around a bunch of people, then don't care about you anyways. The sedentary/introverted/self-isolated folks are not part of my problem. But if you DO like to mingle a lot in society, well, I'm going to make unvaccinated life a bit more annoying for you and test how much you REALLY are anti-vaccine.

That's what I would do. And I suspect...my take may not be far off from what the real folks are planning at this point.

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If the unvaxxed folks are the only ones unsafe, why bother restricting them from any activities? I mean, if the shot works and you don't care what happens to them, who does it hurt besides them? The shot doesn't keep you from spreading COVID, so that arguments out the window. This is purely about control, not safety.

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But see, the unvaccinated can give covid to the vaccinated. Vaccinated don't give it to vaccinated. So everybody must get vaccinated or they are selfish and don't care if they harm someone. I'm pretty sure that's the argument.

BUT, no one is talking about what happens if you force/guilt a person to get a new, untested, unapproved vaccine and that person has a side effect. Apparently, in that case, you shouldn't feel guilty. That seems rather hypocritical.

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Once the FDA issues full approval, You'll likely see more and more unvaccinated folks who want to travel/work/play in large groups have to either get vaccinated or enjoy lots of cotten swabs in nose again and again. That's what I'd do if in that was my responsiblity, and I imagine that is roughly the game plan. And the unvaccinated can get annoyed and criticize on social media all they want, but if you are trying to hit a vaccination/COVID spread target, then you are not trying to win a popularity contest anyways. Some people will hate you but that's your job So you go with some 'stick' instead of 'carrot' and up the testing requirement hassles until a bunch of the unvaccinated folks break.

We'll see how much longer it takes for the FDA approval process to play out.

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All those words, most vaccinated people perceive those who did not get vaccinated as being swayed by political propaganda, not science/facts. Propaganda that the politicians themselves didn't even follow - Trump, Desantis, etc are all part of a LONG line of republicans who publicly spoke/speak negatively about vaccine and are themselves vaccinated.

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We know there is no point getting the vaccine since it was only good against one strain...so it's pointless. Also, the virus is weak anyway, so....

SociallyConditionedAg said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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SociallyConditionedAg said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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If I was trying to up the vaccination percentage, I've already given up on trying to convince the unvaccinated folks. If you live in the U.S. and haven't gotten the vaccine by this point, you've decided not to get it.

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at this point there are maybe 10-20% of people still in the "wait and see" camp. supposedly full FDA approval and vaccine requirements for travel are the two developments that would be most persuasive to this group to push them over the edge. i have my doubts about the former, and obviously the latter is pretty problematic.

---

Mandatory vaccinations to do certain things or perform certain jobs has between around a long long time. Once COVID-19 vaccines join the rest of the more established vaccines (which needs the FDA full approval to play out), then okey dokey, entered a new phase of the ball game.

I wouldn't even bother, if I was in charge of the vaccination program, to try to communicate much to the anti-vaxxer crowd at this point. I get it. Don't want to get vaccinated. Don't really care at this point, got to move on to the next step to get my job done which means just focusing on:

1) FDA full appoval then...
2) Get vaccinated or have fun getting tested A LOT in situations that involve travel/work/play around a bunch of other people. If you don't travel/work/play around a bunch of people, then don't care about you anyways. The sedentary/introverted/self-isolated folks are not part of my problem. But if you DO like to mingle a lot in society, well, I'm going to make unvaccinated life a bit more annoying for you and test how much you REALLY are anti-vaccine.

That's what I would do. And I suspect...my take may not be far off from what the real folks are planning at this point.

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If the unvaxxed folks are the only ones unsafe, why bother restricting them from any activities? I mean, if the shot works and you don't care what happens to them, who does it hurt besides them? The shot doesn't keep you from spreading COVID, so that arguments out the window. This is purely about control, not safety.

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You don't restrict them from doing anything. You just create a situation where they are forced to stick a cotten swab up their noses over and over and over and over again...and you let them decide whether they'd rather get vaccinated than put up with all the testing hassle. That's all. Just a squeezing of the unvaccinated folks with a bunch of annoying testing rules and count on a significant percentage of them relenting and saying 'okay, fine. I'll get vaccinated'.

But probably you wont see the above strategy really start kicking in until FDA full approval.

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You're proving my point. The unvaxxed are only a 'danger' to themselves, so the only reason to harass them is for control. If you didn't care, you'd just leave them alone and let them risk a virus with only a 99.9% survivability rate.

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It's actually higher than that.

Pumpkinhead said:

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A Net Full of Jello said:

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SociallyConditionedAg said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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If I was trying to up the vaccination percentage, I've already given up on trying to convince the unvaccinated folks. If you live in the U.S. and haven't gotten the vaccine by this point, you've decided not to get it.

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at this point there are maybe 10-20% of people still in the "wait and see" camp. supposedly full FDA approval and vaccine requirements for travel are the two developments that would be most persuasive to this group to push them over the edge. i have my doubts about the former, and obviously the latter is pretty problematic.

---

Mandatory vaccinations to do certain things or perform certain jobs has between around a long long time. Once COVID-19 vaccines join the rest of the more established vaccines (which needs the FDA full approval to play out), then okey dokey, entered a new phase of the ball game.

I wouldn't even bother, if I was in charge of the vaccination program, to try to communicate much to the anti-vaxxer crowd at this point. I get it. Don't want to get vaccinated. Don't really care at this point, got to move on to the next step to get my job done which means just focusing on:

1) FDA full appoval then...
2) Get vaccinated or have fun getting tested A LOT in situations that involve travel/work/play around a bunch of other people. If you don't travel/work/play around a bunch of people, then don't care about you anyways. The sedentary/introverted/self-isolated folks are not part of my problem. But if you DO like to mingle a lot in society, well, I'm going to make unvaccinated life a bit more annoying for you and test how much you REALLY are anti-vaccine.

That's what I would do. And I suspect...my take may not be far off from what the real folks are planning at this point.

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If the unvaxxed folks are the only ones unsafe, why bother restricting them from any activities? I mean, if the shot works and you don't care what happens to them, who does it hurt besides them? The shot doesn't keep you from spreading COVID, so that arguments out the window. This is purely about control, not safety.

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But see, the unvaccinated can give covid to the vaccinated. Vaccinated don't give it to vaccinated. So everybody must get vaccinated or they are selfish and don't care if they harm someone. I'm pretty sure that's the argument.

BUT, no one is talking about what happens if you force/guilt a person to get a new, untested, unapproved vaccine and that person has a side effect. Apparently, in that case, you shouldn't feel guilty. That seems rather hypocritical.

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Once the FDA issues full approval, You'll likely see more and more unvaccinated folks who want to travel/work/play in large groups have to either get vaccinated or enjoy lots of cotten swabs in nose again and again. That's what I'd do if in that was my responsiblity, and I imagine that is roughly the game plan. And the unvaccinated can get annoyed and criticize on social media all they want, but if you are trying to hit a vaccination/COVID spread target, then you are not trying to win a popularity contest anyways. Some people will hate you but that's your job So you go with some 'stick' instead of 'carrot' and up the testing requirement hassles until a bunch of the unvaccinated folks break.

We'll see how much longer it takes for the FDA approval process to play out.

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I'm not sure what that has to do with what I posted, but okay. Point remains that no one cares if a person has a poor reaction or negative side effect to this vaccine. That's that one person's problem and no one should feel guilty that the person wouldn't be living with this side effect had he not been guilted or forced into the vaccine.. However, they certainly seem concerned over whether a person who isn't vaccinated gives covid to another unvaccinated person. Spoiler: the unvaccinated knows the risk he is taking and doesn't care (clearly) or he would have gotten the vaccine by now.